hum from speakers

agco
agco Posts: 36
edited December 2011 in Troubleshooting
Need a little help with a problem. Theres a slight hum thats not noticable when playing music but when you mute the remote you can here it in the speakers or between songs when you know what to listen for. This amp does have a hum to it with everything turned off. Is this normal? It sounds good just when you discover this you know its there.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,551
    edited December 2011
    Is it a hum or a hiss? Is this in your HT rig or a 2 channel rig?
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  • agco
    agco Posts: 36
    edited December 2011
    The amp seems to hum but listen up to the speakers it does seem kind of like a hissing noise it is in my ht system.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,551
    edited December 2011
    A slight hiss from the tweeters when you are up close (say 6") to them should be considered normal. If you can hear it from your seat, not normal. The hum from your amp is probably not normal, but I don't know your amp.
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  • agco
    agco Posts: 36
    edited December 2011
    just checked out a little closer and just had the amp turned on and it makes just a slight hum you half to get down close to it with your ear to hear it. but it seems more pronounced through the speakers. Not overbearing its just you notice it if you listen for it. You can hear it from the seating position when you listen for it or hit the mute.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,962
    edited December 2011
    Ground loop.......
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  • agco
    agco Posts: 36
    edited December 2011
    What do you do for ground loop.
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,759
    edited December 2011
    agco wrote: »
    What do you do for ground loop.

    Cheater plug on your amp.
  • agco
    agco Posts: 36
    edited December 2011
    I it does have a hissing noise comeing from the tweeter area. The amp doesnt. I guess its just normal maybe listening a little to closely. I was looking at a ps audio humbuster I wonder if that may help i have had this monster surge protecter for quite a while maybe its time. Thanks for the help fellows
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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,603
    edited December 2011
    I was gonna ask if you had an DVR.
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  • agco
    agco Posts: 36
    edited December 2011
    no I dont just blue ray and cable. Its a little more pronounced throuh my cable not much. But i do know it is coming through the tweeter. Kind of like a buzzing noise.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2011
    Sometimes amps have a transformer that makes a slightly audible noise if you are close to it. However, it is a mechanical noise that comes from the amp, and does not come out the speaker. Hiss can be normal for some amps if the volume is cranked up.
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  • agco
    agco Posts: 36
    edited December 2011
    The hissing from my speakers stays at very low noise leval and i do hear it up close. when i do increase the sound leval the hissing noise does not grow louder. Its low enough noise leval when playing music you do not notice it. It must be just the nature of the amp and it increase through the speaker. The amp without anything but being powered up is pretty quiet I thought the sound was coming more from the amp but it is the speakers. Just a little concerned by the noise that was coming out of the tweeter which apparently is normal. I never had this problem before but this is the first amp that i have added to my ht system. thanks
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,962
    edited December 2011
    Could also be a bad cable, IC, to the amp. Personally speaking, I've never had a SS amp that hummed or hissed that wasn't from a ground loop or bad cable. Never a characteristic of the amp itself though it is possible.Cheater plug and /or try different cables, thats the easiest thing to try first, and the cheapest.
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  • BeefJerky
    BeefJerky Posts: 1,320
    edited December 2011
    agco wrote: »
    no I dont just blue ray and cable. Its a little more pronounced throuh my cable not much. But i do know it is coming through the tweeter. Kind of like a buzzing noise.
    I think it probably is a ground loop with your cable based on you saying it is more pronounced when watching cable. This occurs because your cable line is grounded to a different part of the ground than your power line. If it is a ground loop due to that, you will need one of these:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jensen-Transformers-VRD-1FF-Cable-TV-Ground-Isolator-/360191526561?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53dd1686a1

    This is what I use and it completely eliminates the hum, and does not degrade the signal or cause you to lose channels.
  • agco
    agco Posts: 36
    edited December 2011
    When I do switch from my cable input to my blue ray it does stop the hissing noise. still has slight hum not very noticable though. I think im going to try this isolator. I do have a monster hts700 for my surge protecter so i think im going to look for a power conditioner to add on there. Thanks for the help i think this should do it.
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  • BeefJerky
    BeefJerky Posts: 1,320
    edited December 2011
    Here's a quick thing to try. When on the blu-ray input, unplug your cable line from the wall and see if the hum goes away. That will tell you quickly if that is the problem or not. Sorry I didn't think to suggest that last night.
  • agco
    agco Posts: 36
    edited December 2011
    Thanks for that advice beefjerky. I did find what the buzzing or hissing was. I am on dish network and i had an hdmi upconverter hooked up which helped out my audio when listening to cable when I disconnected it the hissing through the tweeters stoped. The plug on the converter outlet only has two prongs instead of three. So that problem is solved. The amp itself runing if you get down close has a slight hum it sounds normal to me it seems pretty quiet. There is a hum in the speakers though not much. When increase the volume it doesnt get louder it stays the same.
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    sony bdp s-270
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  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited December 2011
    I do not know if we have the same problem ,but it seems that they are similar.I run a Yamaha RX-V665 through Klipsch smalls and a host of sources.I have a pronouned hum when all is plugged in ,the minute I unplug the HDMI cable in the out port on the Yamaha all the hum is gone. I think the only reason I run an out is to pick up the on-screen YPAO so that stays unplugged if and until I need the on screen function,since my system seems to calibrated to where I am satisfied I do not need that feature continually.I run all my sources through both systems but through process of elimination so far this is the only cause and effect that I can come up with.I have not tried the so called "cheater plug" which is easy enough to do.Alsoit definately a hum and not hiss.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,962
    edited December 2011
    Try the cheater plug, it works. Could also be a bad cable somwhere in the mix.
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  • agco
    agco Posts: 36
    edited December 2011
    Thanks I did get the problem solved to my liking. I changed the ic first off couldnt tell much difference. I put a new panamax 4300 power box in instead of my old monster surge protecter that i had. Made a big difference. Another thing that i did was change out my speaker wire on the front with some 11awg wire. Never thought speaker wire could make a difference in the sound but it does. It made the base better imo.
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