The AUDIOPHILES

torero

I wanted to have your opinion about the characteristics of the so-called Audiophiles...We know that those with special interest in the high-fidelity music and who invest a lot in collection and listening to old,new music are usually called audiophiles.

Literally it means someone who likes(-phile) music(audio)

They have some common habits such as devoting so much time on tweaking the gear and paying so much for the accessories as well.

They seem to like analog music for sure and hate the digital-although there are a significant number of pro-digital audiophiles nowadays-, but in general they hate BOSE more than digital music..lol

The music industry seems to rely on their opinion too much on the magazines,review websites,etc...

However,I do believe that music is something subjective and if someone loves the digital music,they should enjoy it...If somebody loves the sound of BOSE or any other equipment,bashing them is not the right thing..

Again,why is it that we should conform or accept the standards that are created by the audiophiles...Isnt the music that is heard by each individual unique to them?

Cheers!!

inspiredsports

Whatever

cfrizz

Absolutely Torero. Music is a very personal choice and no one can set absolutes about it. But you know how human nature is. Some people just have to try to be superior to everyone else, or convert everyone to their way of thinking.

Enjoy your system and music!

TECHNOKID

cfrizz wrote: »

Absolutely Torero. Music is a very personal choice and no one can set absolutes about it. But you know how human nature is. Some people just have to try to be superior to everyone else, or convert everyone to their way of thinking.

Enjoy your system and music!

Great post, couldn't said it better. Some simply think they have the absolute thruth...

cnh

"The Audiophiles". And here, I thought this was going to be a thread about a cool new reality TV show starring a team of Audio Geeks who visit peoples houses, rip out their stereos and "upgrade" everything! lol

Do I hear "Pilot"??


cnh

brgman

So you work for BOSE huh?

Toolfan66

So no one should have a bad opinion about any gear at all??

gdb

Wait for H9's proclamation.......

decal

Again,why is it that we should conform or accept the standards that are created by the audiophiles...Isnt the music that is heard by each individual unique to them?

Is someone forcing you to conform? Why are you even concerned about this? Maybe I just don't understand the message you're trying to convey.

Toolfan66

gdb wrote: »

Wait for H9's proclamation.......

Our Jesus of the audio forum

TECHNOKID

cnh wrote: »

"The Audiophiles". And here, I thought this was going to be a thread about a cool new reality TV show starring a team of Audio Geeks who visit peoples houses, rip out their stereos and "upgrade" everything! lol

cnh

Someone's really in the Cristmas spirit, alright! :cool:

dudeinaroom

I only can say this about the speaks mentioned above Buy Other Speakers Elsewhere. I am not an audiopile, but I do enjoy music more when it sounds right.

dorokusai

I am an audiophile.

BlueFox

torero wrote: »

Again,why is it that we should conform or accept the standards that are created by the audiophiles...

What standards are you talking about? Can we have some links to these "standards", or are these the standards that exist in your mind?

Syndil

I was expecting to see a pitch for sitcom in this thread.

EndersShadow

I am the 1%....... oops wrong thread lol

torero

cfrizz wrote: »

Absolutely Torero. Music is a very personal choice and no one can set absolutes about it. But you know how human nature is. Some people just have to try to be superior to everyone else, or convert everyone to their way of thinking.

Enjoy your system and music!

That was exactly my point..Unique choices that we have...

On the other hand,anyone can benefit from the broad knowledge of an audiophile when it comes to equipment or collection..

But i believe that the choices should be respected...Thats all..

i never owned a BOSE equipment in my life other than a set of headphones...They seem to do well...I enjoy listening to music on my ipod with them..

I also own POLK speakers and ROTEL gear and I love them....

Toolfan66

I hate this place because of all the disrespect because of people's gear choices.

A cable thread will give you a bigger flame as this one won't get started..

decal

You have made up your mind what you like or dislike, that's all that should matter. Why do you even care what someone else does or says?

inspiredsports

gdb wrote: »

Wait for H9's proclamation.......

What is your major problem? Put up for adoption at birth or something?

dorokusai

Toolfan66 wrote: »

I hate this place because of all the disrespect because of people's gear choices.

A cable thread will give you a bigger flame as this one won't get started..

Agreed. I'm not sure why it became so lame to own cheap gear or stuff that isn't considered high-end. It's not like anyone here walked into a 5K CDP without owning 50 POS CDP's previously. The attitude towards ownership sucks and ragging on folks for just starting out is lame.

MillerLiteScott

I have a Stereophile T-shirt:)

cfrizz

Thank you Mark, I totally agree. You are about the only longtime member on here that doesn't sneer at newbies working on limited budgets and wanting to get the best bang for their buck.

dorokusai wrote: »

Agreed. I'm not sure why it became so lame to own cheap gear or stuff that isn't considered high-end. It's not like anyone here walked into a 5K CDP without owning 50 POS CDP's previously. The attitude towards ownership sucks and ragging on folks for just starting out is lame.

shack

cfrizz wrote:

Thank you Mark, I totally agree. You are about the only longtime member on here that doesn't sneer at newbies working on limited budgets and wanting to get the best bang for their buck.

Sorry Cathy...but this is total BS.

It is just as often the other way around. The folks that have migrated to higher end gear (including cables and other tweeks) have constantly taken crap about buying into voodoo and snakeoil and being stuck-up about their gear by newcomers that want to waltz in hear and impress everyone with their "knowledge and insight". Many "longtime members" have tried to help by making recommendations of gear based on their experience and have been blasted for being snobs and audiophiles (simillar to your comment about sneering). It seems that the mere fact that you have high end gear and value the performace of it makes you a snob. Gear envy maybe?

Many of those folks no longer post here...especially about gear...for that very reason. And CP is much poorer for it IMO.

gdb

inspiredsports wrote: »

What is your major problem? Put up for adoption at birth or something?

I've never had a problem with pure amusement, you kinda funny too.

gdb

Keiko wrote: »

No, he was just born a giant dbag.

Nice to hear from you ! How've you been ?

gdb

Yeah everything is cool with most folks here unless you own/like Carver gear or Bose. In that case, you're a hopeless, clueless wretch who can't possibly understand the "it" about music appreciation. Whenever it becomes more about the gear than the music, you're already lost IMO. I learned to love music on the crappiest flip down-fold out stereo record player Sears ever made. and to me, it was the greatest thing in the world. Always endeavor to glimpse the forest through the trees.

EndersShadow

gdb wrote: »

Yeah everything is cool with most folks here unless you own/like Carver gear or Bose.

Just Bose lol ... I know lots of folks with Carver gear (myself included) on this forum.......

newrival

Toolfan66 wrote: »

Our Jesus of the audio forum

Or the Jim Jones of it, depending on how you view it :cheesygrin:

Edit: was hoping I wouldnt have to qualify this as a joke, as I thought it would be obvious. Aparantly not. Perhaps it lends credibility to the original statement

Rivrrat

I don't care if someone has a better system than me, I don't care if someone doesn't approve of what I have, all I care about is whether or not I'm happy with my system. It's about getting happy with your system and just enjoying what you have.

I will admit it is pretty cool when the uninitiated listen and go "Oh my God, how much will it cost to do that at my place"

cfrizz

No it's not BS Shack, If a newbie comes on here asking about an Emotiva amp, the "audiophiles" immediately tell them to look elsewhere for something "better." Now if they could afford something better without having to buy used, they probably would.

It took me quite a while to get comfortable buying used gear, but I don't make the assumption that everyone is comfortable doing so. Some prefer to have warranty etc.

You can pretty much tell when they list their gear, what they are looking to achieve and at what price, and to suggest that a peice of gear that is in that price range is not good enough when in fact it is a perfect launch point for someone just starting out and will sound a hellava lot better than what they have now is just plain wrong.

When I first came on here, everyone was into "man amps", Outlaw, & SVS subs. Then it seems like over-night everyone was into tubes, and vinyl, and started looking down at everything else CONVENIENTLY forgetting where they all started out at.

The reviews of the LSIm series has been a perfect example of this. As is true of the old LSIs, the gear needs to be a bit better than what you will pick up at Best Buy, but it doesn't need to be as expensive and eosoteric as some of you have suggested and to not even bother looking at the speakers if that's all you have to offer.

This kind of attitude will NOT sell many speakers to a newbie coming on here looking for advice. And I think it is the wrong message to send.

My electronics (price wise) totally outstrip the value of my almost 22 year old Polk RTA-8T's, but those electronics have made my speakers sound better than when I was just running them with a 50wpc Rotel, or a 110wpc Denon receiver. But it took time, and a bigger salary before I could find that out. And it didn't stop me from enjoying what I had back then, well over 15 years without an upgrade.

I try to never forget where I started out at, and while I encourage newbies to start in the middle of the road, I try to keep in mind that not everyone can. But I will never encourage a newbie to start all the way at the top when it is clear that they more than likely can't afford it.

I will always encourage them to get the best that they can afford, buy solid (usually mid range/price) gear that has a good reputation, (yes this does include Emotiva whether you like it or not.) Then sit back and just enjoy what you have worked so hard at to put together.

If some people have left the board because they can no longer stomach advising newbies to get what they think is low class gear, then I'd say the club is better off without them since all they would do is alienate newbies just starting out that have limited budgets.

If that knowledge cannot be adjusted to take into consideration the newbies starting point without an attitude, then they don't need to hear it.

Like it or not, Polk is a middle of the road company, that puts out exceptionally well made gear that just sounds better as you go up the ladder with better gear. Most people coming on here are middle of the road users just looking to put together a HT system that won't bankrupt them in the process.