Am I the only one who doesnt listen to classical and Jazz often?
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falconcry72 wrote: »Are you f**cking kidding me? How can you say this, but then say that Jazz and Classical are for ****-sniffing Prius-driving snobs??? Jazz is The United States of America's greatest contribution to music. Period. Classical is the heart of all Western music. No modern rock, country, R&B or other pop music would exist without Classical. All of your favorite rock songs are based on Classical music theory.
Bush?! Really?! You've got to be f**king kidding me. Linkin Park?! Jesus effing Christ.
OK. rant over. Sorry to be harsh, I really don't dislike you or your music at all. I mainly listen to classic rock myself, but I spend a lot of time with Jazz of all kinds, and a handful of Classical as well. You need to open up, bro. There's a whole world of REAL music out there that you're missing. I could play every Bush song within a year of picking up a guitar. F**king children. It takes decades to master Classical and Jazz, and most who try are never truly able to do it.
Again, I'm seriously not mad, and I don't think any less of you because of your musical tastes. Read my post with the tone of one of your good, sarcastic friends.:biggrin:[/QUOTE
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I agree that the best of debates have a large amount of disagreement No hurt feelings here.
Good.
Seriously though, as far as testing speakers at dealers goes, bring your own music. If they won't let you listen to it, or condescend to you because of it, screw'em and take your wallet elsewhere.2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's
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I never listen to classical, as far as Jazz, I prefer jazz fusion, like Al Di Meola. Mostly, it's just rock and roll. No reason to listen to music you don't like.
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Am I the only one who doesnt listen to classical and Jazz often?
No, you are not alone. I don't listen to your choices, but I know exactly what you're talking about when it comes to the usual stuff played at shops and shows....ugh. Therefore, I bring my own music.Political Correctness'.........defined
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No, you are not alone. I don't listen to your choices, but I know exactly what you're talking about when it comes to the usual stuff played at shops and shows....ugh. Therefore, I bring my own music.
On a USB right Jesse!!
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All excellent suggestions. And Ed is right, it is an "acquired" taste, unless you grew up with your father playing Segovia 78's on the Victrola 24/7 as a baby? Get some copies of Glenn Gould playing Bach's: The Well-Tempered Clavier. Put it on in the background and don't even concentrate on it. Have it as background music for a few days, weeks...it'll get INTO your system sooner or later. Or not? It's a CHOICE, after all! But you might just be surprised.
We know that there is a high correlation between Mathematics and Music. When I listen to some classical, Bach in particular, it is almost as if I am listening to my "own" brain "functioning", like the brain waves are syncing with the contrapuntal sound waves of Bach's fugues!
And there is no listener WHO is "listening", no sound outside the listener to "listen to". Pure Being/Non-Being. A tad too much Zen (Chan)--sorry!
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Totally agree - I have to admit, though, that I deliberately skipped Bach (heck, the entire Baroque!) and Mozart in my biased little list because, phenomenal as their music is, it's not necessarily something that'll connect viscerally (though it may connect cerebrally, as cnh suggests) on the first hearing. The Planets will, though... plus you'll know what "inspired" that John Williams guy when he wrote the Star Wars music! :-)
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i like my classical to have heavy minor chords...themes that are traceable to the rock music i favor...rachmoninov comes to mind...i don't like the sterile note-crazy jazz...i like it with one foot in the blues, with a lot of holes - timing-wise...mid 60s miles davis and wes montgomery work for me....even country music..with a lonely guitar, pedal steel..
bottom line is, the music has to move me...otherwise, it ain't allowed on my system -
I listen accross the spectrum You play rock at some of those shops, they will move on.
The reason? 90% of people who listen are just into it for the VOLUME, not quality.
I normally mix it up a bit. But to really hear what some speakers can do, you need a mix.
Let's say a pair of Dynaudio bookshelf speakers with a 50wpc tube amp and a TT.
Drop on some jazz, HEAVEN. This is not a R&R rig. Classical will test limits of your system
because of the dynamics involved. Too much modern music is recorded into the distortion
zone and sound like crap on any decent system. So it's a balancing act.
I've finally got a system that does most thing well. If I was into classical more, I'm
sure I'd find 50wpc tube amps waaay to small to do justice to the recordings."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
I haven't owned tubes but I like them. Im getting into my digital based system right now. Maybe some day.
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falconcry72 wrote: »Jazz is The United States of America's greatest contribution to music. Period.
Maybe. However, my vote for "America's greatest contribution to music" is the Blues, and its child Rock and Roll.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Maybe. However, my vote for "America's greatest contribution to music" is the Blues, and its child Rock and Roll.
I won't argue that. All good stuff.:biggrin:2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's
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The stereo and the music are two separate things.
The choice of music shouldn't be made because it "works your system", that's just stupid. The choice of system should be made because it reproduces your music the best.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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...The choice of music shouldn't be made because it "works your system", that's just stupid. The choice of system should be made because it reproduces your music the best.
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No, you are not alone. While your music taste is not exactly my cup of thea, classic music is certainly not my cup of thea either (rarely I will use music in order to put me sleep). However, keep some in mind, audio boutiques will tend to use music that will put their product at its best sonical advantage which classic music can do since just about the entire spectrum of instruments and sounds are used for the demo.
Definitely! The best way to do, always bring your own music. Get to listen to the product with the music you like and know best will allow you for sound purchases.falconcry72 wrote: »
Seriously though, as far as testing speakers at dealers goes, bring your own music. If they won't let you listen to it, or condescend to you because of it, screw'em and take your wallet elsewhere.DARE TO SOAR:
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I like all music unless pure screaming is involved. I recently discovered Telarc collections so I've been listening to classical. I like stp etc, and Soundgarden. King crimson has a song that will show off systems and it rocks quite loudly. Lark's tongues in aspic
There should be demo discs of different genres, rock, r&b, Blues! Jazz and classical have great ranges and dynamics so I see why they are chosen, but there are great demo songs if all types that could be used.
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I'm pretty much the same way. I have a very wide variety of music in my collection, so I have something for pretty much every mood. I also agree about the whole "pure screaming" thing. I suspect you're mostly referring to death metal? I like some metal, but certainly not the death metal kind. I can deal with (or even enjoy) songs with limited amounts of screaming, especially if it fits the part; however, a whole song/album/artist based on that, no thanks.I like all music unless pure screaming is involved. I recently discovered Telarc collections so I've been listening to classical. I like stp etc, and Soundgarden. King crimson has a song that will show off systems and it rocks quite loudly. -
The same kids that scream at the pool for no reason grow up death metal knobs. Mettalica is a good rock selection that uses a symphony. Moody blues is great on SDA and live.Polk Audio SDA CRS+ crossover 4.1TL by Trey/VR3 (Rings and custom stand by Larry)-Polk Audio SDA SRS2 crossovers by Trey/VR3Parasound HCA1500aYamaha rxa-3070 with musicast-Celestion SL6S presence,- sl9 surround backNHTsuper1's surroundMagnepan SMGParasound 1500pre- Sofia "Baby" tube amp - Monitor Audio Silver RX2 Marantz 2230/B&Kst140Technics 1200mk2 Gamertag: IslandBerserker I am but a infinitesimally small point meeting the line of infinity in the SDA universe
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I love Metallica's S&M album; I even have it on vinyl. Moody Blues is fantastic as well; they were definitely ahead of their time.The same kids that scream at the pool for no reason grow up death metal knobs. Mettalica is a good rock selection that uses a symphony. Moody blues is great on SDA and live. -
To the OP. I'm not sure about sniffing my own **** but my wife sings opera in 7 languages and I've brought earplugs and a game boy to the recitals lol SHHH....
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the same kids that scream at the pool for no reason grow up death metal knobs. Mettalica is a good rock selection that uses a symphony. Moody blues is great on sda and live.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! No we don't! :twisted: Well not all of us anyway hehe. I have peed in a hot tub though:cheesygrin:
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The stereo and the music are two separate things.
The choice of music shouldn't be made because it "works your system", that's just stupid. The choice of system should be made because it reproduces your music the best.
Bingo!!!
Ain't nothin' but da blues, baby!Political Correctness'.........defined
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speaking of jazz (which generally evokes a similar response in me to that expressed in the first post to this thread)... an interesting blog on the topic (all as seen at AK*):
http://nicholaspayton.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/on-why-jazz-isnt-cool-anymore/
and this article riffing (pun somewhat intended on the topic):
http://www.npr.org/blogs/ablogsupreme/2011/12/02/143059425/someone-said-something-negative-about-jazz-as-a-whole-again?sc=tw&cc=twmp
and a rebuttal, of sort:
http://iancareyjazz.com/blog/2011/12/how-not-to-become-a-bitter-white-jazz-musician.html
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Great posts about Jazz, while there is good stuff out there I dont need to listen to Ron burgundy playing the flute. I find people like Flea from Red hott chilli peppers and Noodles from the Offspring where music has gone since jazz. Personaly I do believe that for the most part they just gave up making music after about 2000 though. Mumfords and sons is pretty sweet though.
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I feel that way sometimes myself...Personaly I do believe that for the most part they just gave up making music after about 2000 though. ...
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I have never listened to wailin jennys Ill have to try it out on mog.
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I don't know what "mog" is - but I'll mention right now in the context of earlier posts that the Wailin Jennys do not in fact wail...
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Personally, I like many different styles of music, including classical. And I'd like to point out that as there are many styles of Jazz and POP, there are many types of classical. So if you are, not into Baroque or 19th century classical, perhaps something more modern might appeal: Benjamin Britten, Virgil Tompson, or Leonard Bernstein from the 20th century; Jennifer Higdon, Joseph Schwantner, or Gareth Farr who are contemporary.
These days, it's easy to browse tens of thousands of titles on Amazon, BN, etc. Why not look around and see if there isn't something different from your usual play list that might grab you interest!
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Jim I will check out your recomemdations for sure. I really like david garrett playing the violin. I realize I lit a fire at the begining of this post partially on purpose but there has been a great discussion that arose from it.
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Bernstein is definitely a good call.
West Side Story is a good place to start, I'd opine - even though it's a musical and not "serious" music per se. :-) -
I see what the op meant though. It would seem that there is an element to hifi shops pushing a stereotype that you must be into jazz or classical to be a true enjoyer of high end audio which is not the case.Polk Audio SDA CRS+ crossover 4.1TL by Trey/VR3 (Rings and custom stand by Larry)-Polk Audio SDA SRS2 crossovers by Trey/VR3Parasound HCA1500aYamaha rxa-3070 with musicast-Celestion SL6S presence,- sl9 surround backNHTsuper1's surroundMagnepan SMGParasound 1500pre- Sofia "Baby" tube amp - Monitor Audio Silver RX2 Marantz 2230/B&Kst140Technics 1200mk2 Gamertag: IslandBerserker I am but a infinitesimally small point meeting the line of infinity in the SDA universe
