Bob Carver back in retail . . .

SolidSqual
SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
edited October 2011 in The Clubhouse
I was usrfing Underwood HiFi's website and notice Walter is now carrying a brand by Bob himself:

http://underwoodhifi.com/retail.html#bobcarver

Here's the link to Bob's site: http://www.bobcarver.com/

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited October 2011
    Thats really cool that Bobs back doing what loves and getting his brand out there
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,007
    edited October 2011
    How long will it be until this is "perceived" as promotion and the thread gets closed down or deleted altogether?


    *rolls eyes*
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited October 2011
    Now that's cool! I really hope his company does well. Great to see him specializing in only tubes.
    SDA-1C (full mods)
    Carver TFM-55
    NAD 1130 Pre-amp
    Rega Planar 3 TT/Shelter 501 MkII
    The Clamp
    Revox A77 Mk IV Dolby reel to reel
    Thorens TD160/Mission 774 arm/Stanton 881S Shibata
    Nakamichi CR7 Cassette Deck
    Rotel RCD-855 with modified tube output stage
    Cambridge Audio DACmagic Plus
    ADC Soundshaper 3 EQ
    Ben's IC's
    Nitty Gritty 1.5FI RCM
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited October 2011
    treitz3 wrote: »
    How long will it be until this is "perceived" as promotion and the thread gets closed down or deleted altogether?


    *rolls eyes*

    Jeez, hope not. I don't have any skin the game here. I just happen to know you, Nooshinjohn and some others like his gear.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,273
    edited October 2011
    treitz3 wrote: »
    How long will it be until this is "perceived" as promotion and the thread gets closed down or deleted altogether?

    I guess we can all go talking about Schiit
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited October 2011
    Yet, another one where I was just bringing to light a new and promising product with no benefit to myself or anyone I remotely know.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited October 2011
    Am I missing something? Am I not supposed to post this stuff on an audio site?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2011
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Am I missing something? Am I not supposed to post this stuff on an audio site?

    You're fine, Tom has a chip on his shoulder and can't help bagging on CP once in awhile. He feels none of us like Bob Carver, and this is his way to picking at a scab that really doesn't exist.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited October 2011
    Fongolio wrote: »
    Now that's cool! I really hope his company does well. Great to see him specializing in only tubes.

    What's up with that? One of his claims is he can make a SS amp sound like a tube amp. Great. Then make amps with parts that last, not parts that just burn out after some time.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited October 2011
    BlueFox wrote: »
    What's up with that? One of his claims is he can make a SS amp sound like a tube amp. Great. Then make amps with parts that last, not parts that just burn out after some time.
    I've owned several Carver pieces and still own a TFM-45 and a C1 pre. Awesome products in my opinion. I did have some trouble with a Carver TFM-25 a while back but it was over 25 years old and had had no work done previous so I can't really say I've had trouble any worse than other brands.
    SDA-1C (full mods)
    Carver TFM-55
    NAD 1130 Pre-amp
    Rega Planar 3 TT/Shelter 501 MkII
    The Clamp
    Revox A77 Mk IV Dolby reel to reel
    Thorens TD160/Mission 774 arm/Stanton 881S Shibata
    Nakamichi CR7 Cassette Deck
    Rotel RCD-855 with modified tube output stage
    Cambridge Audio DACmagic Plus
    ADC Soundshaper 3 EQ
    Ben's IC's
    Nitty Gritty 1.5FI RCM
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited October 2011
    It's not Mr. Carver. It's his rabid, cheering section that gets old.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2011
    I bought a TFM 45 (new) many years ago,,and it's been used to power many speakers,,,sold it to my brother about 10 years ago,,it's had one check up,back in the day when Carver still had "inhouse" repair service,,IIRC,they replaced a couple caps that were aging,,and touched up a few solder joints,,and it's still pumping away.Pretty good for an amp thats close to 20 years.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited October 2011
    george daniel wrote: »
    I bought a TFM 45 (new) many years ago,,and it's been used to power many speakers,

    "TFM - 45 can bring any speaker system under tight, authoritative control, yet with the warmth that rivals tube designs"
    http://www.carversound.com/carver-amplifiers/tfm-45/

    Which is exactly my question. If he can design long lasting SS amps that sound the same as tubes then why build amps with parts that burn out, and need to be periodically replaced, adjusted, biased, etc.?
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2011
    BlueFox wrote: »
    "TFM - 45 can bring any speaker system under tight, authoritative control, yet with the warmth that rivals tube designs"
    http://www.carversound.com/carver-amplifiers/tfm-45/

    Which is exactly my question. If he can design long lasting SS amps that sound the same as tubes

    Because he can't build SS amps that sound the same as tubes. There are some SS amps that have tube-like characteristics, but they aren't the same at all. You and he seem to define tubes in a broad sense. Lots and lots of differences with tube amps based on design type and exact tubes used, etc.

    If you want a long lasting SS amp that sounds like tubes, here's one.

    http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/firstwatt11/m2.html

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
    edited October 2011
    Would be nice to try them out but at 8 and 16k a little to rich for my blood.
    “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” ~ Mark Twain
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,769
    edited October 2011
    I suspect :-) that it's a little like the curious case of Dr. Robert "Bob" Moog. Many years after he developed the sophisticated, keyboard controlled analog synthesizer that bore his name and (arguably) revolutionized electronic music in the 1960s, Moog ended his career by going back to his roots with a little company building... Theremins. Sort of the ultimate low-tech analog synthesizer. Kind of a circle of life thing. Sadly, Moog died rather young in 1975 at age 71.

    Who knows, maybe Caver's swan song will be a crystal detector radio?

    (in all seriousness, the highest-fi AM or - EDIT: believe it or not - FM analog radio receivers imaginable would use passive front ends like the old 1N34 germanium diode or even a "cat's whisker" detector)
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited October 2011
    I heard he's gonna merge with Bose & Monster !
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited October 2011
    gdb wrote: »
    I heard he's gonna merge with Bose & Monster !

    Now that's just rude... you must be an emo fan boy. :P
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  • pietro944
    pietro944 Posts: 720
    edited October 2011
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Yet, another one where I was just bringing to light a new and promising product with no benefit to myself or anyone I remotely know.

    Thanks
    SolidSqual,for posting this.....don't let the audiophile police get you down.You're thread is appreciated.i still miss my Carver amps and Linn Speakers from 20 yrs ago....BTW,you have some really,really nice gear...Congrats!
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited October 2011
    Hey guys, I just heard at RMAF that Bob is going to be offering a 21 Watt version of the amps above based on the same designs and tech. It will sell for $1500 MSRP, but I hear it will probably be had for around $1,250 if you know who to talk to.
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