Finally,Feds are taking down Gibson guitar

brgman

I lose sleep every night worrying about when the next guitar will be made from wood out of Madagascar.Thank God our Justice Dept has gotten it's priorities straight....
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/feds-raid-guitar-maker%E2%80%A6looking-for-illegal-wood/

potee

What like the forest is now barren. How much wood goes into a guitar bridge gimme a break.

obieone

Tyranny? What tyranny?

There's nothing to see here, move along!

[Deleted User]

Unreal. :cool:

EDUBAG

why o why didn't i take the blue pill?

are we in the matrix or what? i mean one tree must make one year supply of guitar bridges.

unless gibson is into building high luxury condos using exotic woods i do not think that they would damage any environment, since they use regulated types of wood for the body of the guitars.

wow, i wonder if they will go after mercedes benz, audi and bentley after, for using real leather and real wood?

byfthalone

it's too bad trees aren't a renewable resource...

inspiredsports

This is incredibly disturbing. Our country is truly doomed if we continue to allow the depth and scope of this government to expand.

inspiredsports

byfthalone wrote: »

it's too bad trees aren't a renewable resource...

:biggrin:

gimpod

Nice to see you tax dollars hard at work, Now if only I can get the cops to come bust the drug dealers that live upstairs. If only...

zingo

There is nothing worse for the world than rich, white guys buying expensive guitars with exotic, custom inlays...

cnh

zingo wrote: »

There is nothing worse for the world than rich, white guys buying expensive guitars with exotic, custom inlays...

Many of whom are legally 'tone deaf' and don't even play that well! I remember an old professor saying that the worst thing that ever happened in the U.S. was when, in the 60s and 70s, everybody thought they could or should play a guitar!

cnh

Kajun442

Gibson Guitars soon to be the next made in China product. Thanks Government. Isn't there some more important things you should be working on. It's funny how much effort they put in to track illegal wood but not illegal people.

Sorry, I don't post often, but this struck a nerve.

Jim

Tony M

Kajun442 wrote: »

Gibson Guitars soon to be the next made in China product. Thanks Government. Isn't there some more important things you should be working on. It's funny how much effort they put in to track illegal wood but not illegal people.

Sorry, I don't post often, but this struck a nerve.

Jim

I feel the same Jim!!
That's how I started on this forum too. Thanks to others posting the original posts, I wouldn't have mentioned a subject on this forum myself in the beginning. I owe alot to others for letting me vent some views and frustration out along with the OPs...

Tony M

zingo wrote: »

There is nothing worse for the world than rich, white guys buying expensive guitars with exotic, custom inlays...

I guess madagaskar wood was better than the old African Ivory frets..:biggrin:

What's next,?... Ebony wood of course...

quadzilla

Yes, it's illegal because the government in Madagascar says it is. Are you people saying that Madagascar doesn't have the right to control what happens within it's borders, or that we should just ignore anyone breaking their laws because because it's not our problem?

On top of that, Gibson is actually a member of the Rainforest Alliance, which is actually supposed to be preventing this sort of stuff. So much for that. Guess that partly explains which Gibson is ranked as one of the worst places to work in the US.

I also hate how they bought, and completely ruined, Kramer Guitars, which used to be my favorite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_logging_in_Madagascar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson_Guitar_Company

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Gibson_Guitar_Corporation

brgman

I'm saying that our justice department, using our tax money, should have more important things on their list of things to do.

George Grand

You CAN'T GET enough justice for your dollar I say.

reeltrouble1

they call me the man. getting justice for all is my plan.

I am RT1.

dorokusai

Some businesses thought to be super cool are usually just not. I'm not sure how this will play out but overall it doesn't directly affect me yet.

Hopefully this doesn't get too a political or it will have to go....better venting elsewhere IMO.

reeltrouble1

well....making guns...cool, making guitars...cool, making motor bikes....cool, installing boobie implants...cool.....and the feds are after all of them!!!!

RT1

brgman

too bad enforcing our borders and keeping Americans safer isn't cool anymore

Demiurge

A huge debacle is being uncovered at the U.S. Justice Department. Apparently thousands of illegal guitars have been sent to Mexican drug lords.

OPERATION FAST & FRETLESS

nooshinjohn

Demiurge wrote: »

A huge debacle is being uncovered at the U.S. Justice Department. Apparently thousands of illegal guitars have been sent to Mexican drug lords.

OPERATION FAST & FRETLESS

I heard of this... aren't they trying to bring down the head of the El-KA' Bong cartel?

Gadabout

Where did you all get the Justice Department from?

It's clearly stated in the original article that it was the United States Fish and Wildlife Department looking for evidence in violation of the Lacey Act. The same department that investigated Gibson, for the same thing, in 2009.

Scott

SWFalken

For this kind of totalitarian garbage and for giggles, I'm having my luthier build my next guitar using nothing but wood from endangered trees, the nut and saddle from African ivory and a strap out of baby Harp Seal. I kid, for all the spooks listening in on the conversation it's just a joke. F&cking fascists. Maybe this is just payback for developing that ridiculous Firebird X.

BeefJerky

Kajun442 wrote: »

Gibson Guitars soon to be the next made in China product. Thanks Government. Isn't there some more important things you should be working on. It's funny how much effort they put in to track illegal wood but not illegal people.

Sorry, I don't post often, but this struck a nerve.

Jim

I agree 100%!

quadzilla wrote: »

Yes, it's illegal because the government in Madagascar says it is. Are you people saying that Madagascar doesn't have the right to control what happens within it's borders, or that we should just ignore anyone breaking their laws because because it's not our problem?

On top of that, Gibson is actually a member of the Rainforest Alliance, which is actually supposed to be preventing this sort of stuff. So much for that. Guess that partly explains which Gibson is ranked as one of the worst places to work in the US.

Madagascar certainly has a right to control what goes on in their borders, but this is now extending into our borders. If Madagascar has a problem with this and wants our government to be involved, then they should be prepared to pay up the money necessary to go after Gibson. However, I don't support using my tax dollars for such a useless cause.

tonyb

Kajun442 wrote: »

It's funny how much effort they put in to track illegal wood but not illegal people.

Jim

Ta da....we have a winner !!!

Kinda like busting the guy on the street corner smoking a joint while a semi with a few tons of it rolls around infront untouched.

madmax

This is very distasteful to me, Gibson is being abused by our government. We are being fleased for trillions and this is being done either to divert our attention from the real problem or this is just a symtom of the probem, not sure. Is there any hope for us?

george daniel

Mother,,should I trust the government ?:rolleyes:

tonyb

george daniel wrote: »

Mother,,should I trust the government ?:rolleyes:

LOL!!!

Whats even funnier, is that some...actually do.

Gibson guitars, garage salers, lemonaide stands.....Yeah, nothin' like going after those big law breakers....while illegals run around unafraid of any prosecution, government selling guns south of the border, but those lemonaide stands and Gibson guitars, thats the real threat to out nation.

If it wasn't so sad,it would be funny.

quadzilla

brgman wrote: »

too bad enforcing our borders and keeping Americans safer isn't cool anymore

Oh, you mean like preventing illegal imports and enforcing laws against illegal imports? Because the logging and exporting is illegal there, importing the wood is illegal here. Wouldn't that fall under the category of enforcing our border as well?