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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2011
    angelsfann02 wrote: »
    Sounds good, and makes sense except for the part of sharing the lsi15's. I cannot think of how the preamp would connect to the inputs of my amp, if all 5 inputs are already taken because of my avr?

    the output of the 2ch pre goes straight to your amplifier. You hook the ht pre outputs L/R to the by-pass inputs on the 2ch pre.

    That way when you are playing music the ht receiver is completey out of the path, when doing ht the signal from the dvd "passes through" the 2ch pre and on to your amplifier.

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  • angelsfann02
    angelsfann02 Posts: 589
    edited August 2011
    Correction, USP-1. Preamp. Sorry guys.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2011
    so.....

    for HT
    dvd--receiver--2ch bypass input--2ch output--to amplifier--to speaker...the by-pass input on the 2ch pre does not process the signal in any manner.

    for music

    source--2ch input--2ch output--to amplifier--to speaker......the audio signal never goes to the ht receiver.

    RT1

    edit...so which ever way you decide to move next if at all, you can make a bit more informed decision which is what this place is about.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,396
    edited August 2011
    The Emo isn't in the same league as the Adcom, not even close.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited August 2011
    I also wanted to say I have a pioneer sc model and a 2 channel pre amp is a large improvement in terms of 2 channel playback. I've compares it to the parasound, adcom, and a couple others and though the sc wasn't bad the others were better
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited August 2011
    Adcom isn't in the same league as an B&K amp..no where's near the same price..lol..
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,371
    edited August 2011
    http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homeproc&1318448591&/Rotel-RSP-1068-Rotel-HT-Proces

    I have this unit with an xpa-5 and LSi15's. You can run straight 2-channel or 2-channel with your sub. Very nice unit IMO.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited August 2011
    ctank wrote: »
    Adcom isn't in the same league as an B&K amp..no where's near the same price..lol..

    What's your point? If the op is trying to get better sound people are giving ways to get there. Just because your content with emo doesn't mean everyone else is. I bought a nice adcom 5802 for the same price that the xpa2 goes for and was a large improvement in sound. Instead of making fun of it I would suggest trying something out and make your own opinion.

    Is adcom top ofthe line? No there are a lot better out there. If your truingto get the most out of your dollar the used market for press, amps, ect is the way to go.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited August 2011
    angelsfann02 wrote: »
    Nice. Real nice. Too nice for me! Haha.

    I don't get it, the parasound at 4 bones is too good for you, yet your looking at the Emo ??
    C'mon man, these 2 are in different classes bro. Lots of good advice thrown your way. There is no setting on the receiver to turn it into a killer 2 channel music machine, and no way on earth you'll get good sound with an ipod connected to the receiver by that port.

    If I was you, I'd look for something with tubes, they can make a dry sounding system sound pretty good.
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  • angelsfann02
    angelsfann02 Posts: 589
    edited August 2011
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    so.....

    for HT
    dvd--receiver--2ch bypass input--2ch output--to amplifier--to speaker...the by-pass input on the 2ch pre does not process the signal in any manner.

    for music

    source--2ch input--2ch output--to amplifier--to speaker......the audio signal never goes to the ht receiver.

    RT1

    edit...so which ever way you decide to move next if at all, you can make a bit more informed decision which is what this place is about.
    Dude, awesome info, but i swear i feel like an idiot right now because the back of my avr doesnt have a 2 channel bypass input, AND I still am only seeing 5 rca inputs on the back of my amp that are already in use. Fml.
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    BEDROOM: VIZIO 32" LCD, Pioneer Elite VSX-23txh, Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD, Parasound HCA-2205A, Mirage Nanosat Prestige Speakers 5.1, Mirage S8 Sub, Monoprice cables, APC Surge Protection.
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited August 2011
    Once again look at a manual as well it's not as hard as it seems.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited August 2011
    You are making this harder than it needs to be, let's try this.

    For your movies run the cable from you DVD player to your receiver just like you have it today, doesn't matter if you're using HDMI or whatever.

    If you're using an amp right now, then you're already running the cables from receiver to amp. Take the two front channels cables that are running from receiver to amp, and run those to the ht bypass inputs on the new preamp instead then run two more cables from the output of that preamp to the amp.

    For music run cables from your source to the new preamp.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited August 2011
    So to make the bypass work you will need to purchase 2 additional RCA type cables, to go from new preamp output to amp
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  • angelsfann02
    angelsfann02 Posts: 589
    edited August 2011
    tonyb wrote: »
    I don't get it, the parasound at 4 bones is too good for you, yet your looking at the Emo ??
    C'mon man, these 2 are in different classes bro. Lots of good advice thrown your way. There is no setting on the receiver to turn it into a killer 2 channel music machine, and no way on earth you'll get good sound with an ipod connected to the receiver by that port.

    If I was you, I'd look for something with tubes, they can make a dry sounding system sound pretty good.

    I feel ya man. Thats why I love this forum- people are straight shooters (most of them anyways) and always give pretty honest advice.
    LIVING ROOM:
    Pioneer PDP-6070HD, Pioneer Elite SC-25, Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD,
    Emotiva XPA-5, Emotiva USP-1, Polk LSI15's, Polk LSiC, Velodyne 12", Mirage Nanosat Prestige rears, MIT AVT Speaker Cables, Audioquest King Cobra Interconnects, Panamax M5300pm Surge Protection/ Power Conditioning
    BEDROOM: VIZIO 32" LCD, Pioneer Elite VSX-23txh, Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD, Parasound HCA-2205A, Mirage Nanosat Prestige Speakers 5.1, Mirage S8 Sub, Monoprice cables, APC Surge Protection.
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  • PrazVT
    PrazVT Posts: 1,607
    edited August 2011
    A receiver as a 2-channel pre-amp isn't going to get it done. Then add the Emotiva to the mix and that's why you are not happy.

    Are you telling me all you guys with Pioneer SCs also have additional 2 channel pre's? you're killin me :)
    Dali Optikon 1Mk2
    NAD D3020 V2
    Schiit Bifrost 2/64

    ..the rest are headphone setups.
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  • angelsfann02
    angelsfann02 Posts: 589
    edited August 2011
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    So to make the bypass work you will need to purchase 2 additional RCA type cables, to go from new preamp output to amp

    Got it. Got it. Got it. Last question then i shut my trap, what if i am using my bluray player as my "source"? Maybe i need to purchase another musical "source", ie. dedicated cd player. Or will this set-up ( new pre-amp installed) enhance what i already use? There.......done!
    LIVING ROOM:
    Pioneer PDP-6070HD, Pioneer Elite SC-25, Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD,
    Emotiva XPA-5, Emotiva USP-1, Polk LSI15's, Polk LSiC, Velodyne 12", Mirage Nanosat Prestige rears, MIT AVT Speaker Cables, Audioquest King Cobra Interconnects, Panamax M5300pm Surge Protection/ Power Conditioning
    BEDROOM: VIZIO 32" LCD, Pioneer Elite VSX-23txh, Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD, Parasound HCA-2205A, Mirage Nanosat Prestige Speakers 5.1, Mirage S8 Sub, Monoprice cables, APC Surge Protection.
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited August 2011
    I'm surprised this wasn't pointed out yet. But the VSX-23 wasn't designed with 4-ohm loads in mind. At least I certainly can't find any publishing about it supporting a 4-ohm load safely.
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  • angelsfann02
    angelsfann02 Posts: 589
    edited August 2011
    Drenis wrote: »
    I'm surprised this wasn't pointed out yet. But the VSX-23 wasn't designed with 4-ohm loads in mind. At least I certainly can't find any publishing about it supporting a 4-ohm load safely.
    My Pio-23 never sees a 4-ohm load. My avr pre-outs go straight to my amp which in turn powers my speakers.
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    Emotiva XPA-5, Emotiva USP-1, Polk LSI15's, Polk LSiC, Velodyne 12", Mirage Nanosat Prestige rears, MIT AVT Speaker Cables, Audioquest King Cobra Interconnects, Panamax M5300pm Surge Protection/ Power Conditioning
    BEDROOM: VIZIO 32" LCD, Pioneer Elite VSX-23txh, Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD, Parasound HCA-2205A, Mirage Nanosat Prestige Speakers 5.1, Mirage S8 Sub, Monoprice cables, APC Surge Protection.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited August 2011
    angelsfann02 wrote: »
    Got it. Got it. Got it. Last question then i shut my trap, what if i am using my bluray player as my "source"? Maybe i need to purchase another musical "source", ie. dedicated cd player. Or will this set-up ( new pre-amp installed) enhance what i already use? There.......done!
    It depends on what kind of blu ray player you have, but typically if you're going through the trouble to add a 2 channel preamp you'll want a good source as well
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,396
    edited August 2011
    Drenis wrote: »
    I'm surprised this wasn't pointed out yet. But the VSX-23 wasn't designed with 4-ohm loads in mind. At least I certainly can't find any publishing about it supporting a 4-ohm load safely.

    See post #2, thought it was obvious the way I posted it.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2011
    angelsfann02 wrote: »
    Got it. Got it. Got it. Last question then i shut my trap, what if i am using my bluray player as my "source"? Maybe i need to purchase another musical "source", ie. dedicated cd player. Or will this set-up ( new pre-amp installed) enhance what i already use? There.......done!

    now your getting it. Yes most do get a source designed to play music...

    enter the Rabbit Hole.

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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited August 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    See post #2, thought it was obvious the way I posted it.

    H9

    Touche. Never even saw that.
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  • dcmartinpc
    dcmartinpc Posts: 844
    edited August 2011
    angelsfann02 wrote: »
    Got it. Got it. Got it. Last question then i shut my trap, what if i am using my bluray player as my "source"? Maybe i need to purchase another musical "source", ie. dedicated cd player. Or will this set-up ( new pre-amp installed) enhance what i already use? There.......done!

    Depends on your Blu-Ray player. One way I could see working is connecting the Blu-Ray to your HT receiver with HDMI, and connect to the 2-Channel pre with RCA. It would give you a direct signal path to both.... I think it would work nicely and allow you to share the same source.

    Some of the Pioneer Elite units have some decent DACs in them. BDP-05FD or the BDP-51FFD both are nice, and can be had very cheaply.

    I would second the Adcom GFP-750, if it is in your price range. The Parasound pre listed is also very nice. I own a GFP-750 and love it. I am even thinking about upgrading/modifying it in the near future.

    Don
    Living Room: Adcom GFP-750 (Upgraded), Squeezebox Touch, Oppo BDP-83, Pioneer DV-79AVi, Parasound HCA-3500 (Upgraded), SDA SRS 2 P/B (Gimpod, Sonicaps, & Mills)

    Theater: Denon 4311ci, Oppo BDP-93, Parasound HCA-2205+HCA-2200II, Polk LSi9, LSiC, LSiFX, LSi7, Custom 18" TC Sounds sub with 2 18" PR, Sharp XV-Z12000, Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M (isf Enabled)

    Bedroom: HK AVR354, Pioneer DV-47a, Parasound HCA-1500a, Polk LSi9
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  • angelsfann02
    angelsfann02 Posts: 589
    edited August 2011
    Nice. Already own the BDP-05!
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    Emotiva XPA-5, Emotiva USP-1, Polk LSI15's, Polk LSiC, Velodyne 12", Mirage Nanosat Prestige rears, MIT AVT Speaker Cables, Audioquest King Cobra Interconnects, Panamax M5300pm Surge Protection/ Power Conditioning
    BEDROOM: VIZIO 32" LCD, Pioneer Elite VSX-23txh, Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD, Parasound HCA-2205A, Mirage Nanosat Prestige Speakers 5.1, Mirage S8 Sub, Monoprice cables, APC Surge Protection.
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  • dcmartinpc
    dcmartinpc Posts: 844
    edited August 2011
    angelsfann02 wrote: »
    Nice. Already own the BDP-05!

    Yup. It has Wolfson DACs and it sounds pretty decent on 2-channel material. Make sure you use the dedicated 2-channel output on the rear and it should work perfectly.

    Don
    Living Room: Adcom GFP-750 (Upgraded), Squeezebox Touch, Oppo BDP-83, Pioneer DV-79AVi, Parasound HCA-3500 (Upgraded), SDA SRS 2 P/B (Gimpod, Sonicaps, & Mills)

    Theater: Denon 4311ci, Oppo BDP-93, Parasound HCA-2205+HCA-2200II, Polk LSi9, LSiC, LSiFX, LSi7, Custom 18" TC Sounds sub with 2 18" PR, Sharp XV-Z12000, Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M (isf Enabled)

    Bedroom: HK AVR354, Pioneer DV-47a, Parasound HCA-1500a, Polk LSi9
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  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited August 2011
    I also have the same effect on my Yammah RX-V665 .When going to pure direct or even 2 chll it never and I mean never sounded as good as in full 7ch mode. The other effects like opera hall, club , theater are gimmicks that add little if anything at all .Roxy Theater yea right. What a waste .
    2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E

    H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-

    Bdrm- Nikko 6065 receiver- JBL -G-200s--Pioneer 305 headphones--Sony CE375-5 disc
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited August 2011
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    What's your point? If the op is trying to get better sound people are giving ways to get there. Just because your content with emo doesn't mean everyone else is. I bought a nice adcom 5802 for the same price that the xpa2 goes for and was a large improvement in sound. Instead of making fun of it I would suggest trying something out and make your own opinion.

    Is adcom top ofthe line? No there are a lot better out there. If your truingto get the most out of your dollar the used market for press, amps, ect is the way to go.
    ...its was a joke..Adcom..Carver..B&K..and so on are great amps..and yes i like my UPA-1's alot..got them at a great price..are there better amp's out there for used?..yes i would say they are..i just didn't want too take the risk of buying a used amp..and EMO has a 5 years warr..on there amps..some people in here i have seen are saying this or that amp will blow way EMO amp's..that may be true too some point..will a B&K blow away a SunFire amp?.are an Adcom? and so on?..Parasound amp's are made over sea,s will they get blown out by what amp?..I had a Carver amp..i had tube amps before..Got my Carver at a selloff price..They make great amp's..what's the point?..
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  • angelsfann02
    angelsfann02 Posts: 589
    edited August 2011
    Figured it out guys! Music sounds sweet! Cds are crisp & clear. Even my ipod sounds better. What I did was that I ran the MCACC again and everything sounds way better. I had messed with the MCACC settings before, and screwed them up royally. I had raised the db's on the fronts way too much and that made them louder,but not smooth sounding. I reset everything and I saved the new MCACC settings. Good to go now thanks to all.
    LIVING ROOM:
    Pioneer PDP-6070HD, Pioneer Elite SC-25, Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD,
    Emotiva XPA-5, Emotiva USP-1, Polk LSI15's, Polk LSiC, Velodyne 12", Mirage Nanosat Prestige rears, MIT AVT Speaker Cables, Audioquest King Cobra Interconnects, Panamax M5300pm Surge Protection/ Power Conditioning
    BEDROOM: VIZIO 32" LCD, Pioneer Elite VSX-23txh, Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD, Parasound HCA-2205A, Mirage Nanosat Prestige Speakers 5.1, Mirage S8 Sub, Monoprice cables, APC Surge Protection.
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  • angelsfann02
    angelsfann02 Posts: 589
    edited August 2011
    Oh did I mention I got a Pioneer SC-25? Thats gonna get swapped in with the VSX-23 tonight for comparison. Maybe the 23 will be for sale soon.
    LIVING ROOM:
    Pioneer PDP-6070HD, Pioneer Elite SC-25, Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD,
    Emotiva XPA-5, Emotiva USP-1, Polk LSI15's, Polk LSiC, Velodyne 12", Mirage Nanosat Prestige rears, MIT AVT Speaker Cables, Audioquest King Cobra Interconnects, Panamax M5300pm Surge Protection/ Power Conditioning
    BEDROOM: VIZIO 32" LCD, Pioneer Elite VSX-23txh, Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD, Parasound HCA-2205A, Mirage Nanosat Prestige Speakers 5.1, Mirage S8 Sub, Monoprice cables, APC Surge Protection.
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  • RickTfromAZ
    RickTfromAZ Posts: 122
    edited November 2011
    Glad that got it figured out. I have the Adcom 5802 amp and the GFP 750 pre amp. Keep your eyes open. They can be had pretty reasonably.
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