Opinion

VR3

I have a friend of mine who owes me some money...

The chances of this friend paying this back to me at this point I would guess is really small..

I have some things of this friend around my house that I could sell and recoup almost all of what this friend owes me..

At this point my contact with this friend is rather minimal.

Do you think it is fair to sell said items?

Friend has owed this money now for over 6 months to a year

Ern Dog

I think the best outcome would be to talk with him about it and to let him know that you are serious about wanting the money paid back. If he says he can't pay then give him the choice to find the money or that you will sell his stuff. This way he is given a choice.

To sell his stuff without any communication from you wouldn't be cool.

VR3

I understand - now... what if you try contacting said individual and the individual never answers his phone for say... a month +

What do you do then?

newrival

I'd say leave him a message with your intentions and that should get him to respond pretty quickly.

Legally, I fear that you probably can't sell his things, but I think it's the fair thing given the circumstances.

dorokusai

Ask him one last time and lay it on the table. If he's not ready to pay up, then it's time to settle up...as in sell his stuff. I don't like owing people money and always settle my debts in a timely manner.

Speaking of which, I have to pay for some Flea Market stuff....yikes!

Ern Dog

Well you could send him a letter letting him know his stuff is going up for sale soon and that if he is concerned then to call you.

VR3

Yeah - there is alot more to this than I care to say

But right now I dont know where this individual lives and he is not answering his phone.

TouchOfEvil

How long have you had his stuff? He may not really care about it if it's been a good while?

VR3

Over a year

TouchOfEvil

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

Over a year

Over a year and he won't return a call....i'd sell it. Must not be a great friend if he can't even return a phone call to begin with.

stuwee

Does he have e-mail? Do that and call, take pics of everything, and save all corespondence. Cover your ****, just in case. But the right thing to do is try to contact him before moving forward. Check with the local small claims court for your rights in your area on this. Do the right thing always, it's just good karma

Good Luck to ya!!

MacLeod

How much money are we talking about? If its like $20, I wouldnt sweat it that much. If its $100 or more AND he'd been ducking me, then his stuff would find its way to the local pawn shop pretty quick.

VR3

The monetary amount does not matter. If it was 20 dollars this thread would not exist.

jbooker82

TouchOfEvil wrote: »

Over a year and he won't return a call....i'd sell it. Must not be a great friend if he can't even return a phone call to begin with.

Yep x2

Then when he is calling about his stuff you dont answer the phone and dont return his calls.

janmike

I think friends should be upfront and honest. Unfortunately that is not always the case.
Lack of communication is usually a sign of guilt so sell it. Good luck.

TECHNOKID

Ern Dog wrote: »

I think the best outcome would be to talk with him about it and to let him know that you are serious about wanting the money paid back. If he says he can't pay then give him the choice to find the money or that you will sell his stuff. This way he is given a choice.

To sell his stuff without any communication from you wouldn't be cool.

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

I understand - now... what if you try contacting said individual and the individual never answers his phone for say... a month +

What do you do then?

newrival wrote: »

I'd say leave him a message with your intentions and that should get him to respond pretty quickly.

Legally, I fear that you probably can't sell his things, but I think it's the fair thing given the circumstances.

I was in agreement with the above but considering he will not return your calls... So sad to loose friendship over a few bucks. Like janmike says he should man up and be honest with you. If he at least didn't avoid you and tell you straight he can't pay you and agree to let you get some compensation out of his belonging.

headrott

Ern Dog wrote: »

I think the best outcome would be to talk with him about it and to let him know that you are serious about wanting the money paid back. If he says he can't pay then give him the choice to find the money or that you will sell his stuff. This way he is given a choice.

To sell his stuff without any communication from you wouldn't be cool.

Agree 100% with you. However, if he won't return your calls and you have had his stuff for over a year that (to me) means that he's "given" the stuff to you in repayment. But, I would still keep trying to contact him. If he does not answer, then the stuff is yours to sell (IMO).

Greg

wayne3burk

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

The monetary amount does not matter. If it was 20 dollars this thread would not exist.

thats a contradiction - if it was 20 dollars this thread wouldn't exist - so clearly the monetary amount does matter.

If the items you hold of his appreciate in value... then hold them hostage. as an investment.

if they depreciate in value - then sell them now....

and thank him for the profit - if you have more on balance than what he owed you.

or.... you could just mark it up to lessons learned... neither a borrower or a lender be.....

did you know that only the Jews could lend money in catholic europe? and there in layed the rub that was the source of anti-semetic sentiments in 20th century europe?

hmmmmm

now i'm just ramblin...

sell his stuff on ebay... and send him the link
tell him he can bid on his crap

:d

i'm just sayin

decal

I think you should grow up and handle your problems on your own. I don't understand why anyone would resort to an internet forum, especially an audio forum, to try and solve their personal problems. It does seem to occur a lot here. Maybe I'm just behind the times.

heiney9

Imagine you are Judge Judy, who would she be yelling at, you or him? My guess is him and since a lot of time has passed and he is unreachable she would be on your side if you sold them.

In these types of legal cases I always think, "What Would Judge Judy do?"

Outfitter03

decal wrote: »

I think you should grow up and handle your problems on your own.

Decal this song is now dedicated to you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKY-smJ6aBQ

TECHNOKID

decal wrote: »

I think you should grow up and handle your problems on your own. I don't understand why anyone would resort to an internet forum, especially an audio forum, to try and solve their personal problems. It does seem to occur a lot here. Maybe I'm just behind the times.

Hum, if it bugs you that much why then stick around? Why even go through this thread and bother to reply? Just sayin... Read the description of the Clubhouse in the rule and you will see it does not have to be audio related....

TECHNOKID

heiney9 wrote: »

Imagine you are Judge Judy, who would she be yelling at, you or him? My guess is him and since a lot of time has passed and he is unreachable she would be on your side if you sold them.

In these types of legal cases I always think, "What Would Judge Judy do?"

Hum, I like that way of thinking, never occured to me.

tonyb

Sid, I would say send him a letter at the last known addy...certified, so that someone has to sign for it, stateing your intentions. This gives you some legal footing of notification, if still no answer after a couple weeks, sell it off.

Joe08867

decal wrote: »

I think you should grow up and handle your problems on your own. I don't understand why anyone would resort to an internet forum, especially an audio forum, to try and solve their personal problems. It does seem to occur a lot here. Maybe I'm just behind the times.

Maybe he just wanted an opinion, without involving other friends in which case i would rather do it here than at home.

Maybe he feels we are his friends. I feel like you guys are friends. Is that bad?





Sonny: What's the matter?

Colagero: This guy Louie Dumps over here, you know, he owes me twenty dollars. It's been two weeks now, and every time he sees me, he keeps dodging me. He's becoming a real pain in the ****, should I crack him one or what?

Sonny: What have I been telling you, sometimes hurting someone ain't the answer. First of all, is he a friend of yours?

Colagero: No, I don't even like him.

Sonny: You don't even like him. There's your answer right there. Look at it this way, it cost you twenty dollars to get rid of him. Right? He's never gonna bother you again. He's never gonna ask you for money again. He's out of your life for 20 dollars. You got off cheap. Forget about it.

cfrizz

Life is about living, learning, and sharing those experiences with friends. Maybe just maybe with all of the combined experiences & knowledge that we all have on this board, we can pass along good information to others on here, whether if it's about audio, or life's problems.

Trey, try to check around to find out the legal ramifications of selling his stuff. If you can do it without having it come back to bite you, do so.

But you have learned the valuable lesson that I think we all learn at some point. Be extremely careful to whom you lend money to. Because nine times out of ten, you will never see that money or that so called friend again!

SolidSqual

If you wanted to be a real ****, send him a notice that you intend to charge fair market price for storing his stuff. Let it sit for several months. Then take him to small claims for back payments. Get a judgment lien against him and garnish his wages. Just saying . . .

heiney9

decal wrote: »

I think you should grow up and handle your problems on your own. I don't understand why anyone would resort to an internet forum, especially an audio forum, to try and solve their personal problems. It does seem to occur a lot here. Maybe I'm just behind the times.

Many of us long timers here know each other, correspond with each other and have met each other face to face. Many I consider long distance friends. While I don't typically air much personal stuff here, I can see why Sid (Trey) would since he's literally grown up on this forum.

If you choose not to post stuff like this, that's fine, but there are people who consider this a natural outlet since many of us know each other.

H9

VR3

Hey guys
I appreciate all of the advice. This is an odd issue for me so I appreciate the input.

Thanks

WilliamM2

What type of items are they? Can he even prove they are/were his? If not, sell them.

inspiredsports

Is the catalyst for this thread coming from you, or pressure from someone else to collect or clean up the items lying around?

If at one time this person was a good enough friend to have left the stuff at your place, and as you said above the amount owed is significant enough to warrant this thread, I personaly would wait it out if I could. It sounds like this person might be down on their luck right about now.

On the other hand, if you are strapped for the cash or the stuff is in the way and causing problems with a spouse/girlfriend/etc., I like the Judge Judy logic above and you are probably within your rights to sell. You should make every attempt to contact before selling.