Did anyone see this game?

inspiredsports

Wow!

This umpire took the liberty of making a really bad call to get the 19 inning, 6+ hour game over with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_o4LHIQs-0

The tag was so complete, if the baseball was poison ivy, that base runner would literally be covered from head to toe :biggrin:

I don't think I can remember a more blatant bad call.

cubdog

The runner was more surprised than the catcher.

cubdog

tonyb

Wow, wasn't even close.

zombie boy 2000

I made it to the top of the 16th and had to go to bed. Funny thing is I was supposed to go to this game, but changed plans at the last minute.

Yeah... the call was BS, but they all even out over a 162 game season.

DMara

Both teams and even the audiences should thank that umpire for making that call :biggrin:

ROHfan

inspiredsports wrote: »

Wow!

This umpire took the liberty of making a really bad call to get the 19 inning, 6+ hour game over with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_o4LHIQs-0

The tag was so complete, if the baseball was poison ivy, that base runner would literally be covered from head to toe :biggrin:

I don't think I can remember a more blatant bad call.

Runner was safe. The tag went AROUND and OVER the runner but did not make contact. Look at it again with this in mind. Good call, blue!

exalted512

ROHfan wrote: »

Runner was safe. The tag went AROUND and OVER the runner but did not make contact. Look at it again with this in mind. Good call, blue!

he hit him in the leg.
-Cody

ROHfan

exalted512 wrote: »

he hit him in the leg.
-Cody

I dunno, ex, I don't see that. Looks like he is clearly missed. I did see the catcher touch him with his non-glove hand after the phantom tag, but not sure if that makes him out.

zombie boy 2000

I think it's been established the tag was made. However... further replays have shown that it was not NEARLY as obvious as it initially appeared. Yes, the throw beat him by a country mile. Closer inspection shows he did not tag Lugo's arm and BARELY tagged Lugo's leg. However, the fact that the ball beat the runner by so much only adds fuel to the fire.

ROHfan

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

I think it's been established the tag was made. However... further replays have shown that it was not NEARLY as obvious as it initially appeared. Yes, the throw beat him by a country mile. Closer inspection shows he did not tag Lugo's arm and BARELY tagged Lugo's leg. However, the fact that the ball beat the runner by so much only adds fuel to the fire.

Look at 1:29-1:31. Blue was in perfect position to see. Looks like the glove grazed the leg at best.

billbillw

Y'all know that the umpire admitted to getting the call wrong, don't you? He came out and said it about an hour after the game was over.

It was a close play, just brushing his leg. Umpires make mistakes sometimes. After 19 innings, I'm sure he was tired as well.

Like Zombie said, over the course of a season, these sort of things happen to every team.

m1aman

That is nothing compared to what Don Denkinger called in the 85 WS.

VR3

I dont think he tagged him. If you watch the end of that video in the slo-mo I can't see anything that shows a definite tag.

billbillw

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

I dont think he tagged him. If you watch the end of that video in the slo-mo I can't see anything that shows a definite tag.

Except for his pant leg getting ruffled by the tag. The video linked is such poor quality, it doesn't stand out, but when I saw the replays on TV, it was clear. It was obvious to the umpire as well, which is why he admitted to getting it wrong!

exalted512

I can see clearly the shock on the runner's face when they say he's safe...I doubt he'd have that look if he knew he didn't get tagged.
-Cody

zombie boy 2000

Again... I think think very few people are disputing the fact that he was out. It just wasn't as obvious as everyone is making it out to be. In reality, it was extremely close to being an outstanding call (if that makes any sense) - as the ump seemed to be the only one aware of how close it really was.

tommyboy

ROHfan wrote: »

Look at 1:29-1:31. Blue was in perfect position to see. Looks like the glove grazed the leg at best.

Grazed the leg is still out buddy

Jstas

OK, Imma weigh in here. First off, the ump has to SEE the tag to make the call. If you notice where the runner is positioned in relation to the ump and the catcher making the tag it is very reasonable that the ump did not actually see the tag. From the ground level angle where the ump is standing, that would have looked like a massive whiff.

Now, aside from that, where, exactly, are the Pirates going this season? They are almost 2 games behind the Brewers in their division and they have Cardinals standing between them and the Brewers. Both the Brewers and Cards are real deal teams and it's going to be a fight to the finish between the two. The Pirates are young and after decades of losing, hungry as all get out. But they don't have it this year. They might be 2 games out of first with 2 of the tops teams in the NL ahead of them but what's worse is that they aren't even in the running for a Wild Card berth right now being almost 7 games out of contention for that as well. So if I'm an ump, presiding over a 6.5 hour game in Hotlanta a week before August and I just want the agony to end in the 19th inning, I'm making a bad call that favors the team that actually has a chance. Not that that is right or even acceptable but the umps are human and imperfect which is what keeps the game pure I think. Sometimes you end up with crap calls that piss everybody off but you have to look at it seriously and honestly and sometimes it's just what it is.

That said, WTF Braves? You can't put the Pirates away in 9 innings? you have to play an entire extra game WITH extra innings and win on a bum call? THEN you go and do it again the very next game as you stretch it out to 10 innings? C'mon! You ain't gonna get in the playoffs with showings like that, my friend. No way, no how.

tommyboy

Jstas wrote: »

OK, Imma weigh in here. First off, the ump has to SEE the tag to make the call. If you notice where the runner is positioned in relation to the ump and the catcher making the tag it is very reasonable that the ump did not actually see the tag. From the ground level angle where the ump is standing, that would have looked like a massive whiff.

Obiously he didn't see the tag or he would have called it. Whats your point. Since he was in a bad spot that makes it ok?

Jstas wrote: »

Now, aside from that, where, exactly, are the Pirates going this season? They are almost 2 games behind the Brewers in their division and they have Cardinals standing between them and the Brewers. Both the Brewers and Cards are real deal teams and it's going to be a fight to the finish between the two. The Pirates are young and after decades of losing, hungry as all get out. But they don't have it this year. They might be 2 games out of first with 2 of the tops teams in the NL ahead of them but what's worse is that they aren't even in the running for a Wild Card berth right now being almost 7 games out of contention for that as well. So if I'm an ump, presiding over a 6.5 hour game in Hotlanta a week before August and I just want the agony to end in the 19th inning, I'm making a bad call that favors the team that actually has a chance. Not that that is right or even acceptable but the umps are human and imperfect which is what keeps the game pure I think. Sometimes you end up with crap calls that piss everybody off but you have to look at it seriously and honestly and sometimes it's just what it is.

That said, WTF Braves? You can't put the Pirates away in 9 innings? you have to play an entire extra game WITH extra innings and win on a bum call? THEN you go and do it again the very next game as you stretch it out to 10 innings? C'mon! You ain't gonna get in the playoffs with showings like that, my friend. No way, no how.

I'm not a big pirates fan even though I'm from Pittsburgh (mainly cause they have been losing for pretty much my entire life), but to say, "well they are two games out and have no chance anyways so Its ok" (even though they were in first place when this happened), I mean come on. You don't really know baseball if you don't realize pitching is the most important thing, and thats whats going for the pirates right now.

This is something that replay would obviously help out with. I'm not saying use it for balls and strikes, just for very close calls at the bases and HRs.

zombie boy 2000

The Braves are definitely getting in the playoffs. The question is how far they will go in the postseason. It's a shame we lost the Beltran sweepstakes. They wanted a pitching prospect (of which the Braves have four stellar arms in the minors). You think with their starting rotation as established as it is, they could have come off of someone. Especially since Wren all but guaranteed that the Braves would add a big bat before the deadline.

Now with McCann out for two weeks, you'd think the issue would be even more pressing. My guess is they trade for Upton in the next two days. Either Arodys Vizcanaino and cash or Mike Minor should be offered. I know the Mets wanted one of those two (or Teheran), but Beltran would have been a half-year loaner. I believe Upton is signed through next year. Don't want a repeat of the Teixeira fiasco.

Jstas

tommyboy wrote: »

Obiously he didn't see the tag or he would have called it. Whats your point. Since he was in a bad spot that makes it ok?

I made my point, learn to read.

Pirates suck. Always have, always will.

zombie boy 2000

At least the ump got this call right...
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Jstas

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

The Braves are definitely getting in the playoffs. The question is how far they will go in the postseason. It's a shame we lost the Beltran sweepstakes. They wanted a pitching prospect (of which the Braves have four stellar arms in the minors). You think with their starting rotation as established as it is, they could have come off of someone. Especially since Wren all but guaranteed that the Braves would add a big bat before the deadline.

Now with McCann out for two weeks, you'd think the issue would be even more pressing. My guess is they trade for Upton in the next two days. Either Arodys Vizcanaino and cash or Mike Minor should be offered. I know the Mets wanted one of those two (or Teheran), but Beltran would have been a half-year loaner. I believe Upton is signed through next year. Don't want a repeat of the Teixeira fiasco.

Don't even remind me about Teixeira! The ups, the downs, the anxiety as a Phillies fan of what it would mean...yeah, it was just as horrible to witness as a non-Braves fan.

I honestly thought Beltran was going to Atlanta and someone there would relinquish and spring for it. That's been the thing that's kept the Braves from standing toe to toe with the Phillies. They have lots of consistent, productive hitters but not many big bats at all. Nobody that strikes fear in to pitchers and makes them change their strategy and upset the apple cart under certain batting and base running situations.

That's been a hallmark of the Phillies the past few years. They can unnerve a pitcher with one good on-base play. Then they load up bases and the opponent pulls the pitcher for a reliever who is going in to a "Oh F#@%&quot; situation and behind the 8-ball to begin with. Then they start peppering the reliever, score a bunch of points and make a comeback. The other team rarely stands a chance because the Phils have a deeeeep bullpen.


Speaking of bullpens, Lidge pitched again last night for an inning. Looked REAL good, like 2008 form good. And how about that Worley kid? I almost don't want Oswalt to come back yet just so I can watch him throw some more.

zombie boy 2000

I'd say the only thing keeping the Phils ahead of the Braves is hitting. I'd give a slight edge to Philly with the starting rotation and reverse it with the bullpen. Good Lord, Venters and Kimbrel are a lethal combination for the 8th and 9th...

Jstas

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

I'd say the only thing keeping the Phils ahead of the Braves is hitting. I'd give a slight edge to Philly with the starting rotation and reverse it with the bullpen. Good Lord, Venters and Kimbrel are a lethal combination for the 8th and 9th...

Well, the Phils bullpen is still pretty deep and we're talking the difference between two top pitching staffs here, you know? But you're right, the Phils bullpen is young and the ones with the most experience have been injured. But Lidge is back and Contreras is could start rehab pitching next week if the injection they gave him to help his arm along works. If Lidge doesn't flake like he did last year he's still a reliever to be feared. I think Contreras is very under-rated as a reliever too. But they have some good talent that's growing in the bullpen. Bastardo has gotten much more consistent and Herndon doesn't seem to get as flustered anymore.

But I'll admit, the Braves bullpen reads like an all-star list. If they had the big bats, it'd be a much closer race in the NL East. It could still end up that way.

zombie boy 2000

Jstas wrote: »

But I'll admit, the Braves bullpen reads like an all-star list.

Probably because it IS an All-Star list On a side note - besides having the name of a lucha libre wrester, Bastardo is flat-out awesome.

zombie boy 2000

double post

Jstas

You can hate the Phillies even more now.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110729&content_id=22477548&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi

They just robbed Houston of Pence.

zombie boy 2000

They just robbed Atlanta of Pence. No biggie... Houston was looking for two of Atlanta's top four pitching prospects plus another arm. They already established that they weren't even going to come off one of those prospects for Beltran, so no big surprise there.

I still see Upton going north to Atlanta this weekend.

Shizelbs

I think it was a pretty close call.

Jstas

Well, Upton didn't move and the Braves took Bourn instead.