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  • mudwrx
    mudwrx Posts: 367
    edited June 2011
    DMara wrote: »
    The matter of fact is nobody stops him from flying the flag. They just don't want him to put up a huge pole in the middle of the neighborhood.

    It's obviously always a hot topic when something like this comes up.

    I'll always side with those wanting to show the flag, however even I will tend to agree everyone needs to be reasonable. If he is trying to put a huge pole out there he should also come to a better solution.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2011
    so what happens when you move in and rules change and prices go up after the fact? Do you automatically have to adhere to those rules / prices or are you 'grandfathered' in?
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • Zeros
    Zeros Posts: 940
    edited June 2011
    exalted512 wrote: »
    so what happens when you move in and rules change and prices go up after the fact? Do you automatically have to adhere to those rules / prices or are you 'grandfathered' in?
    -Cody

    As far as I know, you have to pay the same as everyone else. If they go up, you pay them. Its only fair if everyone is contributing the same for stuff like retention pond maintenance, lawn care for general areas and so on.
    My Basement / Home Theater Room
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2011
    exalted512 wrote: »
    so what happens when you move in and rules change and prices go up after the fact? Do you automatically have to adhere to those rules / prices or are you 'grandfathered' in?
    -Cody

    It's usually voted on by association members and in a democracy, majority rules. There is no place on earth where rules don't change and prices don't go up. If you buy in an area with a HOA, expect things to change over time and costs to increase. You always have to option to move somewhere else if you don't like it anymore.

    I admit, Madmax's case might be a bit extreme to go from $150 to $1650.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • bruss
    bruss Posts: 1,039
    edited June 2011
    nobody in our sub division listens to or respects our HOA. We have a nice pool and pay a decent yearly fee, but ill never ask them before i do anything.

    We have a no pools statement in our HOA. Low and behold the housing market gets slow and the 1 new house the builder sells in 6 months gets a pool blessed? Oh yeah the builder still runs the HOA.... I could care less if they have a pool. Im happy for them and hope we become BFFs so i can swim in their pool. Its just lame.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited June 2011
    I blindly ignore all that is known because of the unknown, these things are the foundate of Rabbit Hole Crossings, beware.

    I am RT1.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,714
    edited June 2011
    ^^^ And that sage advice will be duly recorded in my book, "Wisdom of the Ages and Sages".

    ...and at some point in the future, I will work to figure out exactly what it meant. :wink::smile:
    Sal Palooza
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited June 2011
    The guy should enlist the help of the man in this story......(warning: some colorful language on the site)

    HOA

    The guy has a gift, and it's damn funny.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,611
    edited June 2011
    LINM - that was... great
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Outfitter03
    Outfitter03 Posts: 563
    edited June 2011
    DMara wrote: »
    They just don't want him to put up a huge pole in the middle of the neighborhood.


    Wouldn't want any of this going on in the neighborhood!:eek:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,500
    edited June 2011
    LessisNevermore wrote: »
    The guy should enlist the help of the man in this story......(warning: some colorful language on the site)

    HOA

    The guy has a gift, and it's damn funny.

    Having spent time in and around Massanutten I can say he pretty much nailed it. Beautiful country tho.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited June 2011
    What happens if you buy a house, the HOA fees go up and you tell them to shove it? Can you be kicked out of your house?
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited July 2011
    Airplay355 wrote:
    What happens if you buy a house, the HOA fees go up and you tell them to shove it? Can you be kicked out of your house?

    No, but they have the right to put a lien on your house for the amount of the unpaid HOA fees, plus past due fees, plus interest, legal fees, etc (you gave them the right to do that when you bought the house...IF...it was part of the deed restrictions). Technically they could foreclose to collect their debt...but they would have to pay off any superior liens. Not paying is not a good idea if you have no mortgage...because it would then it would be very easy for them to start foreclosure...they would simply have to bid in their debt. Even if they never foreclose, it will be a problem if you go to sell or refinance or try to get a HELOC. They WILL collect from the proceeds of the sale or prevent a refinance or new mortgage until they collect the funds.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited July 2011
    shack wrote: »
    No, but they have the right to put a lien on your house for the amount of the unpaid HOA fees, plus past due fees, plus interest, legal fees, etc (you gave them the right to do that when you bought the house...IF...it was part of the deed restrictions). Technically they could foreclose to collect their debt...but they would have to pay off any superior liens. Not paying is not a good idea if you have no mortgage...because it would then it would be very easy for them to start foreclosure...they would simply have to bid in their debt. Even if they never foreclose, it will be a problem if you go to sell or refinance or try to get a HELOC. They WILL collect from the proceeds of the sale or prevent a refinance or new mortgage until they collect the funds.

    We have had some cases where they have claimed priority over a 1st lien and still won the case, costly for them to do so, but its happened (and its a pain in the butt to fight).

    HOA's never go away easily. Pay the money as it does make things a lot easier down the road. We fight with HOA's at times and its never cheap and they will often win. Unless you have money to burn, go for it, otherwise just pay your dues and move.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,004
    edited July 2011
    As much as I love the American flag and as much as I'd like to kick myself in the rear for saying this, he should follow the rules. He always has the option to hang it on his house. My HOA states it in the rules that a flag can only be hung on July 4th. No other time. He should consider himself lucky and quit whining. Rules are rules and they are there for a reason.

    This is why I back such a strict policy on this rule, even though the thought of him not being able to proudly display the flag makes me initially cringe....

    Let's say that the HOA makes an exception or changes the community rules on this one. The very next time someone else wants to do it, it is perfectly OK. 3rd guy, no problem. 3 years pass and all parties are completely happy. The next year, some of the homeowners/tenants would like to proudly display a Colombian flag, a Chinese flag and a Guatemalan flag along with more flags that support their religious and/or sports interests. A flag is a flag and they are just as proud about their flag as we are with ours.

    If the board changes their mind after this starts happening? It's too late. Maybe he should think about the possible consequences of the exception/variance or whatever it is that he's demanding [didn't read the article] and consider his neighbors and the future for once. Not to mention what might happen to property values.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2011
    Used to live in a condo complex with HOA....the 'committee' members were mostly composed 'rule ****' who delighted in imposing more and more restrictive rules to mold the complex into what they perceived was 'right and proper'.

    We moved - got a house w/ no HOA and I can work on my bike or car in the garage with the door up, flying the American flag, while the family watches satellite with an 8ft dish on the top of my house.

    And the guy next to me can park his power boat in his driveway, and the family on the other side can paint their house in 'monkey poo'.

    Ain't it good to live w/o HOA? Hell yes!

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited July 2011
    I'd like to try that monkey poo finish, any idea where I can buy some?:biggrin:
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited July 2011
    I'll make you some gdb ;)

    So what is the appeal of an HOA then? Are the neighborhoods nicer by a big margin?
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,004
    edited July 2011
    Airplay355 wrote: »
    So what is the appeal of an HOA then? Are the neighborhoods nicer by a big margin?
    It depends on the individual HOA. We have not had a price increase, only decreases in the 7 years ours has been formed and the board is [in general] a good one. That said, they have a tendency to pick on some folks that are not worthy of being picked on while turning a blind eye to those who are friends of the board. It BS but I'm sure it happens everywhere.

    Then you have HOA boards that increase the prices almost every year and they deny every request, create BS fines and are otherwise a pain in the neighborhoods butt. HOA's are supposed to look out for the community and in some cases [like ours], it works. Others? Not so much. They live to rule and make rules.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • Gartaka832
    Gartaka832 Posts: 2
    edited July 2011
    Thanks a lot
    medyumlar
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2011
    Gartaka832 wrote: »
    Thanks a lot

    Die spammer...die....reported.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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