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obieone
obieone Posts: 5,077
edited July 2011 in The Clubhouse
How many of these HOA stories have popped up in the past 10 years? And what ALWAYS happens?:rolleyes:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/26/us-veteran-faces-legal-action-for-flying-american-flag/?test=latestnews


Nice timing too:wink:
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2011
    Yeah I saw that this weekend. My goal is to find a place that is HOA free when I buy.

    I know a guy whose HOA wouldnt allow him to install a very nice expensive basketball goal with glass backboard, ect which would look quite nice.

    Instead they told him to buy one of those cheap plastic water filled base kind so it was "removable", which we all know they come out all summer, look crappy, break and then sit. Meanwhile half the rest of the neighborhood had the same thing. He just got crapped on because he asked their permission first.....
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  • mudwrx
    mudwrx Posts: 367
    edited June 2011
    The American Flag should not be questioned anywhere or anytime someone wants to display it in this country.

    What is wrong with these places and people that do not want the flag displayed?
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2011
    What is wrong with people that don't read the rules of their HOA before they buy their homes? This is EXACTLY why we turned down houses that were under HOA's.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2011
    exalted512 wrote: »
    What is wrong with people that don't read the rules of their HOA before they buy their homes? -Cody

    I agree, but as stated before I have seen many instances where HOA's are wishy washy in enforcing the rules, or enforcing some but not others. However I think this one is probably making a stand on the wrong issue and should probably just give the guy a variance, or amend the rules regarding flag displays. That one makes no sense.

    Like you said I plan on making a community with a HOA a last option. And if where I end up buying wants to create one, lobby strongly against it.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited June 2011
    exalted512 wrote: »
    What is wrong with people that don't read the rules of their HOA before they buy their homes? This is EXACTLY why we turned down houses that were under HOA's.
    -Cody

    Bing. I don't agree with the rule either, but he did agree to it when he moved there.
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  • Zeros
    Zeros Posts: 940
    edited June 2011
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    Yeah I saw that this weekend. My goal is to find a place that is HOA free when I buy.

    I know a guy whose HOA wouldnt allow him to install a very nice expensive basketball goal with glass backboard, ect which would look quite nice.

    Instead they told him to buy one of those cheap plastic water filled base kind so it was "removable", which we all know they come out all summer, look crappy, break and then sit. Meanwhile half the rest of the neighborhood had the same thing. He just got crapped on because he asked their permission first.....

    Our HOA did this recently for a homeowner. Our rule states that the backboard must be behind the front setback of the house, which is the forward most point of your dwelling (towards the street). So the home owner bought a portable one that can be moved. The bottom line is that you need to read the rules and follow them, even if you don't agree with them, if you want to live here. I don't like the rule about the flag as I think you should be able to fly it anywhere you like, but if that was the rule and the homeowner was made aware when he/she bought their home, then they have to follow them. All in my opinion , of course.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,611
    edited June 2011
    I think the issue is where has is flying the flag (on a pole) - they said he could fly a flag, maybe it is smaller - but on his house
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited June 2011
    As a military man he of all people should understand following the rules. He agreed to them when he purchased his home (or at least to recognize the authority of the HOA). No one forced him to purchase the home. If he is hoping to get the rules changed, then he should go through the appropriate channels, ie: petitioning the HOA for a waiver or a change in the rules. If that is unsuccessful, then he should follow the rules and place a flagpole on his home and proudly display his flag. While his intent may be honorable, he is not exempt just because of his intent.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited June 2011
    shack wrote: »
    No one forced him to purchase the home. If he is hoping to get the rules changed, then he should go through the appropriate channels, .........

    Which is why it is on Fox News. :rolleyes:
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited June 2011
    BlueFox wrote:
    Which is why it is on Fox News. :rolleyes:

    I guess that is now the appropriate channel...If one doesn't get their way...whine to the media.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited June 2011
    Don't get me wrong...the man should be able to fly the American flag...and he can...just not in the manner HE WANTS. I think the HOA in this instance has made a good faith effort to accomodate him. If the majority of his neighbors want to waive the regulations to let him do it the way HE WANTS...it is their right to do so. But it is also their right to ask him to follow the rules and regulations.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited June 2011
    Yeah.... and then what'll happen if he has neo-**** neighbors that want to fly their flag too? I bet the guy is just bored,lookin for trouble/attention, trolling, if you will.
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited June 2011
    shack wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong...the man should be able to fly the American flag...and he can...just not in the manner HE WANTS. I think the HOA in this instance has made a good faith effort to accomodate him. If the majority of his neighbors want to waive the regulations to let him do it the way HE WANTS...it is their right to do so. But it is also their right to ask him to follow the rules and regulations.

    agreed. If you agree to the HOA terms and conditions then you should read and follow their rules they set forth. Even though it seems horrible due to what they are preventing but they are still allowing it on his home, which to me would be good and also allowing it at the front of the community seems to me more than fair.

    No one forces someone where to live, that is by choice. if you don't like the rules of that said place, then you can choose to move.
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    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited June 2011
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    agreed. If you agree to the HOA terms and conditions then you should read and follow their rules they set forth. Even though it seems horrible due to what they are preventing but they are still allowing it on his home, which to me would be good and also allowing it at the front of the community seems to me more than fair.

    No one forces someone where to live, that is by choice. if you don't like the rules of that said place, then you can choose to move.[/QUOTE]

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited June 2011
    While I agree some of the standards are stupid, you do have the option to walk away. We were looking at a house on 40 acres...Guess what...NO ATV's, NO SHOOTING---what? We waved bye-bye. I'm not buying 40 acres so someone else can dictate to me what I can, or cannot do on it.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2011
    What do people do with 40 acres and no atv's and no shooting? haha.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited June 2011
    exalted512 wrote: »
    What do people do with 40 acres and no atv's and no shooting? haha.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2011
    Who has a pot farm without guns?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2011
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Bing. I don't agree with the rule either, but he did agree to it when he moved there.

    Absolutely. Just because it's a flag doesn't mean he gets special treatment. It borders on the issue of entitlement. Rules are rules, either find a way to change the rules or move where you don't have those rules.

    He knew them when he moved in, and if he didn't then it's his fault for not knowing them. If you are going to buy a piece of property that is goverened by a HOA, be prepared to abide by it.

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,957
    edited June 2011
    shack wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong...the man should be able to fly the American flag...and he can...just not in the manner HE WANTS. I think the HOA in this instance has made a good faith effort to accomodate him. If the majority of his neighbors want to waive the regulations to let him do it the way HE WANTS...it is their right to do so. But it is also their right to ask him to follow the rules and regulations.

    Pretty much sums it up. Couldn't agree more. Let me take the situation a step further.
    How many actually look at your own towns rules and regulations before buying a home ? I know I didn't, most probably don't too. You'd be surprised the little things that are law you will never know untill you break them thinking something is your right as an american home owner. We have towns here that dictate the color of your drapes, roof,siding, etc. How many cars you can have in the driveway, even the amount of garbage cans allowed. How many pets and what kind, who can't burn brush, and so on. Heck, wasn't it Washington state that said you can't wash your own car in your driveway awhile back ?

    I guess what I'm trying to say is don't assume because you own a piece of property that you can do whatever you wish with it, be it as a homeowners association or not. That property is governed by rules from your local town, township, county, and state, and of coarse the big dog,federal law. I dare you to keep track of all the little tidbits that govern what you can and can't do.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited June 2011
    all he needs to do is weld a cable to the pole from the house and nail it, affixed. HOA's boards are for people who need to tell other people how to live, ....much like Club Polk, personally, I would suggest the man hang a gaggle of nooses from the house affixed cable sporting Jane Fonda dolls.

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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited June 2011
    No matter how patriotic I am, and how much I love to rebel against authority, he shouldn't have expected that the HOA rules would apply to everyone but him. If he really feels strongly about it then he should get himself elected to the HOA board and start lobbying for a change to the rules. But of course that would be much more work and diplomacy than just calling a hungry for a story reporter and screaming about how he should be able to fly the flag anyway he wants.
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    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited June 2011
    RT1 brings up an excellent point. Rules are really for those that are not creative enough to find a loophole.
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  • aviator
    aviator Posts: 159
    edited June 2011
    No HOA where I live, nor would I live where there is such a thing.

    There was a deed restriction and only one, prohibiting raising hogs, not cows, horses, sheep or goats, just hogs.

    The restriction was only valid for 40 years, so now anyone that wants could have pigs -- I've yet to see any tho' and that's a shame, I've always wanted to try cooking one.
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  • mudwrx
    mudwrx Posts: 367
    edited June 2011
    Flying the American flag in the USA should supersede any rules of a HOA.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited June 2011
    my neighbor's wife is smoking hot, man, I wish I could see her stretch out a bit and work some flag ropes every morning with her baby dolls clinging, her morning stroll to check the mail ain't bad though...ahhh...God Bless America!!

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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited June 2011
    mudwrx wrote: »
    Flying the American flag in the USA should supersede any rules of a HOA.

    Why? That would seem to contradict the what the flag represents.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2011
    mudwrx wrote: »
    Flying the American flag in the USA should supersede any rules of a HOA.

    No it shouldn't, why is he or the flag special? Especially since he had every opportunity to familiarize himself with the HOA rules before he bought the place.

    This is exactly the type of thinking that causes so many issues in society, entitlement. No one feels the rules are for them especially if it's for a good cause, yada, yada, yada.

    I'm as patriotic as anyone, but if those are the rules, then just blindly ignoring them is ignorant and self serving.

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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited June 2011
    The matter of fact is nobody stops him from flying the flag. They just don't want him to put up a huge pole in the middle of the neighborhood.
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    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited June 2011
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    all he needs to do is weld a cable to the pole from the house and nail it, affixed. RT1

    Exactly.

    Unfortunately where I chose to live has a HOA. They don't seem to bother people much and its not overly expensive but all that can change. When I moved in my old house which also had HOA it was about 150 per year and no one bothered you. By the time I moved 15 years later it was $1650 per year and they were consistantly bothering everyone. Where I live now about 95% of the homes are in HOA areas and the ones which are not are pretty crappy places. HOA's have a place when it comes to keeping people from doing stupid things in most cases.
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