Man gets fired after wife gets cancer
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I'll tell you this, if I worked for this company and they did this to another associate of mine then the first thing I would do is find another job. Then there's the moral aspect....you know what?Why would any business not do this exact same thing? It makes complete sense from business point of view.
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Why would any business not do this exact same thing? It makes complete sense from business point of view. This woman's bills are going to cost a fortune and the business saw an opportunity to avoid paying their part. Smart move, now the company can stay profitable and keep the other employees employed.
Its completely legal (different rules apply to larger companies) and a brutal example of the ups and downs of capitalism. Sometimes you are just unlucky in life and totally screwed, even if you work hard and are a decent person.
Sucks to be them.
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I'll tell you this, if I worked for this company and they did this to another associate of mine then the first thing I would do is find another job. Then there's the moral aspect....you know what?
Well said. Companies have a social responsibility too. This isn't China were there is almost no worker's rights.
The youtube video linked on page 1 has someone saying that a small company is allowed to do this because, since they are small, they can't cope with someone being out of work for too long. However, clearly the husband said he was willing to work afterhours, and he was looking for flexibility in his schedule. This company is evil because it didn't want to be flexible AT ALL for someone in a very difficult situation.
To give a happy thought to this real crappy story... I have someone in my church that works for a small company and experienced some severe medical problems. There was something wrong with his spinal cord. He had a seizure and could barely walk. He was the company's only accountant. They allowed him reduced hours and allowed him to work from home when he could. 3 months later he was back to full-time again. See, not so hard for a small company to do what's right.
I hope this company's sales drops by at least half in the next month and are eventually forced to close their doors. Yes, more people would be unemployed, but it looks like in the long run they will be better off. -
No matter where one is located in the business world: behind a mahogany desk, in a cubicle, or on a factory floor, this action by Haynes "Management" is totally without honor.
Period. And that says it all.
But even if you suppose that Haynes "Management" is operating in a particularly baracuda, dog-eat-dog business world, this is still an extremely poor business decision.
"he had made it clear that he was willing to work nights and weekends to make up for the time he intended to spend taking his wife in for treatments and tests."
And his wife had only MONTHS to live.
If Haynes "Management" had done the honorable thing, then after Kathleen Sorabella had passed away, they would have had a business asset that is almost priceless: an employee named Carl Sorabella with a memory who would have been, IMO, the absolutely most dedicated, loyal, hard-working employee of Haynes "Management" bar none.
By the way, InspiredSports: Mega Thumbs Up for making that phone call.
It would be my hope that Mr. Sorabella's apparent qualities are recognized by other companies of similar quality in need of an accountant's services.
And that Haynes "Management" is ORC'd into oblivion.
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Really? That's ridiculous because her health insurance would front those costs. Not the company that her husband worked for. Smart move my ****. With all this negative publicity, I'd wager Haynes Management's days are numbered. This company missed an opportunity to do a good thing here and come out on top by helping one of it's own. But no, they sheister the guy after 14 years work.
Not necessarily true...
Many companies self-fund their health insurance plans...medical expenses incurred by their employees and dependents are billed directly to the company dollar for dollar and expensed from their financials...United Healthcare and Aetna merely administer the plans.
Even if a company is under a traditional health insurance plan, in which a set of rates are established and the company pays a fixed cost for the year, the company is indirectly affected by large medical claims. One year of large claims from a pool of employees and dependents can cause the rates to sky rocket the following year.
Firing someone because of the health claims of an employee or their beneficiaries is illegal.... Something like that is very hard to prove, unfortunately. There are always grey areas in which people can get away with things like that.
Unfortunately with healthcare reform driving employee benefit costs through the roof, and companies still struggling to pull themselves through this recession, its increasingly more expensive to keep people on the payroll....and when companies get backed into a corner, morality, at times, takes a back seat to sustainability.
I'm not saying that its right or defending these companies by any means....but unfortunately that's the reality of the American business climate right now.This is where Corporate America went wrong years ago, IMO. By not looking out for it's employees. There was a time when employers and fellow employees looked out for each other. Ya know, one hand washes the other kinda thing. This is just wrong for that company too let this guy go like that with his wife being ill. It's thinking like yours that helped put this country into the shape it's in now.
Might suck for Mr. & Mrs. Sorabella now, but it would suck worse to be like you and Haynes Management more. Go to Hell!
Unfortunately many companies really aren't in control of their own fate anymore. If they're not publicly traded and subjected to the scrutiny of shareholders, they're private equity owned....or part of a larger conglomerate pulling the strings, and trying to squeeze every ounce of efficiency out of the organization.
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The back peddling has begun.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/wellesley/news/x898071130/Haynes-Management-Inc-statement#axzz1PYOVBfDlPolitical Correctness'.........defined
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The back peddling has begun.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/wellesley/news/x898071130/Haynes-Management-Inc-statement#axzz1PYOVBfDl
Their statement is filled with misdirection. Not enough grovelling either.
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As much as I hate reading stories like this, I also hate people, particularly academics, painting corp. America with a wide brush.
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I don't think it's that as much as merely observing the work of the artist...
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I also hate people, particularly academics, painting corp. America with a wide brush.
Not to start anything here, but I've seen some pretty wide brush-painting from you on other topics.
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That was very well said.I don't think it's that as much as merely observing the work of the artist...
"We have a strong track record as an employer"
That's nice. The same could be said of Joseph Stalin. :rolleyes:
"Haynes Management is reaching out to our former employee to determine if there is a way we can be supportive to his family during this time."
"Hey Carl, this is Mr. Haynes. After work (You remember what that was, don't you Carl. HaHaHaHa ... Just kidding, buddy) I have to stop at the Quick Trip by the hospital to pick up a pack of smokes. Would you like me to pick anything up for you and Susan .... uh.... Betty ...... uhm .... Kathleen ? Don't worry, you won't have to pay me back. Until I get there. I'll save the receipt".
Haynes "Management"'s statement speaks for itself, IMO. My ranting and raving isn't very productive, so I'll shut up other than to say that if anyone comes across any kind of "Kathleen Fund", might be kind of cool to post it here.Sal Palooza -
Many years ago, but when my wife's father died of cancer, I needed to take a couple days off from work. I was driving buses for a tour company at the time. When I went back, the company owner called me into his office and read me the riot act, giving me some BS how everyone has problems, blah, blah, blah. I wanted to punch the a--hole, but instead told him to shove the job and his company and walked. A couple years later, I found out his wife had been diagnosed with ovarian cancer. Karma's a ****, but hey, we all got problems, right?
I would have sent him a card with "Get Well" scratched off and just said "Everyone has problems. Signed, Karma."
But then again, I'm an a$$hole and would've added a HAHA at the end.Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.
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