Can you identify this car?

Jstas

billbillw wrote: »

He isn't. The 2JZ-GTE is a legend. Way overbuilt and easy to boost like he said.

Here is one that took a built up Ford GT in a drag, both supposedly have 1000HP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD_HVpuRmwI

Meh. I'd expect the Supra to win. The dude himself said he was set up for drag racing plus he had at least 25 more horses and about 150 pounds less weight. That's about 2 tenths worth at the finish line and that was about how much he beat the GT by.

But, 1,000 horsepower and they could only manage mid-10's? There's traction problems for both cars there and likely driving skill has alot to do with that as well. A 3200 pound Mustang running 1,000 horsepower is in the high 8's on slicks.

sda2mike

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how long do parts aft of the engine last, with the abuse of 1000hp?:eek:

billbillw

Jstas wrote: »

Meh. I'd expect the Supra to win. The dude himself said he was set up for drag racing plus he had at least 25 more horses and about 150 pounds less weight. That's about 2 tenths worth at the finish line and that was about how much he beat the GT by.

But, 1,000 horsepower and they could only manage mid-10's? There's traction problems for both cars there and likely driving skill has alot to do with that as well. A 3200 pound Mustang running 1,000 horsepower is in the high 8's on slicks.

They were on street tires and I don't think either were really talented drivers. The talent in those forum wars was pretty weak for the most part.

billbillw

sda2mike wrote: »

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how long do parts aft of the engine last, with the abuse of 1000hp?:eek:

A lot longer than most stock engines from that era. 1000HP is at the higher end for those engines, but they can be very reliable running ~500HP.

Jstas

billbillw wrote: »

They were on street tires and I don't think either were really talented drivers. The talent in those forum wars was pretty weak for the most part.

Oh, I know. But then again, drag radials are D.O.T. approved tires and technically "street tires" as well and they would have gotten them well into the 9's at least.

I just hung around the races far too much. I see BS like that and it's just very disappointing. Especially when I can see obvious things to fix/change to improve. But at about 3600 pounds for each car and dropping 1000 horsepower they should be about 9.40's if the power levels are BHP at the flywheel and 8.90's if the power levels are at the wheels. Being almost 2 seconds off of where they should be makes me cringe. The macho bravado they seem to be exuding just makes it worse and I want to start badgering them about their horrible performance until they cry and get busted down a notch.

But pissing people off on the Internet is my favorite past time.

Sami

billbillw wrote: »

A lot longer than most stock engines from that era. 1000HP is at the higher end for those engines, but they can be very reliable running ~500HP.

500-600 is the reliable range for 2JZ and RB26 for "everyday" usage. 1300hp isn't unheard of. I think this car ran over 1400hp in a dyno back in the day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKl4nkMaphY&feature=related

Jstas

billbillw wrote: »

sda2mike wrote: »

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how long do parts aft of the engine last, with the abuse of 1000hp?:eek:

A lot longer than most stock engines from that era. 1000HP is at the higher end for those engines, but they can be very reliable running ~500HP.

Dude, he asked about parts after the engine.

The Supras are prone to breaking the clutches, axles and rear differentials. The transmissions can typically handle most of what you can throw at them But when you start getting in to the 700+ horsepower range, the engines are more likely to pop before they can break the transmission. But back in the late 90's and early 2000's when the "import tuner" scene was in full swing, there were Supra parts houses who didn't need to sell anything but rear axles and differentials to stay in business. You can beef them up though. The other issues is that with the high horsepower levels you need big boost levels. Boost levels high enough that they can actually create enough pressure to lift the cylinder head off of the block and stretch the head bolts out. The DSM cars had a similar problem with their turbo charged 4 cylinders when modified for insane power levels. What sucks about that is that once that happens, you get stress fractures and head warpage and you have to rebuild the engine. The really hot "race car" Supras were using billet heads with extra bolts machined in to hold them down. Even then, Supras and, well, most of the Japanese cars have a power ceiling that they just don't get past. There are not many at all in the 6-7 second range in drag racing and those that are have an engine built around the 2JZ-GTE specs but it's all custom made. You need displacement to support big power and a 3.0L I6 doesn't support much power at all when compared to it's American competition of 4.6L's or more.

As far as the GT, Ford lied. They don't make 550 horsepower. I saw, with my own two eyes, at JDM Engineering, a stock Ford GT from Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords lay down over 600 horsepower to the rollers. even if it was a factory freak that Ford tweaked for better magazine numbers, it was still making at least it's rated horsepower of 550 at the wheels. That means that car is already making between 700 and 800 horsepower out of the box. Getting 1000 horses out of it isn't a very impressive achievement in that respect so forgive me if I don't drink the Hennessey and other GT tuners Kool -Aid regarding that. But the GT was originally built for racing in mind and then the housing bubble burst destroying the economy completely and that kinda changed plans for Ford. So the GT can take a great deal of abuse. The weak points I've heard are clutches and shift linkages but those often break more often to driver inability/abuse than power levels. Don't see too many at the drag strip though. I've seen a bunch of them down at NJMP on the road courses beating up on 911's, Corvettes and BMWs though.

Jstas

Sami wrote: »

500-600 is the reliable range for 2JZ and RB26 for "everyday" usage. 1300hp isn't unheard of. I think this car ran over 1400hp in a dyno back in the day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKl4nkMaphY&feature=related

I've seen as much as 1900 out of a 2JZ but it had a massive turbo for the 2nd stage and was pushing about 42 pounds of boost. Plus, a billet cylinder head, o-ringed and everything and he was still getting pressure leaks and all kinds of problems with timing and detonation. He had one backfire that straightened the vanes on the first turbo in his sequential setup. I dunno if he ever got it straightened out. I know he dumped piles of money in to it. Was always angry and I never hung around him 'cause he had this giant chip on his shoulder about how much he thought domestics suck and how he was going to beat them. Even if you owned a Chevette, he'd still hate all over you if you tried to help him. So I said the hell with him and sat back to watch the failure show he put on at every race.

I saw a bunch of Supras, DSMs and Nissans back then I was working with a guy on his effort in drag radial classes and he was running a 466 cubic inch small block Ford with twin turbos and pushing out over 3300horsepower on 44 pounds of boost. Heads were 0'ringed with copper gaskets but he had zero problems holding boost. He used to enter at Hot Import Nights events as a way to test and tune but stay out of the competition's view and had Supras trying their damnedest to catch him. But the fastest ones were only in the mid 8's and he was already down in the 7.40-7.30 ranges on drag radials at the time. The competition got tighter when the changed over to 1/8th mile 'cause the imports just could catch the American iron running away from them at the big end.

Sami

I personally don't see either the Supra or the GT-R as drag race cars. As you said, their displacement isn't enough to compete with big block V8's. They were built for road racing, at least the GT-R was, and for that purpose they are excellent choices. I have always kept mine twin and have no desire to go over 600 to the wheels. I will be happy with 500 to the wheels and solid reliability to run a day at a road course.

Jstas

Sami wrote: »

I personally don't see either the Supra or the GT-R as drag race cars. As you said, their displacement isn't enough to compete with big block V8's. They were built for road racing, at least the GT-R was, and for that purpose they are excellent choices. I have always kept mine twin and have no desire to go over 600 to the wheels. I will be happy with 500 to the wheels and solid reliability to run a day at a road course.

Honestly, unless it's a full-on tube frame car like a Cup Car or an open wheel racer, a car based on a chassis meant for road use can't really use more than that anyway. It just can't put it down to the ground and control it effectively. Sure, big power is lots of bragging rights but there is a reason that a car with 1,000 horsepower in stock form runs a million bucks.

I've seen GT-R's, new and old, on more that a few road courses in the Northeast here and they aren't always pushing a whole lot more than stock power. Most find that putting 400-450 or so horses to the pavement gets the job done very well without destroying the balance of the car.

The GT-R's aren't porkers though. The Supras on the other hand, they were Toyota's statement car. They handled well but their copious amounts of weight made them ungainly in situations where you needed to make fast transitions. Even though they were only 3600 pounds, it was not uncommon for a Supra that had the necessary safety equipment (i.e.: roll cage, harnesses, fire suppression systems, etc...) to exceed 4,000 pounds. You could alleviate that by gutting it but you'd still be over 3500 pounds and it'd be unbearable on the street. In the classes you'd have to run for that level of modifications though, you're still 500-800 pounds heavier than everyone else and uncompetitive. The only places the Supra was really successful was the JTCC and other spec series in Japan. But at that point, those racing Supras were about as similar to a road going Supra as a Ford Taurus is compared to it's Cup Car representation.

I never understood the fascination with Supras aside from the power levels they could achieve because of that. The Nissans I could understand because even the porky 300ZX could be made quite light and not much work was needed for the chassis to be absolutely superb on those.

But drag racing, yeah, when a 35 year old Toyota Starlet with a 3-rotor engine out of a wrecked RX-7 is destroying a Supra in the 1/4 mile ya kinda get the hint that if you're trying to be competitive with a Supra, you might be barking up the wrong tree.