Can we have a computer section?

treitz3

heiney9 wrote: »

Ok Treitz, how do you get the digital files on the thumb drives and hard drives?...

I don't.

Quite simply, I listen to vinyl or any of the CD/XRCD/SACD formats. I could care less how to do all of that. Thing is, I have heard talk that bits are bits and jitter can be minimalized and reading errors can be oversampled creating a "better" copy and a boatload of other things that basically tell me it's the same thing as a CD.

Not once have I ever heard it. Close, yes. The same exact thing? no.

heiney9

treitz3 wrote: »

I don't.

Quite simply, I listen to vinyl or any of the CD/XRCD/SACD formats. I could care less how to do all of that. Thing is, I have heard talk that bits are bits and jitter can be minimalized and reading errors can be oversampled creating a "better" copy and a boatload of other things that basically tell me it's the same thing as a CD.

Not once have I ever heard it. Close, yes. The same exact thing? no.

All I'm saying is the internal computer processing of the digital data is not the culprit, it's the analog conversion and in some cases the final extraction of the digital data to the analog conversion (think USB processing) that is the issue if a person 1) uses inferior methods 2) doesn't understand how to avoid the pitfalls.

These exact same issues are found in cdp's, dvdp's as are found in computer audio extraction. Jitter, oversampling, reading errors, etc are all part of the equation of digital audio regardless of the vehicle used, even the much praised SACD players.

To always place a finger on the computer is very, very short sighted. All this is just a general statement using your post a springboard. I know you prefer analog and SACD. SACD has the exact same issues to deal with, some players deal with these issues better than others, just like every single other piece of digital audio gear.

H9

P.s. Hooking an iPod up to an internal sound card via the headphone jack is not what I'm speaking about. That will sound horrible. I'm talking about using the computer and a streaming device in the correct manner to avoid the typical digital music pitfalls.

BlueFox

Lasareath wrote: »

I never check each sub forum. I click on new posts and I skim through that and click on what interests me.

I have started doing that, but I have noticed that sometimes a thread is updated, but it does not show up in the new posts area for me.

madmax

If we had a seperate Digital Audio section we could keep the discussion about this digi-junk away from the real audiophiles in the 2 channel section. :biggrin:

Sherardp

Computer Audio is a good name for it. I usually skim through each sub forum daily anyway, not so much car audio though I will peep in there time to time. Hate it or love it, digital audio is here to stay anyway so we may as well make the best of it.

FTGV

A separate section for PC audio isn't a bad idea IMO.

heiney9 wrote: »

Fixed it for you. Is your post the kind of disinformation that would be in said new forum?

H9

That is a strong statement and smacks of arrogance if you are suggesting that everything you post is infallibly accurate.

heiney9

FTGV wrote: »

That is a strong statement and smacks of arrogance if you are suggesting that everything you post is infallibly accurate.

I get called on it, so explain to me why I can't call someone on it when I see it. Or are you the only one allowed to do that when you see fit? I have my strong opinions and my strong points of view. If you don't like it, put me on ignore.

H9

megasat16

heiney9 wrote: »

I get called on it, so explain to me why I can't call someone on it when I see it. Or are you the only one allowed to do that when you see fit? I have my strong opinions and my strong points of view. If you don't like it, put me on ignore.

H9

Short Fuse tonight, are we? :biggrin:

FTGV

heiney9 wrote: »

I get called on it, so explain to me why I can't call someone on it when I see it.

Offering correction/clarification in a tactful manner is one thing, doing it with a smug holier- than- thou attitude is another.

heiney9

megasat16 wrote: »

Short Fuse tonight, are we? :biggrin:

I didn't make the smarmy comment. I certainly don't intend to come off holier -than-thou but I can't help how people choose to interpret and read into my posts. I am passionate and sometimes that is taken as Fred seems to take it.

I have no ill will or anything against Fred, in fact, I think he's one of the most knowledgeable members here technically. If he see's me the way he states, I can't do anything about that and perhaps it's time he used the IL on me.

I feel he has has been on a minor persecution mission lately following all my posts and nit picking. I do that as well to posts, but I don't focus on a singular member like he seems to be doing. So yes, I have a short fuse.

Perhaps I'm just paranoid.

Carry on

H9

heiney9

FTGV wrote: »

Offering correction/clarification in a tactful manner is one thing, doing it with a smug holier- than- thou attitude is another.

Like I said, put me on the ignore list if it obviously rubs you so hard.

H9

treitz3

Alright, back to the subject at hand. How about taking a completely useless section and offering it to the computer audio crowd? The section I'm talking about is this;

Technical/Setup (9 Viewing)
Got a problem or a solution? Post it here

Since I have been a member here, this has been a waste. I completely agree that adding more forums is a detraction, becomes annoying and it is a fact that I [and obviously others] do not visit certain forums due to the novel I [we] have to read/navigate to find the forum I [we] want or are interested in. This forum, in my not so humble opinion, is just the right size as it is.

Some very valid points have been made and even though I may personally cringe at the thought of using a computer/ripping/squeezebox or what have you as a music medium, it apparently is the future....or at least a very large part of audio's future according to the trends we all see and industry leaders. Maybe this isn't such a bad idea, after all. Take it for what you will and have a good day, all of you.

renowilliams

heiney9 wrote: »

Ok Treitz, how do you get the digital files on the thumb drives and hard drives? By ripping them in that "oh so hostile computer environment". All the gobbly **** you mentioned about the computer is untrue since it's all digital, until the conversion to analog. That's the most important part of the computer based audio system and the more important part of a digital server or dac.

There are simple, fool proof, easily obtainable methods that render all your gobbly **** moot when using a computer as a digital source. The Bryston incorporates the same methods as can be incorporated to the analog processing of a computer to achieve the same thing.


Is the Bryston a great solution? absolutely. Is Bryston a great company? absolutely. Can the same results be achieved using a computer and music streamer? absolutely. Can the computer and associated music streamer be more cost effective? absolutely.

Is the Bryston more attractive? yes. Is the Bryston a conversation starter? yes. Will the Bryston and the money you spent on it make you feel all warm and fuzzy compared to a lowly computer which sits in another room? absolutely.

H9

+1 on what is said here. I stream video and music wirelessly from my network to my oppo, then through my Anthem pre/pro and I find this an excellect solution. I'm sure there is probably better and more expensive ways but this works for me.



Tim

Systems

I think it is a good idea.
I would like to get into computer based audio, but do not know enough about it to pull the trigger on anything.
Old and dumb, I could use the help, or at least lurk and learn.:biggrin:

megasat16

HTPC and Digital Streaming Forum sounds good to me.

arun1963

1. A simple search for threads with 'computer' in the title, yields 400 threads. Spread across various forums. Add threads that have 'Dell', 'Windows' etc and you're over 525.

2. Three existing forums have less than 500 posts total. Albeit two are on the car audio side :redface:.

3. CP is home and computers are a given. Do I really need to go somewhere else to get my issues addressed?

I think Mac has a case. The mods agree. Yet we have three pages of debate on how a computer forum will 'sully' the audiophile environment around here. As well as some really good facts on computer audio...:biggrin:

MacLeod

treitz3 wrote: »

Alright, back to the subject at hand. How about taking a completely useless section and offering it to the computer audio crowd? The section I'm talking about is this;

Technical/Setup (9 Viewing)
Got a problem or a solution? Post it here

Since I have been a member here, this has been a waste. I completely agree that adding more forums is a detraction, becomes annoying and it is a fact that I [and obviously others] do not visit certain forums due to the novel I [we] have to read/navigate to find the forum I [we] want or are interested in. This forum, in my not so humble opinion, is just the right size as it is.

Some very valid points have been made and even though I may personally cringe at the thought of using a computer/ripping/squeezebox or what have you as a music medium, it apparently is the future....or at least a very large part of audio's future according to the trends we all see and industry leaders. Maybe this isn't such a bad idea, after all. Take it for what you will and have a good day, all of you.

Im with ya on this. We could also do away with the Fabrication and Garage Sale forums on the car audio side. There is virtually no traffic there. You can sale stuff in the flea market and most install questions go into the CA&E forum. Actually, as slow as it is on the car audio side, you could make an argument to have only one forum over there. Even back in our hay day, 90% of the traffic was in the CA&E forum and only 10% in the Subwoofer forum.

So there are definitely some places to trim some fat to put a computer audio forum.

Jstas

OK, the tech setup forum is locked. It's an archive that is searchable for all kinds of useful stuff from this forum pre-vBulletin days.

Whether you think it's worth it or not, a good deal of hits on that forum come from Google searches and such. It does get used you just can't post anything there. That forum shouldn't go anywhere.

treitz3

John, most of that is outdated and irrelevant from what I have read over the years. Technology has progressed as well as the user [member] input being progressed since then. As far as the search goes, I would imagine that it will still be there just as older and archived threads have become from this forum. The fact that no one can post for current updates or observations makes it irrelevant to a member now. Combine the two and you have a useless forum that still exists for no reason, yet is still accessible to the masses.

FTGV

heiney9 wrote: »

Like I said, put me on the ignore list if it obviously rubs you so hard.

H9

You are a respected member and certainly contribute far more than I,but some of the responses to those with less experience that have posted inaccuracies have seemed rather harsh at times IMO.(Thus the reason for the periodic nit picking).

And that would be a no to the ignore list as I don't have one and hope to have positive exchanges with you in the future.

FTGV

arun1963 wrote: »

... a computer forum will 'sully' the audiophile environment around here.

Some will no doubt disagree but if done right computer audio IMO can be a superior 2 ch source .

Systems

FTGV wrote: »

You are a respected member and certainly contribute far more than I,but some of the responses to those with less experience that have posted inaccuracies have seemed rather harsh at times IMO.(Thus the reason for the periodic nit picking).

And that would be a no to the ignore list as I don't have one and hope to have positive exchanges with you in the future.

That was beautifully put FTGV.
I need this forum!
I would really like to get into this, but like I said earlier, dumber than box of hammers!:biggrin:
I would like to see this come about, for the older folks if nothing else.
May attract some more people to this forum also.

A name for this forum ya say?
How bout, L&L (lurk and learn!:biggrin:).

madmax

heiney9 wrote: »

Like I said, put me on the ignore list if it obviously rubs you so hard.

H9

No offense meant, but I don't know everything, many others don't, neither do you. You come across every time as absolute fact, no option as being an opinion. Maybe a warming of presentations would be nice. No, you are not on my ignore list. Warmest wishes.
madmax

Systems

madmax wrote: »

No offense meant, but I don't know everything, many others don't, neither do you. You come across every time as absolute fact, no option as being an opinion. Maybe a warming of presentations would be nice. No, you are not on my ignore list. Warmest wishes.
madmax

Agreed,
Well said!:biggrin:

Systems

Instead of leaving this hanging, I wanted to state that I have absolutely no beef with anyone (you included H9).
I have never even talked to you.
Dealing with people in a public forum requires a mild tact.
Dumber than hell (like me) or smarter than Einstein, I think we can all make this happen with some cooperation.
I for one respect your opinion on all matters computer related, but I can say, it will not be the final word in my research.
You have proven to me you know what you are talking about.
Just don't forget the little people, they need the help more than anyone!:biggrin:
On that note, I wish you the happiest of a Memorial day weekend!

Jstas

treitz3 wrote: »

John, most of that is outdated and irrelevant from what I have read over the years. Technology has progressed as well as the user [member] input being progressed since then. As far as the search goes, I would imagine that it will still be there just as older and archived threads have become from this forum. The fact that no one can post for current updates or observations makes it irrelevant to a member now. Combine the two and you have a useless forum that still exists for no reason, yet is still accessible to the masses.

It's not for YOU or the other members. You search for info on LS90's on Google and more than a couple links lead right to that forum. It's for posterity and the non-member looking for info.

madmax

pepster wrote: »

Instead of leaving this hanging, I wanted to state that I have absolutely no beef with anyone (you included H9).
I have never even talked to you.
Dealing with people in a public forum requires a mild tact.
Dumber than hell (like me) or smarter than Einstein, I think we can all make this happen with some cooperation.
I for one respect your opinion on all matters computer related, but I can say, it will not be the final word in my research.
You have proven to me you know what you are talking about.
Just don't forget the little people, they need the help more than anyone!:biggrin:
On that note, I wish you the happiest of a Memorial day weekend!

In the end, Memorial Day is so much more important than our petty disagreements! Best to all those who defended our right to say what we wish to say, whether it is against our government or our enemies. We have a lot to say about everything, and a right to do so. Not everyone has these rights. We need to be proud for these rights, and to fight for them! God bless America!
madmax