Long term HT Plan, opinions and advice needed
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Show your wife her favorite movie on that projector and she'll be happy
LOL.... w/e I just dont wanna think about watching lifetime or the hallmark movie network on a 100" screen.
Heck Dr. Phil on a 100 inch screen is not something I really want to be a part of lol...."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
what about a sub?
I guess I don't see the need to run towers for surrounds due to if you have a good sub (which for HT you should as that is going to go your LFE the best) the need for tower surrounds.
If you are doing a lot of SACD multi channel then it can be good to run towers, apart from that I feel its a bit of a waste. If you need to even out bass response look at two subs. If you are wanting something good for music and HT Polk MP4K, Epik ect. -
Dan.... when are you coming up to grab the sound panels? Anytime would be ok , but I don't think we are going to have much time to spend... All my gear has been boxed.:mad:
Have I ever told you that moving 2500 miles away SUCKS:mad:!The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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Good to hear that you have tried several different speakers, to each his own.
I saw a previous post about subs, I love rel t5's. To me they are the best at both music and ht.Harman kardon signature 2.1 amp
Denon 3312
Epson 8700ub
Chief mount
Screen Innovations Performance Series 110in
Kef q 500 (RL)
Kef q 200 (C)
Kef q 800 (Rear RL)
REL T7 (SUB)
mx 450 remote
Sonos-Amp, Connect, Play5 -
You cant go wrong with the Marantz AV 7005, in my opinion for the $ its a great pre/pro!!! Plus the wife likes it! I wouldn't worry about not having Audyssey XT32, unless your going to have two subs?TV:Sony Bravia XBR4 52'
Mains: Lsi m 705
C:Lsi m 706
Rears: Lsi m 703
Sub: Epik Empire
Pre:Marantz AV 7005
Amp:Sunfire TGA-7400
Blueray: Opp 93
A/V Component: Panamax M5100-PM
Cables: Signal Cable, White Zombie, MIT, Pepster's power cables -
I'm not a fan of towers in a surround role. Surround speakers work best (IMO) when mounted in a higher position. Since lower tones are less directional, I don't see the necessity for surround speakers to be able to reproduce sound as low as might be required up front. The LSi F/X, for example, are rated at @ 52Hz (lower -3dB). With a decent sub (If you really want great HT, invest in a great sub), and an 80 Hz crossover, towers don't benefit you at all as surrounds, and I think will detract from the ambient surround sound experience.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Once again, you prove that you know nothing of what you speak.:rolleyes:
There are only a few recievers capable of driving a 4ohm load on the mains, much less doing it on the surround channels.
'shadow... you are thinking correct about the amp choice. You heard what the Sunfire is capable of on the LSi's already, and it is a great match. I think a regular Cinema Grand 225/5 or the seven channel version would do just fine. Just make certain the reciever you settle on has pre-outs for the external power and you will be good to go.
I loved the 15's as rears, with the big SDA's up front, it was a potent combination.
You're so full of crap john it isn't funny. Ender, don't listen to john. You will have ZERO problems running 4 ohm surround speakers with any decent receiver.
If john really believed what he said then he should have no issues finding a thread where someone has some issue doing so.
Ask around at AVS forum. As long as you aren't maxing out the power supply on a receiver you will have no problems. And driving surround speakers that are 4 ohms isn't going to put the PSU on a receiver into the wall.
PSU's are rated in their max voltage wall, You will see receivers with a voltage wall of say 39-42 volts. This is with an 8 ohm load. Now when you put on a 4 Ohm load it's possible to get the receiver to the wall quicker. But we are talking L/C/R being off loaded onto it's own power amp. You just reduced the draw on the receiver by a good 85%. -
Whoa JuJu...I am a dealer have had customers wonder why there sytems have gone into warning...during a gathering or running a movies or jamming tunes or the superbowl...its not if it will run it but how long before...(I dont care if its Integra, Elite, Marantz, or HK)...before it clips, especially in a cabinet. So if you don't support customer service and want to talk bull dung then shut the hell up2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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txcoastal1 wrote: »Whoa JuJu...I am a dealer have had customers wonder why there sytems have gone into warning...during a gathering or running a movies or jamming tunes or the superbowl...its not if it will run it but how long before...(I dont care if its Integra, Elite, Marantz, or HK)...before it clips, especially in a cabinet. So if you don't support customer service and want to talk bull dung then shut the hell up
Is this customer driving a full 7.0 setup (4 ohm) off of a receiver? I feel sorry for your customers if you don't understand how this stuff works.
Ender is potentially off loading 85% of the load to an external amp. If you can explain how a receiver with only surrounds being powered is going to go into early protection/clipping be my guest.
If he was doing a full 7.0 4ohm load on the receiver then you have a point. But he is not. -
You're so full of crap john it isn't funny. Ender, don't listen to john. You will have ZERO problems running 4 ohm surround speakers with any decent receiver.
If john really believed what he said then he should have no issues finding a thread where someone has some issue doing so.
This coming from a guy that believes Beringer is the high water mark of audio reproduction:eek::rolleyes:...
Dan has heard my rig, and knows I am on the level with my knowlege. What do you do besides talk a bunch of crap and when exposed for it, you go on the attack and cry like a little wussie to the mods that nobody likes you... In short, get lost.
Dan, sorry for the thread crapping:cool:...
JohnThe Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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nooshinjohn wrote: »This coming from a guy that believes Beringer is the high water mark of audio reproduction:eek::rolleyes:...
Dan has heard my rig, and knows I am on the level with my knowlege. What do you do besides talk a bunch of crap and when exposed for it, you go on the attack and cry like a little wussie to the mods that nobody likes you... In short, get lost.
Dan, sorry for the thread crapping:cool:...
John
Can you have a conversation based on the merits or not? Can you find any post of mine where I said Behringer was the high water mark of audio reproduction? The EP2500 is certainly a stellar sub amp, the DCX2496 awesome for a sub eq and x-over.
So are you now deflecting from the point I made about 4ohm surrounds though while doubling the wattage draw that they aren't going to put the transformer voltage rail/s over amperage or over voltage with the mains offloaded to external amplification? -
Any reciever designed for 8 ohm loads is going to have trouble with a 4 ohm load regardless of where those speakers are seen in the system. Dan has a Carver amp that is far more robust than anything you will find in a reciever and IT has trouble with a 4 ohm load. There are only a handful of recievers out there that can drive 4ohm loads on the mains, Sunfire being one of them. There is no way in hell I would ever suggest to anyone that they should run LSi's off a reciever, nor would anybody else on this forum. Only you would do that, and only you would be dead wrong yet again jujbee. I could give two $hit$ about what empirical data you have that says otherwise. I go by experience, 30 years worth of it.
Brushed your teeth yet?
Dan... give me a call when you get a chance.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Any reciever designed for 8 ohm loads is going to have trouble with a 4 ohm load regardless of where those speakers are seen in the system. Dan has a Carver amp that is far more robust than anything you will find in a reciever and IT has trouble with a 4 ohm load. There are only a handful of recievers out there that can drive 4ohm loads on the mains, Sunfire being one of them. There is no way in hell I would ever suggest to anyone that running LSi's of of a reciever, nor would anybody else on this forum. Only you would do that, and only you would be dead wrong jujbee.
I'm suggesting that he run his mains off of something like an Adcom 5503 and his surrounds off of a receiver. Don't you read?!
My 4803Ci is rated 6-16 Ohm. The L/C/R are driven off an external amp. It would have zero problem driving surround L/R if they were 4 ohms.
Your position is absurd and in-defensible. Using my receiver as an example:
Dynamic power: 150 W x 2ch (8 Ω/ohms)
220 W x 2ch (4 Ω/ohms)
This is a simple any two channels driven. Do you really think it's going to have a problem driving JUST some 4 ohm surrounds? Do you think the surrounds are ever going to hit sustained loads like that?
And you want people to actually listen to you? Dan, start getting your advice from AVSForum. I can't believe the poor instruction you are receiving here. John should be ashamed of himself. -
what about a sub?
My possible list of subs is: 2 Epik Legends, Epik Empire, 2 SVS PC-12NSD, SVS PC12+. But because I rent its pointless to invest in good subs because I dont even really use the PSW125 to its full potential right nowI guess I don't see the need to run towers for surrounds due to if you have a good sub (which for HT you should as that is going to go your LFE the best) the need for tower surrounds.
If you are doing a lot of SACD multi channel then it can be good to run towers, apart from that I feel its a bit of a waste. If you need to even out bass response look at two subs. If you are wanting something good for music and HT Polk MP4K, Epik ect.mdaudioguy wrote: »I'm not a fan of towers in a surround role. Surround speakers work best (IMO) when mounted in a higher position. Since lower tones are less directional, I don't see the necessity for surround speakers to be able to reproduce sound as low as might be required up front. The LSi F/X, for example, are rated at @ 52Hz (lower -3dB). With a decent sub (If you really want great HT, invest in a great sub), and an 80 Hz crossover, towers don't benefit you at all as surrounds, and I think will detract from the ambient surround sound experience.
I will keep both these in mind. I can see there is a varying consensus on towers as surrounds.nooshinjohn wrote: »Dan.... when are you coming up to grab the sound panels? Anytime would be ok , but I don't think we are going to have much time to spend... All my gear has been boxed.:mad:
Have I ever told you that moving 2500 miles away SUCKS:mad:!
Well I am not sure when your leaving but I can come up anytime Sat or Sun day. Tasha works both Sat and Sun so if you and your wife wanted to do dinner it would have to be around 6:30. Give me a call or shoot me a PM, I am sure we can work something out.
Will those sound panels fit in my Jetta cause thats what I would prob pick em up in.You cant go wrong with the Marantz AV 7005, in my opinion for the $ its a great pre/pro!!! Plus the wife likes it! I wouldn't worry about not having Audyssey XT32, unless your going to have two subs?
Its more about the fact it has 100x more filters for both the sub and speakers. That to me is a BIG DEAL.You will have ZERO problems running 4 ohm surround speakers with any decent receiver.
I will respectfully say I dont agree with you but I do not have any measurements or proof to back it up. I will simply state if a AVR was capable of 4 ohms, the spec's would list them, especially since they normally list spec's w/ 2 channels driven. Also keep in mind if I go with a pre, then I require dedicated amps for all channels. And if even I dont I would prefer not to spend the cash on a good AVR and then blow it due to overloading it w/ 4 ohm speakers."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
EndersShadow wrote: »
I will respectfully say I dont agree with you but I do not have any measurements or proof to back it up. I will simply state if a AVR was capable of 4 ohms, the spec's would list them, especially since they normally list spec's w/ 2 channels driven. Also keep in mind if I go with a pre, then I require dedicated amps for all channels. And if even I dont I would prefer not to spend the cash on a good AVR and then blow it due to overloading it w/ 4 ohm speakers.
Again, just post this over at AVSforum for a gut check. You can either be informed and make purchasing choices based on that or you can go with uninformed instinct. It really doesn't change the reality, just what you are going to end up spending.
If you end up going with a dedicated pre than it is a moot point.
I already listed that my 4803Ci can do 4 Ohm 220 W x 2ch (4 Ω/ohms), here is the listing for the Onkyo NR709:
Amplifier Section
Power Output -
Front L/R 110 W + 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz,
0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
130 W + 130 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.1%,
2 channels driven, FTC)
Center 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz,
0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
130 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.1%,
2 channels driven, FTC)
Surround L/R 110 W + 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz,
0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
130 W + 130 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.1%,
2 channels driven, FTC)
Surround Back L/R 110 W + 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz,
0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
130 W + 130 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.1%,
2 channels driven, FTC)
Dynamic Power 250 W (3 ohms, 1 ch)
220 W (4 ohms, 1 ch)
130 W (8 ohms, 1 ch)
Speaker Impedance 4 ohms-16 ohms or 6 ohms-16 ohms
Again, you can either become an informed consumer or you can go with a 'feeling'.
I'm trying to think of a scenario where your surrounds are ever going to require even 75% of the rated output you are seeing listed. It would have to be one heck of a large room. -
Glad we all got Onkyo's....you da man2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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Again, just post this over at AVSforum for a gut check. You can either be informed and make purchasing choices based on that or you can go with uninformed instinct. It really doesn't change the reality, just what you are going to end up spending.
If you end up going with a dedicated pre than it is a moot point.
Again, you can either become an informed consumer or you can go with a 'feeling'.
I'm trying to think of a scenario where your surrounds are ever going to require even 75% of the rated output you are seeing listed. It would have to be one heck of a large room.
Opinion dully noted. As stated if the spec's list its 4 ohm capable then I could possibly run my surrounds off it. Regardless I am still going to plan on a dedicated 5 channel amp so that I have the option of using a dedicated pre for my 5.1 or 7.1 setup.
The more I personally learn and experience, the more I personally believe in dedicated sources.
So more than likely I will be going with a dedicated pre, but that is a decision to be made at a later date when I have both the cash and the need to upgrade my AVR."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
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txcoastal1 wrote: »Glad we all got Onkyo's....you da man
Don't leave Denon out
A lot of people have them also. Just goes to show a little research goes along way.
Just to show you what a great guy I am. I am going to help your customers by proxy. Not only have I listed Denon and Onkyo with power ratings listed at 4 ohms, let me help you with yet ANOTHER venerable manufacturer: Yamaha and the Aventage RX-A1000.
They list L/R down to 2Ohms. I would hazard a guess that the Aventage line can drive 4 ohm surrounds no problem either.
3 manufactures in and we are seeing 4 ohm ratings. Again any time you want to bring any technical merits into this... -
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Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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EndersShadow wrote: »Opinion dully noted. As stated if the spec's list its 4 ohm capable then I could possibly run my surrounds off it. Regardless I am still going to plan on a dedicated 5 channel amp so that I have the option of using a dedicated pre for my 5.1 or 7.1 setup.
The more I personally learn and experience, the more I personally believe in dedicated sources.
So more than likely I will be going with a dedicated pre, but that is a decision to be made at a later date when I have both the cash and the need to upgrade my AVR.
That is a great approach and I'm with it 100%. Conversations like these HAVE to take place on the field of technical merit. The fact of the matter is that surrounds 99.9% of the time are going to have power measurements in the tens of watts at best. You can actually measure this with a test tone and multi-meter. Couple this with the fact that the receiver is only driving the surrounds with the mains off loaded to external amplification... The conclusion is pretty clear.
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Guys, let me know when you are willing to have a discussion based on technical merit.
The ad-hom attacks just reinforce the pattern that when you are soundly bested by fact you resort to child like insults and name calling. -
Guys, let me know when you are willing to have a discussion based on technical merit.
The ad-hom attacks just reinforce the pattern that when you are soundly bested by fact you resort to child like insults and name calling.
I believe the attacks started with u to John
Believe what you want its very easy to clip systems...the rating are simulated test tones....visit a factory one day....real life spec's most are an illusion
Read on an damage your own stuff or wunder why it only lasted a couple years
Like the OP said he was not interested in your suggestions so bow out gracfully and start your own thread of debate ....maybe then someone might care
Good day2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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txcoastal1 wrote: »I believe the attacks started with u to John
Believe what you want its very easy to clip systems...the rating are simulated test tones....visit a factory one day....real life spec's most are an illusion
Read on an damage your own stuff or wunder why it only lasted a couple years
Like the OP said he was not interested in your suggestions so bow out gracfully and start your own thread of debate ....maybe then someone might care
Good day
I'm all for his externally amp all channels. It's just the baffoonery that you put forward needs debunked:
That somehow with a quality receiver (I've EASILY listed three) will have ZERO/NADA/ZILCH/NUNCA problem driving 4ohm surrounds.
The spec sheet backs me up. These are not some $250 HTiB units. These are front of the line $1K and up MSRP.
I would rather Dan make a decision to go full external amplification KNOWING factually that there are PLENTY of receivers out there that can drive 4 ohm loads.
So how many watts do you think surrounds are normally driven at. Again bring any TECHNICAL/MATHEMATICAL points you want to the table. If not just go away and stop thread crapping.
Again: Let me know when you are able to have a technical discussion.nooshinjohn wrote: »Once again, you prove that you know nothing of what you speak.:rolleyes:
There are only a few recievers capable of driving a 4ohm load on the mains, much less doing it on the surround channels.
I believe john was the aggressor in this instance. He couldn't even be correct when doing it:rolleyes: -
txcoastal1 wrote: »
Read on an damage your own stuff or wunder why it only lasted a couple years
Good day
Hmmm... My DC300a is 34 years old. My last Denon I purchased in 96 and gave to a friend in 2008 (still working). I still have my PSB's from 96 and my AR's are still in service that I picked up in 87'.
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Guys, let me know when you are willing to have a discussion based on technical merit.
The ad-hom attacks just reinforce the pattern that when you are soundly bested by fact you resort to child like insults and name calling.
How's this for technical merit? Technically speaking, it is a fact that nobody here cares what you think, what you have to say, or pretty much about you in general. When you are presented with such facts, why do you not go away? Your ad-hom presence here simply reinforces the need to rebuke you whenever you post bs.
EndersShadow does not want your advice, does not care what you think, why you think it or about your delusional "expertice". Be a good little troll and go brush those fangs.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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nooshinjohn wrote: »How's this for technical merit? Technically speaking, it is a fact that nobody here cares what you think, what you have to say, or pretty much about you in general. When you are presented with such facts, why do you not go away? Your ad-hom presence here simply reinforces the need to rebuke you whenever you post bs.
EndersShadow does not want your advice, does not care what you think, why you think it or about your delusional "expertice". Be a good little troll and go brush those fangs.
My point is made. When you can't win on technical (or any other merit) you just start the name calling.
Again: Post SOMETHING, ANYTHING that factually backs up all the misinformation that you have spewed forth.
You're a disgrace to the audio hobby. I would love to see you at AVS or HTS posting this manure. Cathy pegged you right to the wall. You really can't help yourself. -
So after a bunch of posting it seems there is kinda a 50/50 split on using towers v. bookshelves or dipoles for surrounds.
I am very interested if there are those out there that have done both.
I realize you normally want surrounds up above the seated listeners to shoot out ambient sounds, but am curious why there are a bunch that have gone from that setup to towers.
Is it due to having the extra overhead to go lower in those circumstances where the sound is actually there, problems mounting surrounds in your setup, ect.
Also I am still open to amp ideas provided its a 5 channel that gives you around 400ish watts @ 4 ohms and is a 5 channel. Heck if its a 6 or 7 that might be even better as I am picturing bi-amping the front 3 speakers just for the hell of it as a test "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
just an FYI I have run towers as surrounds in my room which is about 20X17 er whatever and to me never sounded right. I could always pinpoint things very easily. I switched to some dipoles/bipoles and was far happier with them. Once again if you are running a sub and cross them over the surrounds are not going to see the low end information anyways and if you ran duals the bass response should be just fine for your room unless its huge.
Proper speaker placement will trump big speakers poorly placed for everything.
If you want to see what a tower in a surround sounds like just take yours and put them there. IMO it is not needed unless like I said you like SACD for 5 channels and then yes it can be helpful, otherwise it is not needed if you have a smaller room size as the sound will not disperse like it should and it will sound very directional. -
Gotcha, I can understand that.
So if I went with dipole/bipole is it going to be better to go with something like the RTi ones or the LSi ones? Or to rephrase "What will I gain by going with a 4 ohm amp required LSi dipole over a 8 ohm RTi dipole capable of being driven by an AVR""....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
