tubes for monitor 60's

kappclark
kappclark Posts: 136
edited May 2011 in 2 Channel Audio
Is there a tube power amp, new, that would drive the monitor 60's (90 db eff) for under $500 ?

I spent some time reading forum posts etc, ..getting overwhelmed (I have never used tube equip)

Thx, from the tube wannabe,
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited May 2011
    A Radii tube amp would do them justice at only 8 watts. I'd have to go digging through the attic to find out which model, though. Damn nice sound.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited May 2011
    Dare has some cost effective enrty tubers
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited May 2011
    Ah, here you go. Turns out I got this from Russman via Oskigod, via a couple of other Polkies including Fireman a while back.....

    attachment.php?attachmentid=14877&d=1142021642

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38716

    It's a Radii MPP-M8.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2011
    Radii, Dared, Antique Sound Lab (ASL), Norh, Grant Fidelity are a few that would work and not break the bank. Most would be used (rather than new) and some will have fixed bias, some will auto bias and some need to have the bias set. Not difficult just do your research so you understand what you're getting and the differences between them.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited May 2011
    I want that amp back.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited May 2011
    yaqin mc-10l at 52 watts. been hearing some good things out of this canadian company.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/YAQIN-MC-10L-Push-Pull-Integrated-Stereo-Tube-Amplifier-/130514656691?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item1e63479db3
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • Jetmaker737
    Jetmaker737 Posts: 1,047
    edited May 2011
    marvda1 wrote: »
    yaqin mc-10l at 52 watts. been hearing some good things out of this canadian company.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/YAQIN-MC-10L-Push-Pull-Integrated-Stereo-Tube-Amplifier-/130514656691?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item1e63479db3

    Do you think those 52 tube Watts would be enough to drive some Monitor 70's?
    SystemLuxman L-590AXII Integrated Amplifier|KEF Reference 1 Loudspeakers|PS Audio Directream Jr|Sansui TU-9900 Tuner|TEAC A-6100 RtR|Nakamichi RX-202 Cassette
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited May 2011
    RuSsMaN wrote: »
    I want that amp back.
    So do most folks who have ever owned it. :biggrin: ....freakin' nice little ol' amp, eh? Unfortunately, you will have to get back in line. No, I'm not kidding. There actually is a line to buy it back. That right there says something about the amp.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • kappclark
    kappclark Posts: 136
    edited May 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Radii, Dared, Antique Sound Lab (ASL), Norh, Grant Fidelity are a few that would work and not break the bank. Most would be used (rather than new) and some will have fixed bias, some will auto bias and some need to have the bias set. Not difficult just do your research so you understand what you're getting and the differences between them.

    H9

    This is quite an experience .. I have not heard of *any* of these fine companies, so I see I might have gotten in a SS 'rut'...

    Thank you all for your kind suggestions, and I now will begin some earnest research...I figured the 60's are efficient enough for tubes..
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2011
    marvda1 wrote: »
    yaqin mc-10l at 52 watts. been hearing some good things out of this canadian company.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/YAQIN-MC-10L-Push-Pull-Integrated-Stereo-Tube-Amplifier-/130514656691?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item1e63479db3

    Just to be 100% clear Yaqin is a Chinese company they build the amps and then the Canadian distributor sells and backs them up.

    I've seen a bit of a mixed bag on Yaqin gear, more positives than negatives for sure. But people said Dared was a mixed bag too and I have 3 Dared pieces; they are very nice and dead solid reliable. To be fair the Dared stuff is a bit more expensive and in this case the extra expense shows in how it's built and performs.

    But Yaqin would be a nice place to start especially if you can get stateside support. Dared has stateside support in Naperville IL. Joe Zhou is a great guy.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited May 2011
    treitz3 wrote: »
    So do most folks who have ever owned it. :biggrin: ....freakin' nice little ol' amp, eh? Unfortunately, you will have to get back in line. No, I'm not kidding. There actually is a line to buy it back. That right there says something about the amp.

    So you have a handful of people that actually want to use it, vs it sitting in the attic? How's that work?
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited May 2011
    It's in need of repair. I still want to try it on another rig before I let her go. Within a couple of months I will know whether or not to release her or keep her. The "magic smoke" got the best of her, if you ever read the thread I made a while back.

    She will be back in action one of these days and believe it or not? She looks the same as when Lou got it.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited May 2011
    I didn't know it had a failure, no. That amp has been around the block a few times. I just think it begs to be listened to, I couldn't bare it sitting in a box!
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited May 2011
    On the evaluation of the Focal 807v's I had written up, I had mentioned that "Olympic Fanfare" sounded the best with this amp [most realistic on the Tympani's I have ever heard]. 'Till this day, it still stands. That amp rocks.

    Plans are already in place to get her up and rolling again. I feel ashamed that she isn't singing to someone today. Thanks for making me feel bad.....but alas...I deserve it. :frown:
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited May 2011
    i had a 60 watt jolida on my usher 6381 speakers 87db, 8 ohm with no problems. i also had the jolida on a pair of 4ohm 86db bookshelves with no problems. it all depends on room size and how loud you play your music. the 52 is not far off and you might be able to ring a few more watts with 6ca7 power tubes.
    there's also the option of moving to the kt88 based yaqin but it is $237 more at 60 watts.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/YAQIN-MC-100B-PushPull-Stereo-Integrated-Tube-Amplifier-/130517651226?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item1e63754f1a
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
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  • kappclark
    kappclark Posts: 136
    edited May 2011
    Read a thread on Stereophile ...

    http://www.stereophile.com/content/need-more-info-about-ebay-tube-amps-1

    VERY informative...

    now am looking at Dynaco == they seem to think the ST-70 is the best bet (but will prob be more than $500)

    One more forum to join -

    http://dynacotubeaudio.forumotion.com/
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  • kappclark
    kappclark Posts: 136
    edited May 2011
    Amazing ! Is the ST-70 worth looking into ? OK for the 60's ?

    This one is completely restored...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPER-CLEAN-DYNACO-ST-70-STEREO-TUBE-AMP-RESTORED-/110683861813?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item19c545b335
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited May 2011
    this is from a review of the st-70
    "The ST70 is said to deliver 35wpc. I have seen many reports contradict this power rating, stating instead that this is in the 20-25wpc.
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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