I LOVE the smell of dead ZUNE!!!

bobman1235

Another checkbox in the fanboy column - you're an outrageous ****.

AsSiMiLaTeD

First, what bobman said.

Second, if you like iTunes then you clearly have issues.

People like you are the reason I sometimes feel ashamed to own an apple product.

AsSiMiLaTeD

Oh, and your estimation of 95% of vehicles cannot be anywhere close to accurate...

bigaudiofanatic

bobman1235 wrote: »

Another checkbox in the fanboy column - you're an outrageous ****.

So me support apple for good products and standing by that makes me a ****? And I guess that I like klipsch or martin logan better than polk makes me a **** as well?

We all have our likes and dislikes and we forum our own opinions about products all the time. That is what makes us different you like one thing I like another. Why should I be looked at differently just because I like something others do not?

I work as a pc specialist during the week and go to college for computers at night. I have a mac laptop, Lenovo laptop and in the process of building a gaming computer. Are you going to tell me using a Amd processor instead of intel makes me a **** as well?

Just how I am looking at this as a bad product in my eyes that has failed in the market place and I posted about it. Do i get zune users busting on me for having a ipod of course I do so why should I not take the opportunity to bust back? Because I own apple? Pretty poor argument if you ask me.

bigaudiofanatic

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

Oh, and your estimation of 95% of vehicles cannot be anywhere close to accurate...

So all major car manufactures that have factory ipod integration and almost every aftermarket head unit supporting ipod is not 95%?

kawizx9r

Far less % than that, plus 'ipod compatibility' isn't a feature anyone should look for when purchasing a vehicle. If it is, then I've got a bridge you can buy too.

As stated above, iTunes software is horrible at best. I own an iPod touch that I got FREE, and I'm still not enthused by it. That's why it sits in my glove compartment all day everyday. Contemplating buying the Excelon headunit that my cousin owns since 1. it's the same as mine and 2. adds full zune capability.

And yes, you're a fanboi.

DMara

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

Why should I be looked at differently just because I like something others do not?

Unfortunately this will happen to anybody who involves in an argument It really doesn't matter if it's you, me, or any other, the rule applies to everybody :biggrin:

AsSiMiLaTeD

Of course you're allowed to like what you want, that's not the point.

The point is the whole semtiment of this thread and the way it was executed is very childish. Additionally, it's also not very intelligent, as you should want competition in the marketplace, do they teach economics 101 at the school you're in?

Go back and read your posts, that's the way you come across.

Those who don't get it don't know that they don't get it...is that the saying?

jbooker82

ryanjoachim wrote: »

And sorry based on your initial post, "fanboi" perfectly describes your attitude when typing that. Hindsight is 20/20 after all.

yep x2

cokewithvanilla

I'm just gonna be honest, the whole music management system for apple products is TERRIBLE. I can't count how many times I've see the "all music will be deleted off your device and replaced with the NOTHING that is in your library" message.

I don't know if they've changed that since I last added music, but that crap of not being able to add music from multiple computers is stupid.

I'm not gonna lie though, it's a decent player... it would be cool if they add one of those digital mini jacks that doubles as stereo to it... would be nice to not need a transport

bobman1235

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

So me support apple for good products and standing by that makes me a ****? And I guess that I like klipsch or martin logan better than polk makes me a **** as well?

You can't p ossibly be this stupid. It has nothing to do with what you do or don't like, it's how you express that like or dislike. In particular : like a smug child. In other words, ****. I have a million products / brands I like, I don't rejoice on the Internet when their competitors go out of business.

maximillian

bobman1235 wrote: »

I don't rejoice on the Internet when their competitors go out of business.

I don't know... there are some companies that are so bad for the industry that I would rejoice if they failed. There are many audio companies that produce utter crap and I can't wait until they die.

Still, although I am mostly enjoying my iPod Touch, I really wish there was some better alternatives out there. Just buying accessories for the iPod is frustratingly expensive. And yes, iTunes is terrible. I really can't imagine how it has remained this poor for so long.

I never liked the Zune either but I wish it wasn't going away.

Jstas

bobman1235 wrote: »

You can't possibly be this stupid. It has nothing to do with what you do or don't like, it's how you express that like or dislike. In particular : like a smug child. In other words, ****. I have a million products / brands I like, I don't rejoice on the Internet when their competitors go out of business.

Yes, yes he can. He's sincere when he misspells words, uses improper grammar and sometimes just omits words completely. That's the mark of a true "genius".

maximillian wrote: »

I don't know... there are some companies that are so bad for the industry that I would rejoice if they failed. There are many audio companies that produce utter crap and I can't wait until they die.

Still, although I am mostly enjoying my iPod Touch, I really wish there was some better alternatives out there. Just buying accessories for the iPod is frustratingly expensive. And yes, iTunes is terrible. I really can't imagine how it has remained this poor for so long.

I never liked the Zune either but I wish it wasn't going away.

Or, instead of lamenting the existence of those companies, you could, just, I dunno, ignore them and not buy their products? I mean, I'm all for finding joy in the suffering of others but I can't blame a guy for trying. When I see a business fail with otherwise decent products, I feel bad for the guy/girl who owned it. It's their life and while it may not be your cup of tea, it doesn't deserve damnation to hell. Unless of course it's that place that sells magic pebbles and high performance wooden volume knobs...which, by the way, you can buy at rockler.com for about 1/1000th of the price.

Airplay355

What's so bad about the iTunes software?

I have an iPod but all it does is sit in my center console plugged into my car. I turn on my car, I have music, that's all I need. It could be a zune, an iPod, a lead brick, I don't care as long as I can turn on my car and listen to my tunes. Occasionally I bring it with me for a run in which case I'd prefer it not be a lead brick but I still wouldn't care what it was.

bobman1235

Airplay355 wrote: »

What's so bad about the iTunes software?

I have an iPod but all it does is sit in my center console plugged into my car. I turn on my car, I have music, that's all I need. It could be a zune, an iPod, a lead brick, I don't care as long as I can turn on my car and listen to my tunes. Occasionally I bring it with me for a run in which case I'd prefer it not be a lead brick but I still wouldn't care what it was.

The iTunes software isn't quite as bad as some have made it out (maybe even myself). If you use it the way it's supposed to be used, it works... passably, maybe even "well" in most cases.

However if you do ANYTHING with your music files outside of the iTunes world, the whole system falls apart. iTunes assumes it is managing your music completely and that the files will never be touched; in fact it assumes you don't even understand the concept of "files" at all.

Beyond that, on anything approaching a "modest" system (and I'm talking Windows here, not Mac, where I 've heard iTunes is much more stable), iTunes is slow as molasses and crashes OFTEN - more often than any other program I have running on any of my PCs.

shack

My sole use and purpose for iTunes is to download music into my computer to then download into my iPod. It works.

ryanjoachim

Here's one thing I never thought about...are you required to use iTunes to get media to and from your iDevice?

bobman1235

ryanjoachim wrote: »

Here's one thing I never thought about...are you required to use iTunes to get media to and from your iDevice?

Outside of various "hacked" methods, yes.

cokewithvanilla

shack wrote: »

My sole use and purpose for iTunes is to download music into my computer to then download into my iPod. It works.

Yeah, but what we are saying is that if you try to get creative, life is miserable. Itunes offers you crappy MP3's... if you want to buy that from them and put it on your device, then you are their perfect customer. However, if you move out of that world and want to mess with your own stuff or even use multiple computers... or hell, even reload your computer from time to time without doing some hex edits, you are in for a bad time.

Last time I wanted a new ringtone on my phone, I had to use SSH because it would not let me sync without deleting all my files that were not in my 'library', which is to say, all of them.

Airplay355

Now that I think about it, I hated iTunes when I had a PC. I just had a folder of music and I would use Winamp as a player.

Now that I have a Mac iTunes works fine and you're right, it does assume you don't know what a file is but I decided I like that. It hides all the files in a folder and I don't ever need to worry about them. I guess it's like most Mac things that just work better on Macs only.

shack

cokewithvanilla wrote:

Yeah, but what we are saying is that if you try to get creative, life is miserable. Itunes offers you crappy MP3's... if you want to buy that from them and put it on your device, then you are their perfect customer. However, if you move out of that world and want to mess with your own stuff or even use multiple computers... or hell, even reload your computer from time to time without doing some hex edits, you are in for a bad time.

Last time I wanted a new ringtone on my phone, I had to use SSH because it would not let me sync without deleting all my files that were not in my 'library', which is to say, all of them.

I don't get creative...don't want to. I don't buy MP3s...don't plan to. I keep iTunes on an external hard drive and moved everything to a new laptop with no problems. My phone rings and I answer it...I don't need a new "tone". For the way I use iTunes...it works fine.

cokewithvanilla

shack wrote: »

I don't get creative...don't want to. I don't buy MP3s...don't plan to. I keep iTunes on an external hard drive and moved everything to a new laptop with no problems. My phone rings and I answer it...I don't need a new "tone". For the way I use iTunes...it works fine.

yes, for the way you use it, it does. It does for a lot of people... but it is inflexible.. that's all I am saying.

I was just thinking about this in the shower and it made me laugh... imagine if Steve Jobs was a dictator...

ryanjoachim

cokewithvanilla wrote: »

... imagine if Steve Jobs was a dictator...

Uh...he already is. He's a techno-dictator.

And yeah, that's idiotic that you are required to use a program to transfer files.

shack

cokewithvanilla wrote:

It does for a lot of people... but it is inflexible.. that's all I am saying...

Then find something that meets your needs in terms of use and flexibility...or design and produce something better that everyone wants. Then YOU can become the next Steve Jobs or Bill Gates.

EndersShadow

From what I understand MediaMonkey allows you to encode and they Sync your files to an Ipod so you can get rid of iTunes.

As a Zune user I wouldnt know . Just convert it from FLAC to 320 bps MP3 and bam loaded onto my Zune....

and hopefully my soon to be purchased Windows 7 phone

shack

cokewithvanilla wrote:

I was just thinking about this in the shower and it made me laugh... imagine if Steve Jobs was a dictator...

And....if you are thinking about Steve Jobs in the shower you have issues well beyond the inflexible nature of iTunes.

cokewithvanilla

shack wrote: »

Then find something that meets your needs in terms of use and flexibility...or design and produce something better that everyone wants. Then YOU can become the next Steve Jobs or Bill Gates.

I can't talk about the shortcomings of a product without having to make something better? Come on. It's not a take it or leave it proposition... many companies listen to their customers and make changes... not apple.

Better and what people will buy are often two different things

shack wrote: »

And....if you are thinking about Steve Jobs in the shower you have issues well beyond the inflexible nature of iTunes.

...oh, I am sorry, I didn't realize that thinking in the shower should be reserved only for certain topics.

and I meant like a dictator of small country... it'd be like an artsy prison.

bobman1235

EndersShadow wrote: »

From what I understand MediaMonkey allows you to encode and they Sync your files to an Ipod so you can get rid of iTunes.

That's only kind of true. At least for a normal iPod this would be fine, but if you're using a Touch or iPhone, it's not a real solution because Apps and other things HAVE to sync with iTunes, and firmware updates only come from iTunes as well. So for day-to-day stuff you could probbaly ditch iTunes but you'd still need to keep it around for other things.

EndersShadow

bobman1235 wrote: »

That's only kind of true. At least for a normal iPod this would be fine, but if you're using a Touch or iPhone, it's not a real solution because Apps and other things HAVE to sync with iTunes, and firmware updates only come from iTunes as well. So for day-to-day stuff you could probbaly ditch iTunes but you'd still need to keep it around for other things.

Gotcha, didnt think about that. But at least you could still enjoy your FLAC on your computer and at home (if you have streaming devices for that) and then for portable use encode it so your not tied to iTunes and its bitrates for your music....just for updates to your software....

shack

cokewithvanilla wrote:

I can't talk about the shortcomings of a product without having to make something better? Come on. It's not a take it or leave it proposition... many companies listen to their customers and make changes... not apple.

Better and what people will buy are often two different things

You are free to talk about whatever you choose...including the pros and cons of any given item/product. Lots of folks do.

Lots of folks also just talk about what they don't like rather than find something they do. Lots of folks also complain about faults but never offer solutions. IMO people like Jobs and Gates think of and offer solutions to things others haven't even thought of yet. It is why they are successful...and very rich.

cokewithvanilla wrote:

...oh, I am sorry, I didn't realize that thinking in the shower should be reserved only for certain topics.

and I meant like a dictator of small country... it'd be like an artsy prison.

Again feel free to let your mind run through the infinite boundaries of the universe while attending to your personal hygiene... If Steve Jobs fits the bill...so be it.

However...I can say with 100% certainty that Steve Jobs has never crossed MY mind while showering.... Just sayin'.