Just got the RTi4

Haryer

I think Im going to buy a Pioneer 5100UB that has 22rms mosfet watts. I need help finding 6.5 coaxial speakers that will run great off of just the headunits own power.

Id like a full, rich sounding speaker. Not bright and edgy. Please point me in the right direction.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

JimAckley

Start your own thread in the appropriate section.

mdaudioguy

JimAckley wrote: »

Start your own thread in the appropriate section.

It was his first post - probably didn't realize there was a separate car audio section.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5

mdaudioguy

Now, back to the topic at hand...

This thread is funny. I have a pair of these and I use them as surrounds, but if I used them for 2-channel bookshelf for anything but the most casual listening, I'd incorporate a small sub. They are what they are. Throw them in the trash? C'mon. Yeah, I also have some better bookshelves, too. "[A] pronounced frequency that should not be present"? That's a new one for these speakers, and they've been out quite a while.

wz1

mdaudioguy wrote: »

Now, back to the topic at hand...

This thread is funny. I have a pair of these and I use them as surrounds, but if I used them for 2-channel bookshelf for anything but the most casual listening, I'd incorporate a small sub. They are what they are. Throw them in the trash? C'mon. Yeah, I also have some better bookshelves, too. "[A] pronounced frequency that should not be present"? That's a new one for these speakers, and they've been out quite a while.

If you read carefully, i said they'll go in the trash if they blow and they were close to it. Not everything sounds bad with these speakers as my trance collection sounds pretty good. With a certain type of beat, these speakers sound as if they are forcing hard. Highs get harsh, beat slows down, etc. Since they are brand new, maybe a couple of weeks of break in is needed and I got to get accustomed to the sound but i don't like the bass right now. I don't like subwoofer bass for mixing. It's hard to explain but these speakers give out bass but I'm having trouble making out basslines. Hollow sounding is the appropriate word.

nguyendot

You know blowing speakers generally comes from underpowering them. Aren't you only using 20 watts? If you're unhappy, it's because you don't have nearly enough power. Try feeding them 150 clean watts (separates) and then see.

JimAckley

nguyendot wrote: »

You know blowing speakers generally comes from underpowering them. Aren't you only using 20 watts? If you're unhappy, it's because you don't have nearly enough power. Try feeding them 150 clean watts (separates) and then see.

+1 million

wz1

nguyendot wrote: »

You know blowing speakers generally comes from underpowering them. Aren't you only using 20 watts? If you're unhappy, it's because you don't have nearly enough power. Try feeding them 150 clean watts (separates) and then see.

Well I guess you solved my problem. I either buy two new amps or switch back my other bookshelves. Can you guess what i'm gonna do? I should give it two weeks for break in.

wz1

After a month, if I still don't like the sound , I'll move them to my hometheater amp and bring the other back.

wz1

I listen to dance music primarily. I live in a small space so I really don't want to get a sub. I think the RTI's will do fine for cable/movies as fronts but i'll give them a month before I switch.

wz1

nguyendot wrote: »

Dang you have some thin skin. Why don't you go over to mamby pamby land and ....you know the rest.

All I said was loudness was FTL. You somehow took that as a personal insult and blew it way out of proportion. Seriously, grow up.

also, the word is "they're" not "there".

I don't know what you mean by loudness was FTL but I know that I hate to use it personally. It makes the sound awful.

mdaudioguy

wz1 wrote: »

They are going in the garbage as I think my 20 watt amp will blow them soon. Reality is sinking in here.

I can read. Although, I didn't actually think you were serious, but rather just making a flippant comment for effect. Anyhow, the RTi speakers are considered to be somewhat bright, so you don't need a lot of volume to "hear" them. This may contribute to your perception of lacking in bass. Also, FTR (for the record, as opposed to FTL, for the loss - internet slang for a losing proposition), the RTi series' strength is considered HT, where they truly shine - at least that's the general consensus here. I do enjoy music through my RTi speakers, but it's my towers that I use for music, and there's better amplification involved, too.

So, I'm really not sure you're going to get this worked out to your liking. Just don't throw 'em out.

nguyendot

wz1 wrote: »

I don't know what you mean by loudness was FTL but I know that I hate to use it personally. It makes the sound awful.

Some of us don't like tone controls, and jab at comments made about them. Don't take the comment too seriously - it's just to poke fun (even though someone else on here took it WAY too seriously).

To each his own. I used to mess with loudness control, but now prefer a purist signal. The best preamps have no tone controls, or have ones that can be defeated.

Seriously though, trance music with 20 watts isn't the best idea. Trance is very bass heavy, and will clip that amp easily. Unless you're talking about 20 tube watts....

thesurfer

nguyendot wrote: »

Dang you have some thin skin. Why don't you go over to mamby pamby land and ....you know the rest.

All I said was loudness was FTL. You somehow took that as a personal insult and blew it way out of proportion. Seriously, grow up.

also, the word is "they're" not "there".

Thin skin,,, maybe,, Just get sick of purist like you who Go around throwing in there 2,cents, when it has nothing to do with the post,,, Who are you anyhow to say Loudness is FTL??? If you dont like it,, dont use it,, We dont need your thoughts imposed on us,,, If you have a Loudness issue, see a shrink,,,, Now slack that jaw,,,

nguyendot

thesurfer wrote: »

Thin skin,,, maybe,, Just get sick of purist like you who Go around throwing in there 2,cents, when it has nothing to do with the post,,, Who are you anyhow to say Loudness is FTL??? If you dont like it,, dont use it,, We dont need your thoughts imposed on us,,, If you have a Loudness issue, see a shrink,,,, Now slack that jaw,,,

Dude, cry me a river. You took it way out of proportion.

All I said was "Loudness is FTL". Take the stick out of your rear.

You notice no one else is complaining......

thesurfer

No one else brought themselves to your single minded level and made a comment,,, now, lets let it lie, its really not a big deal,,, Lots of folks on here use EQ,ing, and loudness, to amplify weak recordings,,, and to make them sound more pleasing to them, its everyones own cup of tea,, let them drink it as they wish,,,, Just pushing your buttons, your a purist, im into making poorly recorded music sound as good as i can,, no foul intended,,,HEY, i think i forgot to switch my Loudness control on,,, gotta go,,,

stangjason

mdaudioguy wrote: »

ISo, I'm really not sure you're going to get this worked out to your liking. Just don't throw 'em out.

No just ship them to me and I'll pay shipping :biggrin:

nguyendot

thesurfer wrote: »

No one else brought themselves to your single minded level and made a comment,,, now, lets let it lie, its really not a big deal,,, Lots of folks on here use EQ,ing, and loudness, to amplify weak recordings,,, and to make them sound more pleasing to them, its everyones own cup of tea,, let them drink it as they wish,,,, Just pushing your buttons, your a purist, im into making poorly recorded music sound as good as i can,, no foul intended,,,HEY, i think i forgot to switch my Loudness control on,,, gotta go,,,

Need a tissue? You're just ranting now.

thesurfer

nguyendot wrote: »

Need a tissue? You're just ranting now.

No, im all set on the tissue front, Now go listen to your dead flat dull music,,, Cause thats how it should sound,,, Funny thing is, had you not shot off your mouth to begin with this wouldnt have happened, next time keep your OP, to yourself,,, Better to be thought of as ignorant,, then to act like you and prove it,,,

nguyendot

thesurfer wrote: »

No, im all set on the tissue front, Now go listen to your dead flat dull music,,, Cause thats how it should sound,,, Funny thing is, had you not shot off your mouth to begin with this wouldnt have happened, next time keep your OP, to yourself,,, Better to be thought of as ignorant,, then to act like you and prove it,,,

Dude you just need to knock it off.

JimAckley

Holy crap guys knock it off. If you have issues, settle it in PMs, not in a thread that's not even yours in the first place.

wz1

You know what happens when you're not happy with something you've just bought. I'm trying this and that. Well i decided to test one speaker at a time. I'm finding that my left speaker was more bassier than the right and also the highs are not as clear. It doesn't distort though. Now that could be the nature of running the speakers in stereo, so i switched left to right and problem follows the speaker. So I have two identical speakers that sound different.

mdaudioguy

Call the number in the top right corner of this page. Who knows if they're open on President's Day? Tell CS about your results. You could always try the TP tube trick to isolate the teeters to your ear. Careful on the volume, though. Or, remove the jumpers and compare woofers to woofers and tweets to tweets.

JimAckley

I'd just go back to your Athenas and sell the polks

wz1

I still need a pair of bookshelves if I sell the RTi4.

wz1

I gotto say that these speakers are horrible. I'm going through my collection and I'm not done yet, I came across 3 selections that cause the lower midrange sound to vibrate in an unpleasant fashion. I think these speakers hit as low as 150-200hz and the box is making fake unpleasant, unrythmic bass. I'm totally shocked. I xovered my Athenas at 100 hz and the bass blew these away.

thesurfer

Sounds like either you got a damaged pair,,, or your not running them, on a proper source....as they have great bass responce,,, i dont own them, but have heard them,,,

wz1

Dear surfer, i'm still testing my speakers instead of enjoying them. All I know is that both me and a friend of mine with monitor 70's are both displeased with the bass. We have both tons of highs and mids and no bass. I decided to go test his speakers and brought 40 -100 hz test tones. On the 40hz, one speaker which has two subwoofers, one woofer cone doesn't move, but 50hz and higher both cone move. AT 40hz, a door in the hallway vibrates, walls in another room shake but at listening position, directly in front,you feel nothing. In my case at 70 hz, one speaker plays about 1 1/2 times the volume of the other speaker. When I play music i can't hear any deep bass, mid and highs drown everything. My conclusion is that both me and my friend are not that unlucky.

thesurfer

Sounds like you both have speaker issues,,, in other words, there faulty,, or just crappy equipment,,, keep us posted,,,

wz1

Hey surfer, I know for a fact that it's the speakers. I ran a 200hz test tone and the speaker that played the 70hz quieter, now plays the 200hz almost twice as loud as the other speaker that was louder in the 70 hz bass. I switched speaker wires to rule out the left/right channels of my amp. I have two same woofers that sound completely different. What's the story here? What should I do? I'm in Montreal,Canada. Where's the service center and would they even fix it cause it's hard to discern when listening to music and the speakers don't distort.