I know where you are.

ben62670

I knew this info before, but I din't realize that it was as easy as it is.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=7621105&syndicate=syndicate&section

ohskigod

Nice,


there's always a worry of that. a 300lb guy like me might not care, but if I was a hot chick you might wanna worry

ben62670

A few of my friends have some hotties for daughters and they post their pics on the internet all the time.

ohskigod

that's a mild concern, that guys got enough to worry about with hot daughters.....poor ****

warren

Thanks, Ben!!!!

Cosmic_American

I hope no stalkers see this, pretty frightening

cokewithvanilla

I would like to think that this is a default 'off' feature on phones/cameras. In order to get your position it must be turned on, most phones GPS isn't always on because it eats the crap out of battery life. I know on my phone, which happens to be a 3gs at the moment, anytime it wants to load up the gps, it asks if I'd like to allow GPS for this application. If I say yes, it will remember that setting. So, of course, simply don't allow it for your camera.

On top of that, many sites, like facebook, edit the images for size. The image is resized and resaved without exif data. In that video, they claimed to get some info off craigslist, which I believe does the same thing. Only way that'd happen is if someone uploaded a picture to a website and linked it with html... in that case, they should know enough about computers to remove such data.I have no idea if twitter does this, I am assuming not because they made such a big deal out of it (I've never been to a twitter page in my life, and never plan to).

In any event, this isn't really a big deal like they make it out to be. If you aren't ready and able to defend yourself in the event that someone does stalk you... well... you should be... and if you're using 'places' on facebook, you, along with the people who use farmville, should find your way to the nearest cliff edge and jump... or at least use some common sense in other aspects of your life

billbillw

You think that is scary, check out this website:

www.spokeo.com

There is another website that offers way too much info and makes a little too easy if you ask me. Data-mining rears its ugly head.

mdaudioguy

GPS tagging is actually a very cool, useful feature. You can find and sort your pics by location. Once again, people need to be smarter about what they put online. There are simple ways to remove the tags prior to sharing them. One of the guys from Mythbusters accidentally revealed the location of his home a while back.

bobman1235

No one gives a crap who or where you are.

quadzilla

bobman1235 wrote: »

No one gives a crap who or where you are.

Marketers sure the heck do.

cnh

Since EVERYONE is SO interesting in selling me tech that has LOCATORS I think I'm going to just have them insert a locater chip into my A$$ so that they know where and who I am AT ALL TIMES! And they want me to PAY for them to make more PROFITS. LOL!

That's why I carry ABSOLUTELY nothing...no cell phones, ipods, Androids etc. Most of the time. Makes me feel like I have to go cave man to be off the radar.

Cut it out already! I'm not PAYING for this kind of thing! And DON'T get me started on FACEBOOK! Innocent billionaire Zuckerberg....totally cares about his users...NOT!!! It's ALL about Profit and Power and Control with that one!

cnh

disneyjoe7

If someone would take a picture with a camera phone, send it to their computer. Then opened up Paint saved as bmp file vs. a jpg file, then reopened paint and resave as jpg file doesn't this remove all info? I remember seeing that somewhere, because bmp doesn't have info.

bobman1235

quadzilla wrote: »

Marketers sure the heck do.

And? When I was a kid, we got 5000 pieces of junk mail every day in the mail, long before anyone had even heard of GPS. NOwadays I get 5000 pieces of junk mail every day in the mail. It still just gets thrown out (or recycled, so I guess that's changed)

I have a pretty big web presence for a nobody, and you could surely Google my name and find my home address within 30 seconds, and have been able to for the past decade or more. And if it's going to affect someone... I'm a 30-year old white male, the most in-demand marketing demographic there is in America. And yet... zero ill effects. So I ask again... who gives a crap?

Earthy

I had to rebuild my iPhone recently and it I just checked and location services for the camera are off. Looking at some older pictures, I can see it was on at some point. Just another thing I need to check on once in a while. Then again, I rarely send my pictures to anyone that doesn't know where I live already.

Thanks Ben

vc69

cnh wrote: »

Cut it out already! I'm not PAYING for this kind of thing! And DON'T get me started on FACEBOOK! Innocent billionaire Zuckerberg....totally cares about his users...NOT!!! It's ALL about Profit and Power and Control with that one!

cnh

Ditto to that.

cnh

bobman1235 wrote: »

And? When I was a kid, we got 5000 pieces of junk mail every day in the mail, long before anyone had even heard of GPS. NOwadays I get 5000 pieces of junk mail every day in the mail. It still just gets thrown out (or recycled, so I guess that's changed)

I have a pretty big web presence for a nobody, and you could surely Google my name and find my home address within 30 seconds, and have been able to for the past decade or more. And if it's going to affect someone... I'm a 30-year old white male, the most in-demand marketing demographic there is in America. And yet... zero ill effects. So I ask again... who gives a crap?

I understand what you're saying. But you're also in that demographic that has precisely this attitude...it's in the marketing statistics. Add another couple of decades to your age and you have someone who's lived through the cold war and a lot more history and is carrying a different set of paranoid fantasies and anxieties ala Doctor Strangelove, etc.?

Then add a few years of living in a Communist Country? Or having the U.S. State Department visit you in a remote part of China to collect statistics on Americans living and working abroad--why did they bother? And you have someone like me. Really, there's a bit of a generational difference here. Almost NONE of my students worry about privacy until it's breached. And in fact we just had an AWFUL breach of student security where I work that led to a dismissal of a tenured faculty member--that's HOW bad it was! And the students were appropriately horrified.

That's all I'm saying. It doesn't 'matter' until it 'matters', and it might matter at some point...you never know. History decides...in the end what will happen to all this info. Whether it will mean nothing or will be abused?

cnh

bobman1235

cnh wrote: »

I understand what you're saying. But you're also in that demographic that has precisely this attitude...it's in the marketing statistics. Add another couple of decades to your age and you have someone who's lived through the cold war and a lot more history and is carrying a different set of paranoid fantasies and anxieties ala Doctor Strangelove, etc.?

Then add a few years of living in a Communist Country? Or having the U.S. State Department visit you in a remote part of China to collect statistics on Americans living and working abroad--why did they bother? And you have someone like me. Really, there's a bit of a generational difference here. Almost NONE of my students worry about privacy until it's breached. And in fact we just had an AWFUL breach of student security where I work that led to a dismissal of a tenured faculty member--that's HOW bad it was! And the students were appropriately horrified.

That's all I'm saying. It doesn't 'matter' until it 'matters', and it might matter at some point...you never know. History decides...in the end what will happen to all this info. Whether it will mean nothing or will be abused?

cnh

What I'm more trying to say is that "privacy and security" do not equal "your name and address." That information, no matter how hard you try to hide it, are public record. I WOULD be pissed if some private information got leaked from a "trusted" source. My credit card number, maybe SSN, if I was still in college maybe my grades, what I'm saying to my doctor, that kind of thing. Those are things to which you have a "reasonable right to privacy" and should expect and even demand privacy. The location of where you took your photos? Meh. It's just not important to anyone.

The problem with your anecdote is it does not distinguish between types of information. We love to go crazy because "our privacy has been breached", but there's a HUGE chasm between "your location that one time, as evidenced by a photo you made public" and "a photo taken of you with a telephoto lens from a government spy satellite."

quadzilla

bobman1235 wrote: »

What I'm more trying to say is that "privacy and security" do not equal "your name and address." That information, no matter how hard you try to hide it, are public record. I WOULD be pissed if some private information got leaked from a "trusted" source. My credit card number, maybe SSN, if I was still in college maybe my grades, what I'm saying to my doctor, that kind of thing. Those are things to which you have a "reasonable right to privacy" and should expect and even demand privacy. The location of where you took your photos? Meh. It's just not important to anyone.

The problem with your anecdote is it does not distinguish between types of information. We love to go crazy because "our privacy has been breached", but there's a HUGE chasm between "your location that one time, as evidenced by a photo you made public" and "a photo taken of you with a telephoto lens from a government spy satellite."

Some people would consider anything they do not explicitly authorize as a breach of privacy. Others would give you a more nuanced definition of privacy as retaining control of your information, and who has access to what parts of it.

For example, I'm rather less than thrilled with the current practice of insurance companies selling my patient data to drug companies. There are other examples of things as well. But this is how I define privacy. Also, someone, say an victim of spouse abuse, might be less than thrilled about it being so easy to get their current address with just their name. This could present, realistically, a life threatening situation for them. So yeah, this can be a really big problem for some people. It's nice that you don't care, but there are many good reasons to care about privacy and control of personal data.

bobman1235

quadzilla wrote: »

Also, someone, say an victim of spouse abuse, might be less than thrilled about it being so easy to get their current address with just their name. This could present, realistically, a life threatening situation for them. So yeah, this can be a really big problem for some people. It's nice that you don't care, but there are many good reasons to care about privacy and control of personal data.

The story above is talking about location data present in photos. The person in question would have had to share these photos publicly for this to be an issue. If you're hiding from an abusive ex-husband, maybe you should be more careful with putting photos of your family online (from which, even without GPS data, they may be able to discern where you live).

Or maybe we as a society should stop regulating and worrying about every little fringe possibility, and let the people who have problems worry about them? 99.99999% of people are NOT hiding from an abusive ex, so how about that .0000001% that is be the ones in charge of their own privacy, rather than everyone else bending over backwards to protect them?

Systems

I know where you are.

Hell Ben,
You have half the forum members address' from X-Over mods, just use those!:biggrin:

jflail2

I agree with Bob here; I could honestly care less.

I actually make sure to turn on the geocode tag for pics on my droid by default. I like being able to pull up a picture, and then driving through the lat/long data to get to an exact location on a map of where I took the picture.

And if someone is smart enough to figure out where I live based on pics/info posted online, that is fine. I treat all random knocks at the door equally; they're all answered with 12 gauge in hand. Same goes for things that go bump in the night.

Agree with Bob that I'd be royally pissed if my SSN was floating out there for anyone to take, but as far as where I was when I took my pictures? Yup, I could care less.

ben62670

pepster wrote: »

Hell Ben,
You have half the forum members address' from X-Over mods, just use those!:biggrin:

Like I said. I know where you live:biggrin:

In all actuality if I wanted to know where someone lived I would just ask. The thing I don't like about picture tagging is slowly we are giving up our privacy of where we are at nearly any given time. I'm not paranoid, but who knows what is going to happen in the future with the government tracking people who are "a threat to the States". Also guys with your mega dollar rigs it wouldn't be too hard to figure out where you live, and when you are away. If you have those mega dollar rigs most likely you have other nice items in your house too. As for disabling the GPS feature keep in mind that is what 911 uses to locate you if you need assistance. All I am saying is be careful of where your pics are sent.

Systems

Whats sad is, all people need is your name and address, and someone will give you credit (whether you wanted it or not)!
And if they can get your birthdate (I did not list the correct one on this forum), then its a for sure deal that some creditor will bite!
Thats scary!:eek:

cokewithvanilla

ben62670 wrote: »

As for disabling the GPS feature keep in mind that is what 911 uses to locate you if you need assistance.

Are you 100% on that one?

ben62670

Why do you think phones that can't run apps have GPS It's for tracking.

WilliamM2

pepster wrote: »

Whats sad is, all people need is your name and address, and someone will give you credit (whether you wanted it or not)!
And if they can get your birthdate (I did not list the correct one on this forum), then its a for sure deal that some creditor will bite!
Thats scary!:eek:

Why would someone want to give me credit that I don't want, and won't use? Or are you talking about identity theft, which definitely requires more than a name and address?

Systems

Or are you talking about identity theft, which definitely requires more than a name and address?

I could buy some furniture with just your name and address.
I have my eye on some if you would just send me that info!:biggrin:

schwarcw

Shack,

Enlighten us about whether these camera features can be turned off!

mdaudioguy

ben62670 wrote: »

Why do you think phones that can't run apps have GPS It's for tracking.

Cell phones are located via triangulation based on the particular towers that can "see" them. It has nothing to do with the GPS function embedded in the phone. What non-smartphone has GPS?

mdaudioguy

^^^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking