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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited January 2011
    I agree with tonyb also, sounds like some larger changes may be in order.
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited January 2011
    I have to agree with the above. If honestly there are no jobs by you, and housing is to expensive then you may have to move to an area where you can get house and a job easier.

    It will throw you out of your comfort zone, but if you do have children with needs with schools, often many schools will understand the situation. Also depending on what you do/company apply for some will offer relocation assistance so that the move won't be as bad or tough.

    I know one place that is looking for people right now and that would be the railroad. As a conductor you would be gone a lot, and not always the best for a family but CN I know is doing a big push for getting people seeing a lot of their workforce will be gone soon (baby boomers). The pay is good even just starting out, however you have to know that you will be gone a lot.

    Other areas are like the tech people, etc so there are things out there, but once again it just may require moving.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited January 2011
    Have you cut out all of your unnecessary expenses, such as cell phone (get a throw away if you need one), cable and internet? Many of these monthly expenses add up to a sizable amount of money that you could use immediately to help put a roof over your heads and are more creature comforts rather than necessities. If you have a library in your city, you can almost assuredly get on the web that way if you need access to e-mail or job leads.

    Maybe I'm overreacting to the desperation of your situation, but the tent reference leads us to believe you're basically on the streets ( :confused: ).

    I'm sorry to hear about your situation, and I hope that something comes to you soon. I agree with others who are urging you to think about bailing your area (state, really) for places with more jobs. Texas seems to be good. Even out west in Montana and Wyoming (which is mostly rural) is booming with the mining industry.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,773
    edited January 2011
    How do you move to another state with a wife, 4 kids, and only $400?

    And then when he moves, I doubt he could get a house for $575 a month. The Saginaw area is cheap, because no one wants to live there. I know here in northern Michigan, a three bedroom would be at least $1000+ utilities, and that's for a not so nice house.
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  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 3,039
    edited January 2011
    ....and, are you sure you can be evicted this quickly? It differs from state to state, but in PA evcition takes months!
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited January 2011
    muncybob wrote: »
    ....and, are you sure you can be evicted this quickly? It differs from state to state, but in PA evcition takes months!

    Good point. I know at least in Massachusetts they're legally not allowed to put a family with kids on the street without a LOT of extra time and effort. Landlords rely on people's ignorance of these laws to kick them out anyway, but you may be able to stick it out for longer than you think.
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  • fbm211
    fbm211 Posts: 1,488
    edited January 2011
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    I have to agree with the above. If honestly there are no jobs by you, and housing is to expensive then you may have to move to an area where you can get house and a job easier.

    It will throw you out of your comfort zone, but if you do have children with needs with schools, often many schools will understand the situation. Also depending on what you do/company apply for some will offer relocation assistance so that the move won't be as bad or tough.

    I know one place that is looking for people right now and that would be the railroad. As a conductor you would be gone a lot, and not always the best for a family but CN I know is doing a big push for getting people seeing a lot of their workforce will be gone soon (baby boomers). The pay is good even just starting out, however you have to know that you will be gone a lot.

    Other areas are like the tech people, etc so there are things out there, but once again it just may require moving.

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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited January 2011
    I agree with everything Doro and Tony B mentioned. That being said I feel terrible for you, and pray things turn around for you ASAP. This could happen to anyone here on this forum at any given time. In your case, family and all, I would definitely contribute to the cause, at least something for food. It would be nice if we could all chip in and help, but some others are going through it themselves. Take no offense guys. PM me a way to get something sent to you, paypal whatever and I'll do what I can.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,957
    edited January 2011
    Dude, I thought you said you had a deposit and a couple months rent in the bank ? Then you tell us you only have 400. I'm confused, because everywhere I see in that area wants at least one month security deposit and first months rent upfront. Your nowhere near those requirements. How much can you afford a month for rent ? No B.S. now, because between us all,we may be able to help get you in the door somewhere, and I mean this with the highest respect for you and your family.
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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited January 2011
    If it's such a tough time, don't think about how big a place should be for you to be able to stay in. Just downgrade, go rent a 2-bedroom, or even a 1-bedroom to save money for later. Hell, a 1-bedroom in the States is even bigger than the whole house in other countries. You're lucky you can still enjoy a steady pay check. Adapt to the situation.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,391
    edited January 2011
    Sounds like it's not such a bad idea to live up to your moniker and be a "dudeinaroom" rather than a "dadwithnoroof".
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2011
    Sherardp wrote: »
    I agree with everything Doro and Tony B mentioned. That being said I feel terrible for you, and pray things turn around for you ASAP. This could happen to anyone here on this forum at any given time. In your case, family and all, I would definitely contribute to the cause, at least something for food. It would be nice if we could all chip in and help, but some others are going through it themselves. Take no offense guys. PM me a way to get something sent to you, paypal whatever and I'll do what I can.


    Thanks for your support gang and were getting some positive response so far.

    If you want to donate, do so but at least offer some moral and close support for someone who is going some tough times. I don't agree with what he has done in certain aspects but that's beds the point.

    We help our own, we help out members and I'm personally committed to assist. You form your own opinion and resolve.

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  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited January 2011
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Good point. I know at least in Massachusetts they're legally not allowed to put a family with kids on the street without a LOT of extra time and effort. Landlords rely on people's ignorance of these laws to kick them out anyway, but you may be able to stick it out for longer than you think.

    Especially during the winter. I have family that owns rentals, and they don't even bother trying to evict people during the winter, because it's next to impossible, unless theres illicit activity going on and you get the cops involved.
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited January 2011
    nadams wrote: »
    Especially during the winter. I have family that owns rentals, and they don't even bother trying to evict people during the winter, because it's next to impossible, unless theres illicit activity going on and you get the cops involved.
    Tell your local TV news and or papers about your dillema both to get money and to put pressure on your landlord, odds are someone will offer you a rental also before its all said and done.



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    Well, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all :D
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited January 2011
    Ok, hubby's probably gonna kick my butt for stopping by under his screen name but I had to after seeing all your posts and since he's at work.........this is Dude's Wife for this reply!

    First of all, I have to say all you guys here have been so wonderful over the years and have made Dude one really happy camper and I can't thank you all enough. (I've been wanting to tell you all that for a long time now.)

    Here in MI there is nothing that protects a family. Heck, they can shut off your utilities in the middle of winter if you can't get help through one of the state agencies. We'll get a 24 hour notice any day now. Thankfully, we got a lead on a place today that he's going to look at after work tomorrow and is within our price range and the size is doable for the short term. We have looked (more so he than I) outside our normal "comfort zones" for work and run into many obstacles. The other part of the dilemma is the boys - one of us needs to be available at a moment's notice should a problem arise and are fortunate to have teachers that are fairly willing to work with us and the boys which is actually harder to find than one might think. We have had an offer, if we can't figure something out, to move to TX and there MIGHT be a job available and we would have a few people we know there but no guarantees and in this economy, we're kind of forced to stay in the area because one of us is actually working. I have started the application process to get SSI for the boys but of course there is no guarantee and it could take years.

    We are in one of the lowest income areas in the state and housing is "more affordable" here than anywhere else. It's not like we're trying to stay in an area that's way over our heads - everyone around here is in the same boat for the most part and the landlords don't get it and on top of that we are in one of the few counties in the state without Rental Codes because the people who are on the committee that would set them up are all landlords so of course they don't want those. Then there is the judge who handles L/T cases who is friends with most of the landlords and will argue that it's a small town and everyone just knows everyone if you ask him to recuse himself. It's a losing situation for most in the area. I know, then get out. Then the job situation comes up again! lol

    Not sure why he said we have a few months rent - perhaps he meant that we can cover the next few month's rent with no problem because we have a reliable income now. He can answer that later. I have the Red Cross ready to help us get in and should be able to get other help if we need it, all we have to do is come to an agreement with the landlord. We have tried for some 2 bedroom places but with 4 kids, people don't want to rent to us and the government subsidized places will only rent us a 3 bedroom. We understand that we're not the only ones on hard times - he just gets frustrated at our lack of luck in various aspects of life but I am trying to get things turned around and to find a way to get him back to school for whatever he wants to go for, it's just going to take time. If we stay in the area, we can afford $500/month max being realistic with other utilities that will need to be paid. The last time we ran into hard times, we camped all summer with a 2 month old, 3 and 4.5 year old (Dudeinatent) so we know we can get through this one. As we like to say, I'm optimistically pessimistic and he is pessimistically optimistic. Food is not an issue, we've always got that covered and usually have the housing thing covered - no cable, government discount cell program to get us the bare minimum for what we need for a phone and internet is through a prepaid cell which only costs a few bucks a month. We trimmed the "fat" a long time ago when we saw things getting tight and always look to do things cheaper or for free. Turning things around is just taking longer than he'd like but at least I know he has you all to come and get ideas from!

    You all are an amazing group of people and wish everyone could be this kind to each other in times of need! (And yes, I get some hearty laughs at some of the bantering that goes on while reading over his shoulder!) And no, we will not sell the SDAs, I'll sell myself on a street corner before they go! ;)

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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited January 2011
    tonyb wrote: »
    Dude, I thought you said you had a deposit and a couple months rent in the bank ?
    dudeinaroom wrote: »
    I'm not asking anyone here for any help, even though I do appreciate it. The biggest issue I have is shelter for my family. Between the Red Cross, DHS, and personal funds, I have enough to cover a deposit and a few months of rent, with steady money coming in every two weeks.

    Guess I should have clarified it a little more. I can get help from the Red Cross to cover either first months rent or the security deposit, and DHS to cover the other. First month and in the door is covered. With steady income I will have the next month covered as I will have at least another pay check by the time rent is due. I should be able to keep a float until I can find something better.

    I have talked with my wife a couple of times about moving out of state, but with her grandmother not in the best of health does not want to move to far away yet. I might be able to do northern Indiana or norther Ohio (God I hated those O-HI-O commercials).
    fbm211 wrote: »
    How does one apply for the railroad job??
    Man that would be cool, might get bored though.

    I must thank some of you for the slap in the face. My wife is right, we do need me to get some schoolin'. I know what I want to do. I would have to go for a dual masters. One in Electronic Engineering and another in Audio Engineering and a minor in acoustics/physics. (I want to record the music, amplify the music, then reproduce the music.) Seriously though, I would not mind getting a degree in Electronics, I think that would be my best fit. Be it in Electrical Engineering or in Electronics Engineering Technology.

    I do appreciate the help that you are all offering, but it is not what I was looking for. I truly was looking for Ways to make a page that would generate enough traffic to pull something like this off. I know it would take months, but so would they type of loan I was looking for. I figured if a guy could do it for a car why couldn't I do it for a house.
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited January 2011
    dudeinaroom wrote: »
    Guess I should have clarified it a little more. I can get help from the Red Cross to cover either first months rent or the security deposit, and DHS to cover the other. First month and in the door is covered. With steady income I will have the next month covered as I will have at least another pay check by the time rent is due. I should be able to keep a float until I can find something better.

    I figured if a guy could do it for a car why couldn't I do it for a house.
    Well it looks like you may be ok if you can find a house to rent, certainly going back to school is a great idea not sure it is realistic though, how are you going to keep the wife and kids housed fed clothed on a school loan? unless you work full time. It looks like that moving closer to family that may able to help with babysitting and or housing while you both work may be your best bet to gain a little nest egg.

    Getting a double masters while working full time would be almost impossible, there simply isnt enough hours in the day, Do you have an associates or bachelors yet?

    I wish you and yours the best of luck Ted but to be honest no one owes you a house and begging for one on the internet isnt something I could do, of course I dont have 4 kids to take care of either.

    REGARDS SNOW
    Well, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all :D
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  • Polkersince85
    Polkersince85 Posts: 2,883
    edited January 2011
    I don't know what your tax situation is but there are fairly generous child tax credits and earned income credits which you may qualify for. There are also additional exemptions for the disabled in the household. Look into that pronto.
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited January 2011
    Found a place to rent last night. Went and met with the owner, sounds like we can move in next week. Got home and then got a call from a lady who got my number from a real estate broker, and she has a place she would be willing to do a land contract on, for the same as rent at the other place, plus it is bigger and has another bedroom. It is also in the same area as the rental place (which may also do a land contract). I had a kid eruption while I was on the phone with the lady who owns the four bedroom place, so I am going to contact her tomorrow and arrange a viewing. Outright she wants 27,000 for it. So we will see, she did say it did need some work though, but is livable, so we shall see.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    Looks like good news either way. Great.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2011
    Dude, Let me know what your Paypal addy is offline. A handful of members and I have a nice care package to send to you. It includes **** mags and crossword puzzles. Seriously, hit me up, just hover on my name. If not mnestor @polkaudio.com

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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited January 2011
    Great to hear Ted :smile:



    REGARDS SNOW
    Well, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all :D
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,391
    edited January 2011
    dudeinaroom wrote: »
    Found a place to rent last night. Went and met with the owner, sounds like we can move in next week. Got home and then got a call from a lady who got my number from a real estate broker, and she has a place she would be willing to do a land contract on, for the same as rent at the other place, plus it is bigger and has another bedroom. It is also in the same area as the rental place (which may also do a land contract). I had a kid eruption while I was on the phone with the lady who owns the four bedroom place, so I am going to contact her tomorrow and arrange a viewing. Outright she wants 27,000 for it. So we will see, she did say it did need some work though, but is livable, so we shall see.

    If it needs some work and it can be yours, I say take it. Perhaps we can have an "Extreme Makeover: Polkie Edition" at your place and get it fixed up in short order. I know I am good for a keg and a few gallons of paint.:smile:

    Good luck bro!
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  • markmarc
    markmarc Posts: 2,309
    edited January 2011
    Having a school and a teacher that can really work with bipolar kids is HUGE reason to stay in the area.

    Tomorrow afternoon look for a class D desktop amp in the Flea Market, all proceeds going to Dudeinaroom.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited January 2011
    Wow, that's great ! 27K is about as much as a down payment around me!(Central MD) Just please make Damn sure of what you're signing, have a lawyer take a peak if possible. Post some pics of the new place if you can !:biggrin:
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    markmarc Posts: 2,309
    edited January 2011
    The amp ad is now up in the Flea Market.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited January 2011
    markmarc wrote: »
    The amp ad is now up in the Flea Market.

    Wish we had a greater selection of "smileys" ! Insert clapping smiley here!Very thoughtful of you markmarc !!:biggrin:
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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,602
    edited January 2011
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    Very nice Marc!
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  • dcmeigs
    dcmeigs Posts: 708
    edited January 2011
    dudeinaroom wrote: »
    Found a place to rent last night. Went and met with the owner, sounds like we can move in next week. Got home and then got a call from a lady who got my number from a real estate broker, and she has a place she would be willing to do a land contract on, for the same as rent at the other place, plus it is bigger and has another bedroom. It is also in the same area as the rental place (which may also do a land contract). I had a kid eruption while I was on the phone with the lady who owns the four bedroom place, so I am going to contact her tomorrow and arrange a viewing. Outright she wants 27,000 for it. So we will see, she did say it did need some work though, but is livable, so we shall see.

    I'm coming to this discussion a little late, but are you really sure you want to buy a house in an area with no jobs? I understand that 27K is cheap, but that's like stepping into concrete in my opinion. Wouldn't it be better to save up for a more permanent fix, such as a move to an area with an active jobs market? How about a moderate climate where you're not spending so much on utilities? Cheap housing is available in many areas of the country now.
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  • markmarc
    markmarc Posts: 2,309
    edited January 2011
    Can someone PM me the email for donations please. Thanks
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