What in your path caused the biggest change?

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,650
edited December 2010 in 2 Channel Audio
Hands down the biggest change I have heard at this point - in order is as follows...

1) Crossover upgrades - This literally transformed everything
2) MIT Shotgun Cables - Another immediate, positive difference
3) Keeping it simple.. No eqs, no crossovers, no extra things in the mix - CDP > PRE > Amp > Speakers
4) Having a good quality Source
5) Tube Preamp
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited November 2010
    Dedicated cryoed 10 ga 20 amp line, and Furutech 20amp gold recept.
    Testing
    Testing
    Testing
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2010
    It was a set of Polk drivers that I was using to replace some foam surround drivers with. I heard them and it was a gradual downhill slope from that till I got my SDA'2. It was all over after that.
    Ben
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • doctor r
    doctor r Posts: 837
    edited November 2010
    Tubes

    Tubed CDP - Tubed Preamp - Tubed Poweramps.
    The VAC Standard LE pre made my system 4 levels better IMO.
    integrated w/DAC module Gryphon Diablo 300
    server Wolf Alpha 3SX
    phono pre Dynamic Sounds Associates Phono II
    turntable/tonearms Origin Live Sovereign Mk3 dual arm, Origin Live Enterprise Mk4, Origin Live Illustrious Mk3c
    cartridges Miyajima Madake, Ortofon Windfeld Ti, Ortofon
    speakers Rockport Mira II
    cables Synergistic Research Cables, Gryphon VPI XLR, Sablon 2020 USB
    rack Adona Eris 6dw
    ultrasonic cleaner Degritter
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited November 2010
    Depends on where I was in my audio journey as to what made the biggest change. Everything affects everything.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited November 2010
    .....5) Tube Preamp

    It was the Audio Research SP-1 preamplifier.
    Made in the USA and made with great Respect
    to the High End Client.
  • zarrdoss
    zarrdoss Posts: 2,562
    edited November 2010
    Joining this forum.
  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,500
    edited November 2010
    Acoustic treatments. Saves a bunch of floundering around. If the room has problems, you absolutely cannot get a totally accurate representation of the gear in the mix.
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited November 2010
    1. My speakers
    2. My DAC
    3. Passive linestage

    In that order...
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited November 2010
    zarrdoss wrote: »
    Joining this forum.

    I have to agree!!! lol:tongue:

    Crossover Upgrades W/RDO's
    Spikes!!! That was huge.
    Getting a dedicated Pre Amp!! Another huge step.
    MIT Shotgun Cables!!
    Tubes (Phono Pre, Pre Amp)
    Power Cords
    Room Treatments

    All of these made a huge impact and are in no paticular order.

    Can't forget the rings I made for the drivers and passives of my SDA's:cool:
  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    .
    100) Cables and Interconnects (The law of diminishing returns applies here)


    Can't help yourself can you??? This wasn't asked..

    Trolling at it's finest!!
  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited November 2010
    Discovering SDA's:smile:

    More serious power amp

    Source/External DAC

    Speaker placement
    2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's

    Living Room: PC > Marantz AV-7703 > Emotiva XPA-5 > Sonus Faber Liuto Towers, Sonus Faber Liuto Center, Sonus Faber Liuto Bookshelves > Dual SVS PC12-Pluses

    Office: Phone/Tablet > AudioEngine B1 > McIntosh D100 > Bryston 4B-ST > Polk Audio LSiM-703's
  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    edited November 2010
    deleted...will re post
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    1) Speakers
    2) Source
    3) Amplifier
    4) Preamp
    5) Room Treatments
    .
    .
    100) Cables and Interconnects (The law of diminishing returns applies here)
    Can't help yourself can you??? This wasn't asked..

    Trolling at it's finest!!

    Some things never change huh:rolleyes:
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
  • quadzilla
    quadzilla Posts: 1,543
    edited November 2010
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Depends on where I was in my audio journey as to what made the biggest change. Everything affects everything.

    This. First big change was going from a low-end HK to a Pio Elite AVR. Then there was much mucking around without a lot of results until I went to external amplification. More mucking around until I switched to Anti-cables speaker cable in a bi-amp configuration, etc.

    The last really big change was just simply learning to properly set up my turntable and getting a really good tube phono stage. This one is a really good example because I thought I had my cart set up properly. It sounded fine on my old pre. But once I got the Aural Thrills, I could hear a lot of cart break up. Once I got really, really painstaking in my cart set up, they started working together to provide some truly amazing sound.

    So there isn't one thing that I can point to and say "that's the change that made all the difference, or even the biggest difference."
    Turntable: Empire 208
    Arm: Rega 300
    Cart: Shelter 501 III
    Phono Pre: Aural Thrills
    Digital: Pioneer DV-79ai
    Pre: Conrad Johnson ET3 SE
    Amp: Conrad Johnson Evolution 2000
    Cables: Cardas Neutral Reference
    Speakers: SDA 2.3TL, heavily modified
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited November 2010
    I have to agree!!! lol:tongue:

    Crossover Upgrades W/RDO's
    Spikes!!! That was huge.
    Getting a dedicated Pre Amp!! Another huge step.
    MIT Shotgun Cables!!
    Tubes (Phono Pre, Pre Amp)
    Power Cords
    Room Treatments

    All of these made a huge impact and are in no paticular order.

    Can't forget the rings I made for the drivers and passives of my SDA's:cool:

    Mine is close Larry;

    1) Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista 300

    2) xover upgrades & RDO198s

    3) MIT Shotgun S3s ICs all around

    4) Raysonic CD 168 (closest thing to analog in CDP I've ever heard)

    5) ZYX Airy 3 Cartridge.

    If I had to pick just one it would be a tie between the xover upgrades and the Tri-Vista.
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited November 2010
    The Shuguang Treasure 300B integrated amp was the biggest and best change to my system.
  • ShinAce
    ShinAce Posts: 1,194
    edited November 2010
    1) speakers
    2) room treatments
    3) alcohol

    That is all.
  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited November 2010
    I'd have to say Modwright tube preamp made the biggest difference.
  • Jetmaker737
    Jetmaker737 Posts: 1,047
    edited November 2010
    My LSi-15's. Since then the rest of the system has had to change to measure up.
    Ern Dog wrote: »
    I'd have to say Modwright tube preamp made the biggest difference.

    I hear ya brother.... I love mine!
    SystemLuxman L-590AXII Integrated Amplifier|KEF Reference 1 Loudspeakers|PS Audio Directream Jr|Sansui TU-9900 Tuner|TEAC A-6100 RtR|Nakamichi RX-202 Cassette
  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    edited November 2010
    Several years ago I purchased a new pair of RT55i's and found this forum...It started there.

    By reading more and more on here I went from just having a basic Onkyo receiver and the 55's to what you see in my signature.....A lot of Polk and other stuff.

    I realize that my system is still not a top end system, but I will keep upgrading as I can and maybe some day I will have one.

    So, joining this place would be the biggest difference:biggrin:, since I wouldn't have know what I was missing. Now just missing a lot of money:redface:
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,775
    edited November 2010
    Speakers and placement have made the biggest difference. Anything else has always been subtle at best.
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited November 2010
    Tubes, horns and vinyl.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited November 2010
    zarrdoss wrote: »
    Joining this forum.



    I agree 100% or so :redface: It has also cost me plenty but well worth it :smile:

    When I upgraded the x-overs in my three pair of Polks I gotta say they were the most effective and economically wise decisions I ever made.


    Buying 2 Mullard and 2 Mazda tubes for the Anthem PRE2L for about $100. each made a huge difference in sound quality. Not an inexpensive upgrade but well worth it. The music blossomed and became realistic, no B.S. it transformed the entire scope of my listening pleasure. As someone around here says "tubes rule".

    Upgrading the caps in my Anthem PRE2L was a great move for the dollar spent. For $50.00 you can't beat it and it was a easy DIY upgrade. I have a thread around here explaining the upgrade process I think.
  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited November 2010
    #1 Dropping transistors in favor of tubes #2 trying many different components in my system and listening room to help me discern what my preferences really are.
    Rogue Audio stereo 100 tube amplifier - Lector Zoe preamplifier with 6H30 pi's
    .Audience AU24SE speaker and ic cables- Chord Qutest DAC - Black Cat Silverstar II 75ohm digital cable-Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Signature system with large bass cabinets to accommodate 10" Seas magnesium woofers.2xhmpsuownoj.jpg
  • lmuller1
    lmuller1 Posts: 16
    edited November 2010
    Speakers and placements I would put at the top of the list. I would say source material is huge. Can't stand poorly recorded music or over-eq'd stuff. I find most live recordings hard to listen to. Thank goodness there are many exceptions to this.
    Power for big headroom. dbx bx-3 mk2 400/ch, dbx bx-2 250/ch, QSC 1400 300/ch and QSC CX-702 700/ch. Makes for effortless control. I'll take too much power over not enough any day. When I went from a QSC model 1400 at to the CX-702 on my dbx sf1's and was stunned at the difference.
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited November 2010
    lmuller1 wrote: »
    I would say source material is huge. Can't stand poorly recorded music or over-eq'd stuff.

    Agreed. Most non-audiophiles have no idea how much of a difference this makes.
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2010
    People telling me to use great top dollar shelf stuff when I could mod middle of the road stuff to kick butt.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2010
    1> Speakers
    2> Clean and abundant wall power
    3> Ample amp power

    I have a feeling when I get around to it: Dumping passive x-over components and going fully active with enough channels of amplification. Which will have the side benefit of about 30% more power getting to the driver instead of warming resistors on a passive x-over. A 2 for 1 type upgrade.
  • BottomFeeder
    BottomFeeder Posts: 1,684
    edited November 2010
    Moving from a, gulp, receiver, to an NAD integrated.
    "Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then." Bob Seger
  • 98Badger
    98Badger Posts: 317
    edited November 2010
    1. Speakers without a doubt
    2. Well recorded material
    3. Plenty of power
    4. Quality sub
    5. Good DAC