to bi wire

leftwinger57

HY Guys,
It's been a while since last visited and since my 2- ch gear is growing I'd
like to inprove on my speakers. I'm kinda leaning towards vintage Klipsch
but it's not my only choice. What I have heard is to bi wire speakers.1st
question is why and 2nd is there any real advantage. Now tell me if I'm wrong but it seems that a jumper goes from one speaker to the other then only one set to the amp. Can this be right.Again not sure so let me know
H/T
Toshiba au37
Yamaha rx-v665 avr
Denon 1940 cdp
Klipsch 500 w/ 8insub
Yamaha ysd-11 dock
Apple i-pod
2-channel
Adcom gfa555 200wpc
Onkyo p-301 pre
Infinity sm112s
Denon 1940 cdp
Shure-pro headphones

nguyendot

Please do a search on the forum, this topic has been beat to death so many times.

Biwiring is running two sets of cable to EACH speaker, one for the high, one for the low, and removing the jumper block on the back of the speaker terminals.

You will probably not even see a difference....but yes, please search.

ben62670

Don't bother with the BiWiring. Get one set of good cables.
Ben

samnor

To the OP, while you're at it, might as well do a search on the associated topic of biamping, and the meaning of passive and active biamping... another topic that has been butchered fairly well enough...

Pinktulip7

leftwinger57 wrote: »

HY Guys,
It's been a while since last visited and since my 2- ch gear is growing I'd
like to inprove on my speakers. I'm kinda leaning towards vintage Klipsch
but it's not my only choice. What I have heard is to bi wire speakers.1st
question is why and 2nd is there any real advantage. Now tell me if I'm wrong but it seems that a jumper goes from one speaker to the other then only one set to the amp. Can this be right.Again not sure so let me know
H/T
Toshiba au37
Yamaha rx-v665 avr
Denon 1940 cdp
Klipsch 500 w/ 8insub
Yamaha ysd-11 dock
Apple i-pod
2-channel
Adcom gfa555 200wpc
Onkyo p-301 pre
Infinity sm112s
Denon 1940 cdp
Shure-pro headphones

Experiment a must..I have done Bi-Wiring which improve sound 10-15%
but then that just me,everybody have different opinion so experiment first..

BlueFox

nguyendot wrote: »

You will probably not even see a difference....

You will see a difference; two pair of wires versus one pair. However, you will not hear a difference. :biggrin:

derouyag

Personally, I think it depends more on the speaker design. For instance, I have a pair of TSI400 speakers, they have one tweeter and three woofers. When bi-amping, the tweeter gets power from one channel and the woofers get power from the other. The TSI series would have virtually no benefit AT ALL from bi-amping.

Now a speaker that has a tweeter, midrange, and woofer, MIGHT be different. In this case the one channel would feed the tweeter and midrange, while the second channel would feed the woofers. I do not have speakers to even test this. So I can't say there would be a benefit or not, but this type of separation would lend itself to bi-amping much more so than the TSI series of speaker.

Now this might also depend on how you feed the bi-amped speaker. If sending power from a receiver, then you may very well not see any benefit either because (from what I hear) the power is shared. Now if you use an external amp, which has it's own dedicated power for each channel; again you MIGHT see a benefit. But not from the TSI series of speaker of course. I wonder, if in this case you would over power the TSI tweeter.

Good luck with this though. Other people would know much more about this than I would. But I think clarity can not come from one's opinions, but from testing for each speaker, receiver or amp combination. Unfortunately, too many people have opinions and no hard facts. I can only tell you what the TSI 400 does, and assume for the TSI 500 because it only has a tweeter and woofer design the same as the TSI 400. My results are the same as others, no real benefit; but then I don't have a separate amp and a speaker design that lends itself to bi-amping.

I wonder if someone with RTi A7 or A9 (not the A5) or LSi15 or LSi25 speakers can test with an external amp for bi-amping? This might tell us how the power is handled and if there is any benefit.

dorokusai

I bi-wire because it's possible. Have I heard a noticeable difference in any of the hundred speakers I've had pass thru my home? Nope.

vc69

dorokusai wrote: »

I bi-wire because it's possible. Have I heard a noticeable difference in any of the hundred speakers I've had pass thru my home? Nope.

Yup, same here. I have bi-wire cables so I use them. If I had singles, I'd make good jumpers and be done, which is how I run my fronts in my HT setup.

derouyag

I notice that PinkTulip7 is the only one I see so far that has the setup I am talking about; RTi A9 on a separate amp. I also notice he mentions a 10-15% benefit.

Now looking at vc69, using a TX-SR606 and LS 90's, it is unlikely he would see any benefit because of the receiver being used. Now if he switched to a TX-NR708 and an external amp, he might hear a difference.

As for dorokusai, who knows what he has so it is hard to comment. No offense intended.

Again, I think it has more to do with equipment configuration than saying yes it has a benefit or no benefit.

Maybe using two different amps to power the speaker, a low powered amp for the tweeter and midrange, combined with a high powered amp for the sub/woofer side of the speaker. Benefits can only be quantified by testing specific setups.

Now is there a thread that specifically talks about the EQUIPMENT being used for the bi-amping. If so, please direct me there. I would love to see what equipment people use to bi-amp.

For example, I might change my setup to include an external 5 channel amp. I'll keep the back surrounds, front high, front wide, and front tweeters and such on the receiver, and use the external 5 channel amp for the fronts (woofers), center, surround. Hmmm sounds like an interesting bi-amping test; AND I could even do this with my TSI400.

dorokusai

derouyag wrote: »

I notice that PinkTulip7 is the only one I see so far that has the setup I am talking about; RTi A9 on a separate amp. I also notice he mentions a 10-15% benefit.

Now looking at vc69, using a TX-SR606 and LS 90's, it is unlikely he would see any benefit because of the receiver being used. Now if he switched to a TX-NR708 and an external amp, he might hear a difference.

As for dorokusai, who knows what he has so it is hard to comment. No offense intended.

Again, I think it has more to do with equipment configuration than saying yes it has a benefit or no benefit.

Maybe using two different amps to power the speaker, a low powered amp for the tweeter and midrange, combined with a high powered amp for the sub/woofer side of the speaker. Benefits can only be quantified by testing specific setups.

Now is there a thread that specifically talks about the EQUIPMENT being used for the bi-amping. If so, please direct me there. I would love to see what equipment people use to bi-amp.

For example, I might change my setup to include an external 5 channel amp. I'll keep the back surrounds, front high, front wide, and front tweeters and such on the receiver, and use the external 5 channel amp for the fronts (woofers), center, surround. Hmmm sounds like an interesting bi-amping test; AND I could even do this with my TSI400.

No offense at all. My rig changes so much that listing my gear would be silly. I have only one thing that will never change and has powered every rig since 2003....been at Polkfests'...and at other larger audio events....my CTC amplifier.

I'm also a MIT cables fan so that's usually a given but otherwise I'll try anything that might sound good....should sound good....has never sounded good....etc etc.

You should try and listen to everything possible, regardless of popular opinion. Sure, take all that into account but in the end, decide for yourself. Don't sweat what others say

newrival

BlueFox wrote: »

You will see a difference; two pair of wires versus one pair. However, you will not hear a difference. :biggrin:

Well said

newrival

You can also find cables that are specifically made for bi-wiring so that can help cut down on clutter. Mybe I'm oversimplifying this but it appears to me that removing the bridge and bi-wiring only moves the bridge (or jumper) point closer to the amp. I bought Bi-wire cables on accident once and thought i'd try them out while they were there. I couldn't hear any difference at all. Then again I may not have the most refined ears, and so I agree with doro that you should check it out for yourself and see what you think. the worst that can happen is that youll be out the money of another set of cables.

dorokusai

newrival wrote: »

Well said

I love that statement. Awesome BF :biggrin:

If you don't try out things why bother being here? This hobby is all about doing new things and that's what you should do, regardless of what the collective say. I've personaly been able tp experience all kinds of stuff minus popular opinion, that I simply took a chance on or was led by the minority. You'll get great advise here but also go with your gut. You'll lose, you'll win, who cares...you'll learn.

newrival

dorokusai wrote: »

You'll lose, you'll win, who cares...you'll learn.

As Mark Twain was credited to say, "A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he could learn in no other way."

:biggrin: