Vick's performance.
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Playing professional football isn't a privilege, it's a job. It takes a huge amount of talent and athleticism to play at the top level. I hate what the guy did, and I really have no idea if he truly remorseful, but like it or not he's good for the game of football.
Or is he bad for the game in that he has brought shame to himself, his team, his sport, and the league? I see it from this perspective, and I cannot for the life of me understand why others don't. I guess I must be a really OLD 45, because I still remember a time when ethics and integrity counted for something. 25 years ago, his career in football would have been over. Pete Rose comes to mind here. He was banned for life for betting on a few dozen baseball games, and to this day, the ban still stands. Today players cheat through the use of illegal substances every single day and get short suspensions. Is this not cheating?
The fact that we have no ethics left in sport is symptomatic of a much larger problem, and it makes itself felt in every walk of life. Our kids learn there are no real consequences for their choices. Do you not think that a player, knowing they would lose EVERYTHING for driving drunk and killing someone, or for using illegal substances, or being a convicted felon, would make better descisions? Perhaps not, and they should be banned, but there are others that would after seeing that poor behavior has consequences, and it is those players I could cheer for all day long.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Then so be it... I don't care how many good players would be removed from the league because of their conduct or criminal backround. I am sick of seeing good and decent people not get a shot so we can worship the abilities of the thugs that seem to be taking over. Have we become so jaded that we no longer have any morals or decency left?/QUOTE]
You're missing the bigger picture. A great player makes a team better. A better team wins game thus bringing money into the city and economy. -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Or is he bad for the game in that he has brought shame to himself, his team, his sport, and the league? I see it from this perspective, and I cannot for the life of me understand why others don't. I guess I must be a really OLD 45, because I still remember a time when ethics and integrity counted for something. 25 years ago, his career in football would have been over. Pete Rose comes to mind here. He was banned for life for betting on a few dozen baseball games, and to this day, the ban still stands. Today players cheat through the use of illegal substances every single day and get short suspensions. Is this not cheating?
The fact that we have no ethics left in sport is symptomatic of a much larger problem, and it makes itself felt in every walk of life. Our kids learn there are no real consequences for their choices. Do you not think that a player, knowing they would lose EVERYTHING for driving drunk and killing someone, or for using illegal substances, or being a convicted felon, would make better descisions?
John, I agree that the lack of accountabilty and ethics in todays society sucks. You aren't much older than me, and was raised much differently than kids are today.
The Pete Rose thing is just retarded. The guy deserves to be in the hall of fame, period.
Dante Stallworth got drunk, got in his car, and killed a human being. He got 30 days in jail, and a 1 year NFL suspension. Yet no one talks about what an **** he is. I just don't get it."They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin, February 17th, 1775.
"The day that I have to give up my constitutional rights AND let some dude rub my junk...well, let's just say that it's gonna be a real bad day for the dude trying to rub my junk!!"
messiah, November 23rd, 2010 -
John, I agree that the lack of accountabilty and ethics in todays society sucks. You aren't much older than me, and was raised much differently than kids are today.
The Pete Rose thing is just retarded. The guy deserves to be in the hall of fame, period.
Dante Stallworth got drunk, got in his car, and killed a human being. He got 30 days in jail, and a 1 year NFL suspension. Yet no one talks about what an **** he is. I just don't get it.
So why tolerate it just because the guy can throw a ball?The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Or is he bad for the game in that he has brought shame to himself, his team, his sport, and the league? I see it from this perspective, and I cannot for the life of me understand why others don't. I guess I must be a really OLD 45, because I still remember a time when ethics and integrity counted for something. 25 years ago, his career in football would have been over. Pete Rose comes to mind here. He was banned for life for betting on a few dozen baseball games, and to this day, the ban still stands. Today players cheat through the use of illegal substances every single day and get short suspensions. Is this not cheating?
The fact that we have no ethics left in sport is symptomatic of a much larger problem, and it makes itself felt in every walk of life. Our kids learn there are no real consequences for their choices. Do you not think that a player, knowing they would lose EVERYTHING for driving drunk and killing someone, or for using illegal substances, or being a convicted felon, would make better descisions? Perhaps not, and they should be banned, but there are others that would after seeing that poor behavior has consequences, and it is those players I could cheer for all day long.
I am out on this one.
Do you cheer for the sexual deviant and serial adulterer who plays QB for your beloved Vikings? How about the alcoholic who plays QB for your beloved Vikings? How about the guy that was abusing prescription pain killers and plays QB for your beloved Vikings?
I know you cheer(ed) for him! I'll bet now you'll tell me the difference is that Vick was convicted of being a scumbag and that twinkle toes just hasn't gotten rung up yet, right? Some double standard you have.
I'm glad we live in a country where people can earn the opportunity to turn their lives around for the better. There are some great people who have done bad things and managed to get on the straight and narrow. Does it happen often? No.
Whether or not it will be the case with Vick is a story that has yet to be completely penned. I'll watch with a skeptical eye, but I do hope he can manage to be one of the few who has learned from his disgusting past.
He deserves nothing. He proved why he's earned a spot on an NFL roster after he served his time last night. If you, as a parent, can't teach your child some valuable lessons using Vick's story, then you're not a very good parent. -
I would avoid using Pete Rose at a counter-example. He broke the number one rule in baseball. One that has been posted in EVERY clubhouse for the last century. Ethical or not, it has long been considered THE cardinal sin of the sport - and one that Rose committed knowingly. That alone displays such a heinous disregard for the history of the game that it makes it almost impossible to let him into the Hall.
Not speaking from a moral perspective. Just looking at it from the perspective of the institution itself.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
Do you cheer for the sexual deviant and serial adulterer who plays QB for your beloved Vikings? How about the alcoholic who plays QB for your beloved Vikings? How about the guy that was abusing prescription pain killers and plays QB for your beloved Vikings?
As a matter of fact, I don't support Favre... He should have stayed home this year, and I am on record saying so prior to the suckage that occured so far this season. that said, his conduct is not even close to comparable to Vick's... Tiger Woods...maybe.:rolleyes:He deserves nothing. He proved why he's earned a spot on an NFL roster after he served his time last night. If you, as a parent, can't teach your child some valuable lessons using Vick's story, then you're not a very good parent.
I am boggled by this as a case could be made for both sides here. There is the "see son, that guy was convicted of doing unspeakable things to dogs, and went to prison, but now he can play football. You can be just like him."
Then there is "see son, that guy sitting on the bus bench used to be a great football player, but because he decided to do horrible things to his animals, he went to prison and lost everything. You don't want to be anything like him."
I know which one, as a parent I would choose, and that is the one that teaches ethics and accountability.
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“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
nooshinjohn wrote: »As a matter of fact, I don't support Favre... He should have stayed home this year, and I am on record saying so prior to the suckage that occured so far this season. that said, his conduct is not even close to comparable to Vick's... Tiger Woods...maybe.:rolleyes:
The point seems to have alluded you. You're on record being a fan of a guy who hardly has a stellar past and is in the middle of a sexual harassment case, but I digress...nooshinjohn wrote: »I am boggled by this as a case could be made for both sides here. There is the "see son, that guy was convicted of doing unspeakable things to dogs, and went to prison, but now he can play football. You can be just like him."
Then there is "see son, that guy sitting on the bus bench used to be a great football player, but because he decided to do horrible things to his animals, he went to prison and lost everything. You don't want to be anything like him."
I know which one, as a parent I would choose, and that is the one that teaches ethics and accountability.
Wow, really? That's all you'd be able to come up with? Sounds like I was spot on if that's as simplistic a view as you took of the situation.
Accountability:
I'd point out that an athlete with all the God given talent in the world threw his entire life away by engaging in a despicable and thuggish activity. He was held accountable by the people both financially and by getting sent to prison for what he did. He paid his debt to society.
Consequences:
Prison. I'd point out how much he lost not only financially, but in respect, for the things he did. It could have been much worse.
Forgiveness:
I'd point out how powerful it is that we forgive others for their transgressions and give them the opportunity to hoe a better road for themselves. No, this doesn't mean being a sucker or forgetting the past. It means affording someone the opportunity to be better. How much berth a person is given depends on the severity of the crime. I wouldn't have a convicted child molester taking care of my kids.
The reason Michael Vick is playing the NFL right now is because he was given an opportunity by the league, and ultimately a team, to prove himself worthy of being good enough to play. So far he's done that. He doesn't deserve to be there, and frankly if the league banned him, so be it. It is what it is though, and that's OK.
Do I think he's some great man now? Hardly. He's going to have to spend the rest of his life earning back trust and respect from people. That doesn't mean I'm going to wish death or harm on him.
If you want a poster boy for someone who threw it all away in ultimate fashion. Here you go:
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I agree what mike vick did was dead wrong and we will never forget it but he served his time. The eagles are on team that i would not want to face from here on out they looked good. And that coming from a colts fan.
