Pay to Spray??? Homeowner looses everything...

messiah

snow wrote: »

He got exactly what he paid for and deserved..... nothing. Anyone can beg borrow $75.00 he opted not to pay screw him. No one wants to take responsibility for their actions anymore and eveyone wants something for nothing its a shame but true.

REGARDS SNOW

And the firemen that stood by and did nothing are f!@#$%g douchebags and cowards. 3 dogs and a cat died over a petty amount of money. The childish a$$^&**s in Tennessee need to grow up and be men and not boys.

hearingimpared

That is by FAR one of the most effed up things I've read in my life. Irresponsible is not the proper word, CRIMINAL is!!!!

hearingimpared

snow wrote: »

He got exactly what he paid for and deserved..... nothing. Anyone can beg borrow $75.00 he opted not to pay screw him. No one wants to take responsibility for their actions anymore and eveyone wants something for nothing its a shame but true.

REGARDS SNOW

Dan, even in the most screwed up of situations, I can't see your point. So he didn't pay! Does he really desearve to have the fire department let his house burn and pet's die? Sure he didn't take responsibility for paying up but I think what the firefighters did was down right criminal. It's friggin money for God's sake! Money!!!! Does it always have to be about money? Even slimeball lawyers will do work if they don't get their money up front. An ambulance crew being called out for a heart attack victim don't check to see if the victim's insurance covers the cost of the ambulance visit.

I'll bet my eye teeth that if they would have saved his home he would have come up with years worth of money to pay the fire department.

hearingimpared

tonyb wrote: »

Story just smells fishy to me. You have invested a good chunk of your life and hard earned money into a house and then don't protect it ? Then have a kid burning trash next to it ? I feel for the guy,but really,c'mon, alittle personal responsibility goes along way here. This 75 bucks was a 20 year standing policy.

I think this guy may have fell on hard times,thus he didn't fork out the 75 bucks and cut his insurance to save a few bucks.

If that is the case Tony what ever happend to good will? I can't imagine a firefighter not having the heart to help this guy save his home. . . it's just beyond my thinking.

sucks2beme

hearingimpared wrote: »

If that is the case Tony what ever happend to good will? I can't imagine a firefighter not having the heart to help this guy save his home. . . it's just beyond my thinking.

Perhaps we don't know the man. Remember, in small town settings,
everybody knows everybody. And there's always somebody that goes
out of his way to P!ss off everyone they are around. I had a
neighbor that was like that here. Never paid homeowner's dues,
drank a lot, and fought with his women(fat, ugly ones!).
As much as I hate to see anyone get foreclosed on, I was happy
to see him gone. And he kept coming back to screw with the house
after somebody else bought it. A real piece of work.
Either the fireman were horrible human beings, or he was. The internet
allows us to see bad things, but we don't get to see behind the curtain
of what really happened. There's something going on here we are unaware of.

Joe08867

That is a damn shame. 75.00 or a persons home. The operator should be fired as well.

What a stupid and pathetic ploy to get money.

nooshinjohn

I could understand a small bit IF the Fire Department was not already on sight to put out the neighbor's fence, but to have the equipment on sight for the other call and not lift a finger???

Knucklehead

Isnt this kinda like a doctor watching someone die because they have no health insurance? Oh wait that DOES happen. They should be ashamed of themselves for not trying to save the pets at least. Just my .02.

SolidSqual

I have to wonder as well, what's the cost to the city and state in terms of welfare not that these people are out of a home? I see and feel the points of both Nooshinjohn and Snow.

nooshinjohn

SolidSqual wrote: »

I have to wonder as well, what's the cost to the city and state in terms of welfare not that these people are out of a home? I see and feel the points of both Nooshinjohn and Snow.

Do I sense politics in your future?:p;)

Ron-P

Sherardp wrote: »

Sux **** this guy lost everything over 75 bucks. Someone should slap the chief.

Or arrest the chief on animal cruelty charges.

Very sad story.

shack

While I understand everyone's amazement that this could happen, I also understand rural, small town Tennessee. South Fulton is a town of 2,500 people who happen to pay taxes to have a fire department. It is in a fairly low income area with a per capita income level less than $16,000. The man who lost his home did not live in South Fulton but lived a good distance away in Obion County which has a total population of about 32,000. Until 20 years ago there was no service available to those outside the city until they made it available for a fee.

So here is the dilemma. Sure they could have fought the fire...this time. If that is the case, in the future why would anyone outside the city of South Fulton ever pay the fee? Even if they didn't, the good firefighters of South Fulton would surely put it out. It would not be long before the city would decide that they could not afford to fight all of the county fires for free and stop altogether and they would go back to no one outside the city having protection. Also let's say they did fight the fire...a firefighter got hurt or a piece of equipment was damaged or destroyed. Now the residents and subscribers might have no protection or have to bear the cost of replacing the equipment...which they probably can't afford...taking care of someone who chose not to pay. Even though the man who lost his home had "some" insurance, by his own admission it is not enough to cover his loss, much less pay for any other losses to the fire company. Why should the citizens and subscribers bear the risk and cost for someone who has not taken the responsibility to pay? Altruism is fine...but it has limitations. If this is a huge issue, maybe the people of the county need to set up a volunteer fire department...they are all over the place. The fire department of South Fulton is not a volunteer organization.

This sounds harsh...it sounds uncaring....I understand. However, every time you make an exception, it is expected that you will do so again and again...ultimately forcing no exceptions or total elimination of the service altogether. It is a harsh and sometimes cruel reality.

It is indeed a dilema. Would they have done something to save a human life? I certainly hope so. As much as I value and love my pets (and I am an amimal lover) I know they are considered "property" just like anything else in that home.

It's sad...it's tragic...it's an issue...it's life. And sometimes it sucks.

hearingimpared

SolidSqual wrote: »

I have to wonder as well, what's the cost to the city and state in terms of welfare not that these people are out of a home? I see and feel the points of both Nooshinjohn and Snow.

I can see their points to a certain degree even suck2beme's point however, scumbag, lowlife, jerk off, rotten creep, etc. aside, did he really deseave to have his house burn while the fire department on the next lot toasted marshmallows?

tommyboy

nooshinjohn wrote: »

I could understand a small bit IF the Fire Department was not already on sight to put out the neighbor's fence, but to have the equipment on sight for the other call and not lift a finger???

What they should of done (like any other service) is try to save the house then make up a bill for him with labor and material costs. And make sure this cost is a good deal higher than the fee to insure he won't forget ever again. Why they don't already have something like this in place I have no clue. At the very least, it doesn't make the fire department look like a bunch of jackasses.

sucks2beme

shack wrote: »

Also let's say they did fight the fire...a firefighter got hurt or a piece of equipment was damaged or destroyed. Now the residents and subscribers might have no protection or have to bear the cost of replacing the equipment...which they probably can't afford...taking care of someone who chose not to pay. .

This very thing happened to a fireman here. He was hurt fighting a fire outside their
coverage area. NO insurance for that, and he got nothing.
Once again, I can only hope they learn from this, because nobody came
out of this one clean. Pass the legislation locally to pay for it and cover it.
Or vote it down and take your chances. Either way, we can't fix it.
The people involved need to take care of it. We are all just armchair quarterbacks.

vlam

sucks2beme wrote: »

The people involved need to take care of it. We are all just armchair quarterbacks.QUOTE]

I totally agree. The people in this community need to take care of this. We, especially the media can criticize both sides for doing the "wrong" thing but is their action that will solve "their" problem as a community.

snow

messiah wrote: »

And the firemen that stood by and did nothing are f!@#$%g douchebags and cowards. 3 dogs and a cat died over a petty amount of money. The childish a$$^&**s in Tennessee need to grow up and be men and not boys.

Sorry not buying that, Where was the homeowner before the FD showed up? Shouldndt he have let the pets out?

hearingimpared wrote: »

Dan, even in the most screwed up of situations, I can't see your point. So he didn't pay! Does he really desearve to have the fire department let his house burn and pet's die? Sure he didn't take responsibility for paying up but I think what the firefighters did was down right criminal. It's friggin money for God's sake! Money!!!! Does it always have to be about money? Even slimeball lawyers will do work if they don't get their money up front. An ambulance crew being called out for a heart attack victim don't check to see if the victim's insurance covers the cost of the ambulance visit.

I'll bet my eye teeth that if they would have saved his home he would have come up with years worth of money to pay the fire department.

Nah if the loser had wanted to pay he would have done so earlier, its sad to see everyone blame someone else for their actions, one of his sons had the $75.00 waived earlier in a fire and the cheap **** thought he could do the same and still receive service.

Ron-P wrote: »

Or arrest the chief on animal cruelty charges.

Very sad story.

LMAO What about the owner's responsibilty? he was there for several minutes before the FD showed up.

shack wrote: »

While I understand everyone's amazement that this could happen, I also understand rural, small town Tennessee. South Fulton is a town of 2,500 people who happen to pay taxes to have a fire department. It is in a fairly low income area with a per capita income level less than $16,000. The man who lost his home did not live in South Fulton but lived a good distance away in Obion County which has a total population of about 32,000. Until 20 years ago there was no service available to those outside the city until they made it available for a fee.

So here is the dilemma. Sure they could have fought the fire...this time. If that is the case, in the future why would anyone outside the city of South Fulton ever pay the fee? Even if they didn't, the good firefighters of South Fulton would surely put it out. It would not be long before the city would decide that they could not afford to fight all of the county fires for free and stop altogether and they would go back to no one outside the city having protection. Also let's say they did fight the fire...a firefighter got hurt or a piece of equipment was damaged or destroyed. Now the residents and subscribers might have no protection or have to bear the cost of replacing the equipment...which they probably can't afford...taking care of someone who chose not to pay. Even though the man who lost his home had "some" insurance, by his own admission it is not enough to cover his loss, much less pay for any other losses to the fire company. Why should the citizens and subscribers bear the risk and cost for someone who has not taken the responsibility to pay? Altruism is fine...but it has limitations. If this is a huge issue, maybe the people of the county need to set up a volunteer fire department...they are all over the place. The fire department of South Fulton is not a volunteer organization.

This sounds harsh...it sounds uncaring....I understand. However, every time you make an exception, it is expected that you will do so again and again...ultimately forcing no exceptions or total elimination of the service altogether. It is a harsh and sometimes cruel reality.

It is indeed a dilema. Would they have done something to save a human life? I certainly hope so. As much as I value and love my pets (and I am an amimal lover) I know they are considered "property" just like anything else in that home.

It's sad...it's tragic...it's an issue...it's life. And sometimes it sucks.

100% agreed when will people stop feeling like there entitled to everything for nothing? Since this fellows house was a mobile home odds are it was fully engulfed when the FD showed up and there probally wasnt any chance of saving the pets or the home anyways.

REGARDS SNOW

jflail2

I don't necessarily think of it as being entitled to everything for nothing. I honestly had the false impression that we were all able to access emergency services, regardless of where we live. Lesson learned.

Sounds as much to be a county issue as anything else. I'd think something like emergency services should be rolled into that county's budget, and the associated costs should be included in county taxes.

Simply put, while I don't agree with "forced compliance" in the form of taxes for many things, emergency services are not one of them. ANY of us could need those services at anytime, no matter how careful we are. I for one don't mind a few of my tax dollars going to guaranteeing me having access to those services.

Anyhoo.

tonyb

hearingimpared wrote: »

If that is the case Tony what ever happend to good will? I can't imagine a firefighter not having the heart to help this guy save his home. . . it's just beyond my thinking.

Good will is one thing Joe, but when your using taxpayer equipment,labor, and the risk involved,then add lawyers to the mix, their hands are tied. No fireman is going to risk his life and his job unless a human life is at stake in this situation. Like Shack said,sometimes life sucks,but the bottom line is it all could have been avoided if he coughed up the 75 clams. What would have changed if the service wasn't available to begin with ? The end result would be exactly the same. Hard lesson to learn.

sucks2beme

jflail2 wrote: »

I don't necessarily think of it as being entitled to everything for nothing. I honestly had the false impression that we were all able to access emergency services, regardless of where we live. Lesson learned.

Anyhoo.

Welcome to the boonies. Yes there are areas of the country where there aren't any emergency services. They only have phones and electricity
because of legislation from the 1930's that demanded it. Even in a major suburb, cities have to make agreements to help each other out. I've
heard of major grass fires where the other town's FD shows up on their side of the line and watch, just in case it crosses over to their side!

jflail2

Hah, never heard of that s2bm, and I lived in Boone, NC for 3 years

Still, I stand by the thought that this is one of the few things I support taxation for without question. Their county should be able to provide some base level of support from tax dollars or state funding.

And someone else raised the point, but I find it odd there are no volunteer FDs there. Even some of the less populated areas in NC have volunteer FDs out there. The country boys back home LOVED being part of the volunteer FD. I guess if they didn't see a need for one before now, maybe they do.

And that's a crazy example, but I guess it makes sense.

sucks2beme

jflail2 wrote: »

Hah, never heard of that s2bm, and I lived in Boone, NC for 3 years

Still, I stand by the thought that this is one of the few things I support taxation for without question. Their county should be able to provide some base level of support from tax dollars or state funding.

And someone else raised the point, but I find it odd there are no volunteer FDs there. Even some of the less populated areas in NC have volunteer FDs out there. The country boys back home LOVED being part of the volunteer FD. I guess if they didn't see a need for one before now, maybe they do.

And that's a crazy example, but I guess it makes sense.

A volunteer fire department would of put out the damn fire.
That's what they do. Those guys aren't fast to respond, but
get the job done. Like everywhere else, laws, customs, etc. change.
I used to work at a big company up in the Northeast. Their internal
fire departments sometimes would respond to fires! They had a great
HAZMAT unit that helped out many of the local towns. Many of their
employees were also volunteer firemen. If the call went out, they'd go
put out the fire while on the company payroll. I don't know if that's
still policy or not anymore. That was many years ago. Around DFW,
I have seen nothing but town run FD.

SolidSqual

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Do I sense politics in your future?:p;)

This story has me really stumped. The Christian in me would jump to put this fire out. But, the responsible citizen who pays taxes and plays by the rules thinks this guy knew better, but just thought he would test the system.

nooshinjohn

SolidSqual wrote: »

This story has me really stumped. The Christian in me would jump to put this fire out. But, the responsible citizen who pays taxes and plays by the rules thinks this guy knew better, but just thought he would test the system.

Agreed Mike... I remember a line from Sunday School that went something like "that which ye do to the least of my brothers, that ye do unto me..."

Seems like allowing something like this to happen to the poorest among us isn't a very christian thing to do at all. If I were one of those firefighters on scene, I think I would be saying a lot of 'Our Fathers" about now....

exalted512

I see both sides of the story. However, I feel like letting someone's house burn with helpless, innocent pets inside is 100x more irresponsible than not paying $75 for the service.
-Cody

kawizx9r

exalted512 wrote: »

i see both sides of the story. However, i feel like letting someone's house burn with helpless, innocent pets inside is 100x more irresponsible than not paying $75 for the service.
-cody

+100000000000

PSOVLSK

The problem is that it's not a singular issue. You have to look at the big picture. As Shack said, let one guy not pay his tax but still get his fire put out and all of a sudden no ones paying the tax. If you don't enforce the rule, it's not a rule.

I feel for the guy, but this seems like it could have easily been avoided.

MacLeod

This has me pissed off almost as much as those scumbags that protest soldiers funerals. The firemen that stood there and watch this guys house burn to the ground over the course of 2 hours are pure scum! Nothing more than human debris! So the guy didnt pay the $75 - so what. Youre gonna let his house and everything he owns slowly burn to the ground while you stand there and watch to "teach him a lesson"? That is the most idiotic thing Ive ever heard. Talk about the punishment not fitting the crime! "Oh you were doing 60 in a 55 mpg zone therefore we're going to cut off one of your hands". Jesus Christ people, how bout a little common sense here. Put the fire out then bill him for whatever you want. There is no intellectually honest way you can say he deserved to lose everything he owns because he didnt pay a $75 bill.

Other towns have this setup as well. They call em "dues". You pay your dues and we'll come put out your fire. If you dont pay your dues, we'll still come put it out but instead of the $100 in dues, itll be a bill for about $1000. This guy offered to pay whatever they asked if theyd just put out the fire.

What makes it worse is that these miserable scumbags drove out to the house to sit and watch it burn over the course of 2 hours!

Then the son goes out and attacks the scumbag chief and gets arrested. Good for him. I hope he f**ked him up.

Tony M

Jesus never paid a single tax,rented a place to live or wondered where his next meal was coming from did he. Christ followers provided that. Alot of people want christians to bail them out after they get into dire straights. That's fine and I will help if the people truely are a victum of CIRCUMSTANCES and not their bad decision choices or blatent ignorance of their foolish acts.


I've been paying taxes and fees out of my pocket for years and the money did not come easy.I see life different from people who have always had a safety net behind them to cover their lack of preparedness. Makes me sick when these slackers or deprived if that's the case BLAME others.

Example:
My sister and her boyfriend partied their money away for 15 years while we saved and lived responsibly. When I wouldn't GIVE them some money to repave their driveway, I was a Mother *&$^&^&....

I don't give a hoot about the man's home that burned but sorry the homeowner or his son ,who seems to be a true chip off the old block head, couldn't get his own animals to safety.

Save for a rainy day. Pay your insurance for you might need it one day. Don't blame anybody but yourself if you choose to try and cheat a system and you get caught or burned.

Amen

inspiredsports

kawizx9r wrote: »

Even if he did forget to pay the fee, that's just f^cked up.

Imagine if your house burned down. I felt horrible after seeing that happen when I was living in Chicago. A 2-story house burned down just 2 buildings down from where I was living; you should've seen the family as they sat there and watched everything burn to the ground.

Sad yes, but in the Chicago story, there was no lack of payment so I don't understand the correlation. Are you thinking the NJ house might have burned to the ground even if the owner had paid the fee?

Does the homeowner get a new home if he also didn't pay homwowners insurance? Car if he didn't pay car insurance? Life if he didn't pay life insurance? Free health care. Guaranteed job? Free lunch?

I didn't buy a lottery ticket. Do I win 42 million?