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txcoastal1 wrote:Rush and Triumph where else can you get more music out of 3 man bandsMidnite Mick wrote:ZZTopGeorge Grand wrote:Um...The Jimi Hendrix Experience? Cream? They weren't late to the party either. They pioneered the party.
George is right on with this...those two are THE 3 man groups of the late 60s. Early ZZ Top was kick **** as well...before they started pandering to the MTV video crowd.
While these may not make a lot of lists...they are on MY list for 3 man groups better than Rush and Triumph (in addition to Jimi, Cream and ZZ).
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I'd agree the term Rock N' roll is now used pretty loosely. I see Rolling Stone Magazine do this all the time when the refer to Rock bands and include people like Madonna in a list of bands etc. I want to jump through the roof. Not because I do or don't like her but because "Madonna" is not in a "band".
There are a lot of early musicians before the 60s who never got the credit they deserved. They were probably cheated out of credit for their work as well as money along the way and countless since then too
As for the Beastie Boys I'd say they had a greater impact on music overall and over a longer period and for more people than many, including some previously named. I'm not saying they are more talented musicians just that their place is warranted. Check out the mix-up album it's a long way from Fight for your Right. (Not a word or lyric in there) The Beasties have evolved more than most bands, rappers, singer songwriters etc.
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What's with all the hate for the Beastie Boys? Anyone who says they don't deserve that has never really listened to much of their music. Their music spreads across a wide range of genres...and I would definitely call it rock and roll. No...it's not rock and roll in the Beatles/Stones/Chuck Berry type of sense...but rock and roll is a genre that has kind of expanded and come to encompass a lot more than it did 40-50 years ago. The Beasties have some awesome music...especially if you dig groovin' rhythms and good timin'. They know how to both rock...and roll.
Their impact on music has been very widespread too...much more so than many others that have been inducted.
But...I agree that the RR HOF is basically a joke anyway.The nirvana inducer-
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No, doubt. No disrespect to either band, but they aren't in the caliber of real-deal rockers, Rush. Name a 3 piece that makes more talented noise!UNIVERA
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Well... the Who was a three-piece band with a vocalist.
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No, doubt. No disrespect to either band, but they aren't in the caliber of real-deal rockers, Rush. Name a 3 piece that makes more talented noise!
I would put the Beastie Boys leaps and bounds ahead of Rush. If I had to pick 5 rock bands that I hate the most...Rush would be on that list. They are one of the most god awful bands of all time.
And don't say that it's because I haven't listened to the right Rush albums...cuz I've heard nearly all of their stuff. Their albums are all equally terrible.
If I were to go to hell...it's inevitable that I'd end up being doomed to spend all of eternity listening to Rush...because there would be no greater way of torturing me.The nirvana inducer-
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+1 excepting I'd sub James Gang for The Police...George is right on with this...those two (The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream) are THE 3 man groups of the late 60s. Early ZZ Top was kick **** as well...before they started pandering to the MTV video crowd.
While these may not make a lot of lists...they are on MY list for 3 man groups better than Rush and Triumph (in addition to Jimi, Cream and ZZ).
Emerson Lake and Palmer
The Police
Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double TroubleMore later,
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Tour2ma wrote:+1 excepting I'd sub James Gang for The Police...hearingimpared wrote:HEAD NAIL HAMMER!!!
I like Joe Walsh and ergo the James Gang a lot. I am not that familiar with the group prior to his joining but to me the James Gang is Joe Walsh. It was during Walshs time with the band that they had any commercial success but limited even then. The James Gang went through several different groups of musicians sometimes 4 sometimes 3. Some of them were quite good with Jimmy Fox being the only constant. I think that with Walsh in the forefront they were a very good band.
On the other hand Sting was the face of the Police and gets a lot of credit as such but Andy Summers and especially Stewart Copeland are considered excellent musicians in their own right. Plus they stayed together through the entire life of the band those three and those three only. Again I really like Joe Walsh and all that he has done including all his work with the James Gang (I have a copy all the albums with Joe) but the James Gangs body of work simply does not rise to the level of the Police, either from a commercial standpoint or an innovation standpoint. You may not particularly like the Police but the combination of rock, reggae, funk, jazz, punk was something that was different from anything that had preceded it.
If we are talking Joe Walsh and Sting...they are probably equals in my mind...but Sting has been a bit more "adventuresome" in his musical journey but Walsh it just the epitome of a Rock and Roller.
Again, I know we are talking about who should be in the R&R HOF...but the fact is...The Police are in the HOF and the James Gang arent and probably never will be. Walsh is in as a member of The Eagles. He may make it into the hall by himself IMO he probably should but maybe not."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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I like Joe Walsh and ergo the James Gang a lot. I am not that familiar with the group prior to his joining but to me the James Gang is Joe Walsh. It was during Walshs time with the band that they had any commercial success but limited even then. The James Gang went through several different groups of musicians sometimes 4 sometimes 3. Some of them were quite good with Jimmy Fox being the only constant. I think that with Walsh in the forefront they were a very good band.
On the other hand Sting was the face of the Police and gets a lot of credit as such but Andy Summers and especially Stewart Copeland are considered excellent musicians in their own right. Plus they stayed together through the entire life of the band those three and those three only. Again I really like Joe Walsh and all that he has done including all his work with the James Gang (I have a copy all the albums with Joe) but the James Gangs body of work simply does not rise to the level of the Police, either from a commercial standpoint or an innovation standpoint. You may not particularly like the Police but the combination of rock, reggae, funk, jazz, punk was something that was different from anything that had preceded it.
If we are talking Joe Walsh and Sting...they are probably equals in my mind...but Sting has been a bit more "adventuresome" in his musical journey but Walsh it just the epitome of a Rock and Roller.
Again, I know we are talking about who should be in the R&R HOF...but the fact is...The Police are in the HOF and the James Gang arent and probably never will be. Walsh is in as a member of The Eagles. He may make it into the hall by himself IMO he probably should but maybe not.
I love the Police and have everything they've done probably on both vinyl and CD and most of Sting's solo albums Steve . I just think the RRHOF should be examining the great ones by years not by sales. Some of the GREAT ONES have been overlooked by them due to popularity rather than merit IMHO. -
hearingimpared wrote:I love the Police and have everything they've done probably on both vinyl and CD and most of Sting's solo albums Steve . I just think the RRHOF should be examining the great ones by years not by sales. Some of the GREAT ONES have been overlooked by them due to popularity rather than merit IMHO.
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...with the operative word here being Fame and/or famous IMO. It’s not the Rock and Roll Hall of Merit. Sales are a measure of popularity by the fans...and by definition isn't it the fans the HOF is for? Unless you want the selections made solely on the opinion of the so-called "experts" then there has to be some sort of measurable fan data used. Longevity just means they were able to stick around for a long time and there are lots of journeymen that have been around for a long time that will never be HOF material. At least a lot of album sales mean enough fans liked them to buy a lot of their albums. Maybe concert ticket sales could/should also be a measurable consideration. The number of albums or concert tickets sold are probably the ONLY truly objective measures with all the rest being subjective. I guess "chart" rankings are objective…but in reality they're just another measure of sales.
Of course both objective and subjective criteria should be considered.
Merit IS a key factor...but it is totally subjective. ie: It appears you (and I know for a fact Bruce) would include the James Gang in the HOF. And as much as I like them...I would not. Determining merit ain't always that easy."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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comfortablycurt wrote: »I would put the Beastie Boys leaps and bounds ahead of Rush. If I had to pick 5 rock bands that I hate the most...Rush would be on that list. They are one of the most god awful bands of all time.
And don't say that it's because I haven't listened to the right Rush albums...cuz I've heard nearly all of their stuff. Their albums are all equally terrible.
If I were to go to hell...it's inevitable that I'd end up being doomed to spend all of eternity listening to Rush...because there would be no greater way of torturing me.
LOL, preach it curt. I am also in the Rush hating minority. I don't know if it's Geddy's voice, the nonsensical lyrics, or both, but I just can't do it....
And while I don't subscribe to any of the "best of" or "hall of fame" picks, the R&RHOF has especially missed their mark. Football gets it right for the most part, which is kind of surprising to me in retrospect.2007 Club Polk Football Pool Champ
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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...with the operative word here being Fame and/or famous IMO. It’s not the Rock and Roll Hall of Merit. Sales are a measure of popularity by the fans...and by definition isn't it the fans the HOF is for? Unless you want the selections made solely on the opinion of the so-called "experts" then there has to be some sort of measurable fan data used. Longevity just means they were able to stick around for a long time and there are lots of journeymen that have been around for a long time that will never be HOF material. At least a lot of album sales mean enough fans liked them to buy a lot of their albums. Maybe concert ticket sales could/should also be a measurable consideration. The number of albums or concert tickets sold are probably the ONLY truly objective measures with all the rest being subjective. I guess "chart" rankings are objective…but in reality they're just another measure of sales.
Of course both objective and subjective criteria should be considered.
Merit IS a key factor...but it is totally subjective. ie: It appears you (and I know for a fact Bruce) would include the James Gang in the HOF. And as much as I like them...I would not. Determining merit ain't always that easy.
You make an excellent point here Steve but isn't already a subjective list by "experts" and not peers?LOL, preach it curt. I am also in the Rush hating minority. I don't know if it's Geddy's voice, the nonsensical lyrics, or both, but I just can't do it....
And while I don't subscribe to any of the "best of" or "hall of fame" picks, the R&RHOF has especially missed their mark. Football gets it right for the most part, which is kind of surprising to me in retrospect.
:eek::eek::eek: Very well said Ollie except for the Rush and Geddy statement!!!:biggrin: I know he's not much to look at but he sure can belt them out! -
I know you do, because you have excellent taste in music…shack wrote:I like Joe Walsh and ergo the James Gang a lot.
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By the time I joined the thread it had rerailed to a power trio discussion (a much more interesting discussion IMO). I think in that light my substitution is more than understandable. But yes, given a choice between The James Gang and The Police, I’m going with my home boys.
James Gang Rides Again is one of the 50 or so LP’s on my All-time, Top 20 list.
Edit: I was never arguing for or against anybody being in the Hall... but if commercial success is the criteria when will Brittany Spears get her due???More later,
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