miller & keisel

scottyboy76
scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
edited September 2010 in Speakers
Have seen a couple ads on cl for these guys, not in the market for speakers right now, but never having heard of these guys, coupled with some rave reviews from years past intrigued me. any experience or knowledg would be interesting.

By the way, apparently they went under and are in the process of being bailed out.

Just intrigued by a name i had not heard.thanks
humpty dumpty was pushed
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited September 2010
    M&K made nothing extraordinary.
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  • scottyboy76
    scottyboy76 Posts: 2,905
    edited September 2010
    no wonder i never heard of them, AT ALL
    humpty dumpty was pushed
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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,606
    edited September 2010
    dorokusai wrote: »
    M&K made nothing extraordinary.

    Really? :eek: Differing ears I guess.....The ones I heard I was impressed with. Always thought there subs were awesome as well. Well the ones I listened to in the 90's anyways.
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  • howie777
    howie777 Posts: 357
    edited September 2010
    I currently run the MK851's and like them a lot. They really did make nice speakers I think, but then they started making them in China (I am pretty sure mine were made there too) and low and behold knock offs started showing up. This along with some other issues took them down. One of the european distributors bought the IP and they are back in business. Have no clue if they are any good though.

    I still like mine but am in an apartment so my sub is boxed up. I doubt I'd buy any more though. If I found some of the S-150s with made in the USA stickers, I'd be very tempted.

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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited September 2010
    I have an M&K sub, will dig down to about 20hz.....I think its fantastic, never heard any of their other speakers though.

    V-125 1 X 12"

    125 WATTS

    20 Hz - 200 Hz



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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited September 2010
    M & K when they first hit the market made an extraordinary sub/sat system. I remember them from the early 80's when hardly anyone was doing sub/sat systems. Those that were doing it were awful. Early M&K's always impressed me for what they were and I sold a lot of them. By today's standard they are simply ordinary. Not one of the things I'd use for today's HT, but if the price is right and they haven't been neglected worth a listen.

    YMMV

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited September 2010
    Knucklehead wrote: »
    I have an M&K sub, will dig down to about 20hz.....I think its fantastic, never heard any of their other speakers though.

    V-125 1 X 12"

    125 WATTS

    20 Hz - 200 Hz



    18.5 x 15.4 x 20.3
    52 lbs

    That wont reach anywhere close to 20Hz at an audible level. I'd bet the +/- 3dB response is in the 30's Hz range.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited September 2010
    I'll have to agree with H9, the old V2-B units I have probably won't dig down to 20hz, (they are a sealed design), but I will give them credit for sounding nice on music. Also, I believe M&K were the pioneers of the subwoofer design, everyone else jumped on board later???
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  • playback
    playback Posts: 101
    edited September 2010
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    I'll have to agree with H9, the old V2-B units I have probably won't dig down to 20hz, (they are a sealed design), but I will give them credit for sounding nice on music. Also, I believe M&K were the pioneers of the subwoofer design, everyone else jumped on board later???

    Yes they were! and as a proud owner of a made in the USA MX-150 THX sub, it has been around since 1999 and is still delivering deep wall rattling bass and still has some of the best pitch defintion from a sub I've heard to date. This bad boy with its daul 12''s in a push pull sealed box with one of the 12's back open too the floor with a slot at the bottom of the box was said to increase output by 6db without tripling amp power and canceling distortion and will play down to 20hz, Now that's what I call a well designed Box! Yup still in love ! but still wish I had sprung for the MX-350.(lol).:D
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited September 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    That wont reach anywhere close to 20Hz at an audible level. I'd bet the +/- 3dB response is in the 30's Hz range.

    H9

    Ill take your word for it, I have no way of actually measuring that, I was just going off of the manufacturers website data.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,204
    edited September 2010
    M&K made incredible theater speakers. I was very impressed the first time I heard their package go. Sub dig deep , clarity and depth with tons of dynamic's.

    Anyone considering a serious theater should look into their stuff. I have not heard the new MK stuff but I'm willing to bet it's amazing.
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited September 2010
    Just wanted to throw this info out there, maybe someone may be able to add some credibility to it. In my search a couple of years ago at used M&K speakers(not the sub line), I came across a warning going around that there were some cheap fake knockoffs(i guess with the M&K logo???) going around on the internet,CL etc...
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited September 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    M & K when they first hit the market made an extraordinary sub/sat system. I remember them from the early 80's when hardly anyone was doing sub/sat systems. Those that were doing it were awful. Early M&K's always impressed me for what they were and I sold a lot of them. By today's standard they are simply ordinary. Not one of the things I'd use for today's HT, but if the price is right and they haven't been neglected worth a listen.

    YMMV

    H9

    I too remember the early sub-sat systems they sold. I haven't heard them in more than 20 years, so hard to compare my ears then and now, but I recall being very impressed by the clarity and sound-stage.
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  • ViperZ
    ViperZ Posts: 2,046
    edited September 2010
    Big Dawg wrote: »
    I too remember the early sub-sat systems they sold. I haven't heard them in more than 20 years, so hard to compare my ears then and now, but I recall being very impressed by the clarity and sound-stage.

    I had one of their first subs, which looked like a pyramid (the top was smaller than the bottom). Made out of real wood, really heavy, nice build. The amp was nothing special, but that thing was from early 80s!
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited September 2010
    Like I said, they were the innovators of the subwoofer design, they basically changed audio systems around the world.
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited September 2010
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    Just wanted to throw this info out there, maybe someone may be able to add some credibility to it. In my search a couple of years ago at used M&K speakers(not the sub line), I came across a warning going around that there were some cheap fake knockoffs(i guess with the M&K logo???) going around on the internet,CL etc...

    True. Killed them to the point where they went bankrupt. The name was sold and new M&K stuff is related to old in name only (although I read somewhere that they were contemplating bringing back old designs).
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited September 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    M&K made incredible theater speakers. I was very impressed the first time I heard their package go. Sub dig deep , clarity and depth with tons of dynamic's.

    Anyone considering a serious theater should look into their stuff. I have not heard the new MK stuff but I'm willing to bet it's amazing.

    New M&K stuff is not the same. Don't have any idea if it's good or bad, but not made by the same people anymore.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited September 2010
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    Like I said, they were the innovators of the subwoofer design, they basically changed audio systems around the world.

    Sorry, but you give them far more credit than they deserve.
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