Wire, How Much Is Enough?

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2010
    woodguru wrote: »
    Anyway a bit of time with my wife is in order, I'll post in depth comparison type stuff I've done with recognized names involved.

    She must have walked in and caught him on the internet again...
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  • Poee7R
    Poee7R Posts: 904
    edited July 2010
    Seriously. Cookies rock!

    Specially ones of the chocolate chip variety. My one true weakness.


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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited July 2010
    woodguru wrote: »
    The wire allows the full performance to come through in stellar performing budget gear exactly as it does with components costing tens of thousands each. Also the best wire is cheaper than the best components but reveals far more resolution in budget equipment than can be heard with extreme equipment and mediocre mid grade wires.

    This seems like a reasonable statement to me. I konw my entry level gear is really sounding good after upgrading the ICs to MIT Shotgun S1.3 XLRs, and the Magnum digital cable. It amazes me how much better it is now, and I felt it was pretty good before the upgrade.

    Whether something less expensive would give the same results I do not know. If I experimented with all the different cables I would be broke, even if I could resell the cable for only a slight loss.

    While my experience is limited, I have to say I am a MIT fan at this time. It has made a big positive improvement for me.

    Where I would have an issue is with the neutral sounding part. It is impossible to tell if it is the electronics or the cable that causes the neutral sound. Maybe the electronics are neutral, and a good cable does not add or detract the signal. Then again, maybe the electronics are not neutral, and a good wire adds the necessary electrical characteristics needed to achieve a neutral sound.

    Who knows, as long as it works. The real problem appears to not be this poster, rather it is those who deny any cable at all can make a difference.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited July 2010
    I could see this type of post coming from woodguru a couple of days ago. I was sort of suprised it took as long as it did to post this type of thread. He is now waiting for someone (apparantly a Republican) to react to him. Any takers?:D

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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited July 2010
    Poee7R wrote: »
    Seriously. Cookies rock!

    Specially ones of the chocolate chip variety. My one true weakness.


    Dave

    Macadamia nut, man. Macadamia nut!
    Keiko wrote: »
    I like PIE better than cookies. ;)

    LOL. I C Wat U Did Thar.
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  • doctorcilantro
    doctorcilantro Posts: 2,028
    edited July 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Me... grabs a bucket of popcorn...

    No wait!!

    Buys Orville Reddenbacher Popcorn Company...



    I don't want to run out, as this is bound to get REEEEELY GOOOOD!

    I may be wrong, but my troll detector is on high alert.

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,969
    edited July 2010
    Interesting how Republicans are brought into a cable debate....thats one for the book, the book of t-unit.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited July 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Quote:


    We're waiting with baited breath!

    I'm pretending to be a guru now :D, but anyway, for real . . .

    "bated" is a contraction of "abated" through loss of the unstressed first vowel (a process called aphesis); it means “reduced, lessened, lowered in force”. So bated breath refers to a state in which you almost stop breathing as a result of some strong emotion, such as terror or awe.
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  • Polkersince85
    Polkersince85 Posts: 2,883
    edited July 2010
    Maybe he should keep his political comments at this site:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/woodguru?action=comments
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    >This message has been scanned by the NSA and found to be free of harmful intent.<
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  • markmarc
    markmarc Posts: 2,309
    edited July 2010
    I get emailed this question on a regular basis. My standard answer is to add up the cost of your system when new. The total amount you spend on cabling, interconnects and wire should be no more than 15%.

    Some try to increase their bang by picking up used cabling, this can be a very wise move for those who are chasing the audio dragon.
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,381
    edited July 2010
    Personally, I think we should all be using wire made from recycled cash-for-clunkers vehicles, with organic hemp insulation of course.

    This is an unpaid, un-endorsed, and not necessarily the opinion of
    The Green Party
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited July 2010
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    I'm pretending to be a guru now :D, but anyway, for real . . .

    "bated" is a contraction of "abated" through loss of the unstressed first vowel (a process called aphesis); it means “reduced, lessened, lowered in force”. So bated breath refers to a state in which you almost stop breathing as a result of some strong emotion, such as terror or awe.

    Thanks bub, I didn't know which to use so I went with BAITED!:p
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited July 2010
    Polkersince85 wrote: »
    Maybe he should keep his political comments at this site:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/woodguru?action=comments

    Wow, just WOW!!!
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited July 2010
    markmarc wrote: »
    I get emailed this question on a regular basis. My standard answer is to add up the cost of your system when new. The total amount you spend on cabling, interconnects and wire should be no more than 15%.

    Some try to increase their bang by picking up used cabling, this can be a very wise move for those who are chasing the audio dragon.

    If this is true, I guess I will stick with straightening coat hangers wrapped in electrical tape! :p
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,422
    edited July 2010
    Knucklehead wrote: »
    If this is true, I guess I will stick with straightening coat hangers wrapped in electrical tape! :p

    I have heard that a nice Cardas binding post on the end of them helps the bass dig a bit deeper, but electrical tape causes to much cylibance in the upper register. I will stick with bare coathangers thanks.:D:p
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited July 2010
    Polkersince85 wrote: »
    Maybe he should keep his political comments at this site:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/woodguru?action=comments

    Hmm . . . very interesting. Sure seems like the same writing style.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2010
    Keiko wrote: »
    He doesn't have any friends there either. Must be miserable being a guru.

    For some the misery is all they have.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • acmf74
    acmf74 Posts: 936
    edited July 2010
    we are talking analog..not digital, correct?
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited July 2010
    acmf74 wrote: »
    we are talking analog..not digital, correct?

    I think at this point, anything is fair game. lol
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited July 2010
    Obviously I need to figure out the whole right-wing vs left-wing cable issue. I think my main gear is pretty conservative leaning, although my speakers appear to be more centrist. I probably need to call Frank at Signal Cable and see if he feels his Ultra SC's are more aligned to Hillary or Sarah, then see if he can customize the cable to be just right of center. That's probably the magic behind those fancy MIT cables, the network boxes are adaptive to your political stance which aligns the music presentation with your interpretive hearing.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited July 2010
    My system is solidly libertarian i believe.

    Though it also stinks of communist Russia and the Cold War.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,422
    edited July 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    My system is solidly libertarian i believe.

    Though it also stinks of communist Russia and the Cold War.
    That's what you get for rolling those Communist Tubes into your rig. Next time stick with those French made Liberals.:p:D

    Be careful with them though because they can be somewhat taxing on the wallet and they tend to whine a bit when pushed to hard.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited July 2010
    Goodness, if you guys can't provide Pies, at least provide more cookies! NooBieShinjohn isn't the only one that loves Pies and/or Cookies ;)
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2010
    dkg999 wrote: »
    That's probably the magic behind those fancy MIT cables, the network boxes are adaptive to your political stance which aligns the music presentation with your interpretive hearing.

    Yes, that is what the switch is for. I always set it to the far right. ;)
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited July 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    Yes, that is what the switch is for. I always set it to the far right. ;)

    I set my Shotgun S2's to the far left once and they started taking sound quality from my turntable and giving it my CD Player! ;)
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited July 2010
    Ahhhhh French tubes! Are those like French military rifles? Barely used and only dropped once?
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  • Huck344
    Huck344 Posts: 453
    edited July 2010
    woodguru wrote: »
    Now here's where my sense of humor comes through, and I do have one by the way. There will be some people wanting to "call me out" and say I'm full of bull. They will be republicans and once they do that there will be no salvaging their opinion no matter what I prove I have had or done in the stereo industry.

    So, are you insulting republicans for having the gall to question your drivel? Or is the real insult to the democrats who apparently agree that you know more than everyone else?

    I was actually quite interested in what you were trying to say until you decided to somehow turn an audio essay political.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2010
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    I set my Shotgun S2's to the far left once and they started taking sound quality from my turntable and giving it my CD Player! ;)

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. When I set mine to the far left Bruce Springstein sounded a little better but my collection of military marches went to crap!
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited July 2010
    dkg999 wrote:
    Ahhhhh French tubes! Are those like French military rifles? Barely used and only dropped once?

    Did you know that French tanks are the only ones ever made with back-up tail lights?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,422
    edited July 2010
    shack wrote: »
    Did you know that French tanks are the only ones ever made with back-up taillights?


    I knew that one... but did YOU know that French tanks have a 5 speed transmission? One forward gear and four reverse?
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