Is the seafood we buy safe?

dekuda

I know many of the poultry and hog farmers in the U.S. use antibiotics in our food . Now, check out this video about the seafood in our stores:eek:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/835.html

hearingimpared

Good Lord, poultry, pork, beef, now fish, not to mention Salmonella laced greens, what the hell is safe to eat!?! Hot dogs - forbidden, prepackaged frozen burgers - forbidden, everytime you turn around there is something not good for you, me thinks technology wants us to turn into robots

Well the Jews have the right idea with keeping Kosher! It might be more expensive but the Rabbi's have it down pat.

I don't care, I'm eating it anyway. Remember the scare quite a few years back about bacon? A few years later they recanted. Everything is "chicken little" these days. UGH!

Perhaps we should all take up hunting and growing our own food . . . ya know grassroots!:rolleyes:

Amherst

hearingimpared wrote: »

Perhaps we should all take up hunting and growing our own food . . . ya know grassroots!:rolleyes:

Sorry, it's against zoning laws....

hearingimpared

Amherst wrote: »

Sorry, it's against zoning laws....

No kidding! It just gets under my skin how everything is bad for you or someone will find something wrong, somehow, someway!!!

Damned old ex hippys!:D:rolleyes:

bobman1235

Kosher means jack when it comes to things like antibiotics if that's what you're worried about. Kosher is just a bunch of nonsense rules about how to kill things and what you can and can't eat together.

hearingimpared

bobman1235 wrote: »

Kosher means jack when it comes to things like antibiotics if that's what you're worried about. Kosher is just a bunch of nonsense rules about how to kill things and what you can and can't eat together.

Not true Bob, There are also Kosher rules about how the animal is raised and which parts you can eat. The Jews who keep Kosher go strictly by the scriptures which if you read them were God's way of passing on to Moses what was safe to eat back in the days of desert dwelling and has carried on into the 21st century. They've got it down pat.

Rember when it was not good to eat pork unless it was cooked to death because of Trichinosis. The pig raisers found that the reason for the Trichinosis was because they were feeding the pigs slop. Now they are grain fed and can be eaten medium or slightly under cooked which I find to be more flavorful than when pork is cooked too much.

. . . and Bob believe me I'm not the least bit concerned with antibiotics, growth hormones etc as I think it all is an over reaction.

Thirty-five years ago I was going with a girl whose uncle was a dairy farmer in Troy, PA. On a visit up there (which was pretty cool) I witnessed him giving a couple of milk cows a huge needle when I asked him what it was he said it was anti-biotic. We drank the fresh milk, which by-the-way there is nothing like fresh from the cow milk, and didn't get sick. I don't recall ever having any bad effects from that incident.

This is my opinion folks and I'm not going to debate my mindset. I'm gonna die from something, if in fact it is from eating all this "tainted" food then so be it.

mhardy6647

Every "scare" like this is actually an exercise in risk management/risk aversion. The risk of starving far outweighs the incremental risk poised by the food we buy to eat, but for some reason certain risks are perceived as disproportionately important by many people.

My favorite example of folks' tainted notion of risk modeling is something like this: people might worry about, say, the minute incremental risk of brain cancer related to prolonged (integrated) exposure to low-level microwave-order radiation from a cell phone... but then get in their car and drive 20 miles in rush-hour traffic to get to work. The real incremental risk of dying from the latter far outweighs the putative incremental risk from the former.

That said, there is benefit (i.e., going to work and getting paid) that may outweigh the risk!

Back to food. In the early 1970s, it was widely predicted that it would be impossible to feed the projected world population, including even the "developed world", in 2000. Indeed, 2000 came and went, and (believe it or not) most people (even in the developing world) do have reasonable access to food. Of course, people do starve and/or are malnourished (even in the US)... but in many cases the issue is related to distribution of food and not its abundance/availability per se. From a risk/benefit perspective, many of the relatively minor (statistically speaking) concerns about the quality of the foodstream are probably far outweighed by the quantity of the foodstream, and food is still relatively cheap.

BottomFeeder

Thanks, dekuda, for posting this. Because eating "healthy" food is important to my family and me, I really appreciate getting this kind of information that aids my attempts to do so.

mighty

Thank you dekuda, this is really a very important information that you just posted because no one compromise on healthy and safe food.

hearingimpared

mighty wrote: »

Thank you dekuda, this is really a very important information that you just posted because no one compromise on healthy and safe food.

I feel the same way Preacher but these "scares" are always overblown. Now of course I won't serve up my family anything that has been proven bad for them or me or the dog but I take these news reports with a grain of salt until more good information comes out. Take the scare of the "tainted" spinich not too long ago. It was only from one farm yet they scared the hell out of the nation and no-one ate spinich for a long while. I believe it is good to have this information availible but I also think there needs to be corroborating evidence from other sources about these types of "scares.":)

dekuda

Farmers admit to the use of excess antibiotics in their feed for all of their livestock. There claim is that if they did not use it more livestock would die and the price of meat would go up. Well, if I had the choice I would gladly pay more if I knew our food supply would be healthier. What they also do not claim as much publicly is that the use of antibiotics also promotes the growth of their livestock. This is no scare tactic I am trying to start. We need to be informed and our goverment is not helping. I grew concerned when a east coast farmer was gouged by one of his livestock(fed on feed with antibiotics) and the antibiotics they gave him in the hospital did not stop the infection. He was on tv after his near death and now raises all of his cattle with feed that haves no antibiotics. If some of these farmers and scientists are worried then we should be also:mad: What is sad about this article is that a majority of our seafood we get from overseas from countries with no controls and care less about the quality and then it rarely gets inspected by our government and we eat it!

hearingimpared

I hear ya Bro. I just think some of these "panics" are just good rating for the news stations and need to be looked into MUCH, MUCH more by the FDA although I hate when government gets involved cause they usually screw it up but alas it's all we have.

flat 6

use your eyes , gang. If it looks, smells good, It probably is. This is just a bit of propaganda from the Us seafood industry

fossy

flat 6 wrote: »

use your eyes , gang. If it looks, smells good, It probably is. This is just a bit of propaganda from the Us seafood industry

how would a report like this stand to benefit ANY fish industry, let alone the US ???

exalted512

I just got food poisoning from some fish I ate at a high-end restaurant yesterday. Does that count?
-Cody

flat 6

Pretty obvious to me...They're trying to frighten you away from eating imported seafood.

fatchowmein

hearingimpared wrote: »

Good Lord, poultry, pork, beef, now fish, not to mention Salmonella laced greens, what the hell is safe to eat!?! Hot dogs - forbidden, prepackaged frozen burgers - forbidden, everytime you turn around there is something not good for you, me thinks technology wants us to turn into robots

Amazing that we're living longer than ever before. Makes you scratch your head...

hearingimpared

fatchowmein wrote: »

Amazing that we're living longer than ever before. Makes you scratch your head...

Wow what a great observation! I couldn't agree with you more. Of course you must take into consideration that the medical community has made giant strides to keep up alive longer but all this stuff about food which is something most eat three times a day has to have something to do with longevity.:)

snow

Hell considering the alcohol and drugs and ciggarettes that most of the folks that post here claim to use or have used over the years coupled with exposure to all types of chemicals at work I think antibiotics in seafood is the least of your concerns.

REGARDS SNOW

hearingimpared

snow wrote: »

Hell considering the alcohol and drugs and ciggarettes that most of the folks that post here claim to use or have used over the years coupled with exposure to all types of chemicals at work I think antibiotics in seafood is the least of your concerns.

REGARDS SNOW

Well said!!!;)

hearingimpared

Keiko wrote: »

Don't drink the water. The fish copulate in it. :eek:

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!:eek: I just got a nasty picture in my mind!

dekuda

snow wrote: »

Hell considering the alcohol and drugs and ciggarettes that most of the folks that post here claim to use or have used over the years coupled with exposure to all types of chemicals at work I think antibiotics in seafood is the least of your concerns.

REGARDS SNOW

We live longer because of our great Pharmaceuticals keeping us alive and the awareness of chloresterol,blood pressure,cancer,diabetes,heart and other screenings and their associated medicine and treatment.Plus there are alot less smokers.Has the pharmaceutical industry ever been as large as it is today. People are popping pills like candy.Yes,we are living longer but are we living better? I am not saying this should be our greatest concern. I will continue to buy beef,chicken,pork from our farmers here in America. But if you buy seafood from Chile ,China,Indonesia,Equador with no standards and quality control then expect to get some pcb's,mercury and toxins and other junk with it. It is your choice;) I love Salmon and only buy sourced from Alaska. And yes,I pay extra for it

bobman1235

dekuda wrote: »

Plus there are alot less smokers.

Yeah, Philip MOrris had a big affect on the world 200 years ago.

BottomFeeder

I'm a bit surprised by all the burying the head in the sand stuff here. The information provided by the video seems pretty straight forward, unbiased and trustworthy. Well, at least to my thinking.
Like dekuda, I value this kind of information. There has been such an increase in cancers and other illnesses over the last couple of decades and I think that much of it stems from the artificial ingredients and drugs that go into our food supply.
I'm not an alarmist, nor am I an conspiracy theory kind of a guy, but you just gotta wonder.
I do, anyway.

snow

I dont think any of us here are burying our heads in the sand, it is always better to eat NATURAL foods that have not been messed with in any way, but it is just my humble oppinion that the use of antibiotics in seafood is most likely far down on the scale of things that can and will harm you compared to many more well proven things that most of us ingest or inhale on a daily basis If indeed we are to get serious about what we put into our bodys such as the smog filled air depending on where you live or the chemical filled water most of us drink every day.

Kudos to the OP for making us aware of the risks associated with this though

REGARDS SNOW

hearingimpared

snow wrote: »

I dont think any of us here are burying our heads in the sand, it is always better to eat NATURAL foods that have not been messed with in any way, but it is just my humble oppinion that the use of antibiotics in seafood is most likely far down on the scale of things that can and will harm you compared to many more well proven things that most of us ingest or inhale on a daily basis If indeed we are to get serious about what we put into our bodys such as the smog filled air depending on where you live or the chemical filled water most of us drink every day.

Kudos to the OP for making us aware of the risks associated with this though

REGARDS SNOW

I agree and I also give Kudos BUT this is the only report I've seen on the subject. I need more evidence to take it seriously. Don't get me wrong I don't doubt that foreign raised fish doesn't have the regulations put forth by the FDA (which is feeble to begin with) but I can't just stop my lifestyle in this regard based on one "ratings getting" source. Now should other private sector or governement agencies do more research and the findings are the same then I would have to give a good long thought as to where, from whom, and how much I'm able to pay to not be shoveling poisoned fish down my gullet.

One more thing . . . the mercury SCARE has been going on for many, many years. What has been done to test fish for mercury content? What means are there to ensure mercury free fish that our domestic fisheries other than farmed fish have been taken. Is it even possible?

Before the dangers of mercury were found, when we were kids we use to break open thermometers and play with the mercury. Roll it around, create games with it similar to marbles, run it over quarters to make them nice and shiny. Would I do that now or allow my younger son to do so, hell no but there was a whole lot of evidence provided about mercury not just one report.

This is my whole point. It's really easy to air ONE such a report and cause people to panic before it has been proven and that is what I object to.

I don't have my head in the sand neither am I going to go nuts and start asking fish mongers where they got their fish and start paying exhorbitant amounts of money for fish which IMHO is already too expensive. Most fish mongers probably don't know where their fish originated anyhow. They seek the cheapest price for their fish on the given day it is purchased.

hearingimpared

Keiko wrote: »

I get nothing but the freshest, finest, local seafood available. Paradise has it's privileges.

You mean lava tainted fish isn't bad for you?

BottomFeeder

Sorry about the "burying the head in the sand thing." Didn't mean to be harsh. But the video showed that there are more than antibiotics being put into the fish - other chemicals that have proven to be harmful. Don't know how far I'll take this, but I AM going to check where my fish is from when I buy seafood.

I avoid farm raised fish as well (well, except when I eat sushi!). I watched a NOVA special on the food that is fed to farm raised fish & it was enough to get me to avoid it. I'm not an alarmist, nor am I a food purist in any way. I still eat waaay too much junk. But I'm also trying to steer clear from at least SOME stuff that's proven to be harmful. I can't help but think that, because much of what goes into our food supply hasn't had any long term testing, we're going to be surprised when we learn just how harmful many additives are.

Joe - loved the mercury thing! I forgot about doing that as a kid! Thanks for the memory. I think.
Keiko - you are very blessed indeedy!

hearingimpared

BottomFeeder wrote: »

Sorry about the "burying the head in the sand thing." Didn't mean to be harsh. But the video showed that there are more than antibiotics being put into the fish - other chemicals that have proven to be harmful. Don't know how far I'll take this, but I AM going to check where my fish is from when I buy seafood.

I avoid farm raised fish as well (well, except when I eat sushi!). I watched a NOVA special on the food that is fed to farm raised fish & it was enough to get me to avoid it. I'm not an alarmist, nor am I a food purist in any way. I still eat waaay too much junk. But I'm also trying to steer clear from at least SOME stuff that's proven to be harmful. I can't help but think that, because much of what goes into our food supply hasn't had any long term testing, we're going to be surprised when we learn just how harmful many additives are.

Joe - loved the mercury thing! I forgot about doing that as a kid! Thanks for the memory. I think.
Keiko - you are very blessed indeedy!

Ah Preacher that's not harsh! Calling people morons or idiots or expletives on the other hand is and I know for a fact you don't nor wouldn't do that.:)

Head in the sand. . . everyday saying.;)

dekuda

hearingimpared wrote: »

BUT this is the only report I've seen on the subject. I need more evidence to take it seriously.
This is my whole point. It's really easy to air ONE such a report and cause people to panic before it has been proven and that is what I object to.

Well here is another report:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=air-pollution-poisoned-seafood

Notice this quote from the article:
"In this study, however, the pathway of the mercury was a little different. Instead, it appears the recent mercury enrichment of the sampled Pacific Ocean waters is caused by emissions originating from fallout near the Asian coasts. The mercury-enriched waters then enter a long-range eastward transport by large ocean circulation currents."
The Obama administration said the study demonstrates the need to curb global mercury emissions.

There is also a Uof I Chicago study I can find for you on the safety of our seafood.

I am with bottomFeeder on this. I am not trying to be a alarmist guys but a realist. More and more of our seafood is coming from Asian countries with polluted waters than ever before:(

hearingimpared

dekuda wrote: »

hearingimpared wrote: »

BUT this is the only report I've seen on the subject. I need more evidence to take it seriously.
This is my whole point. It's really easy to air ONE such a report and cause people to panic before it has been proven and that is what I object to.

Well here is another report:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=air-pollution-poisoned-seafood

Notice this quote from the article:
"In this study, however, the pathway of the mercury was a little different. Instead, it appears the recent mercury enrichment of the sampled Pacific Ocean waters is caused by emissions originating from fallout near the Asian coasts. The mercury-enriched waters then enter a long-range eastward transport by large ocean circulation currents."
The Obama administration said the study demonstrates the need to curb global mercury emissions.

There is also a Uof I Chicago study I can find for you on the safety of our seafood.

I am with bottomFeeder on this. I am not trying to be a alarmist guys but a realist. More and more of our seafood is coming from Asian countries with polluted waters than ever before:(

Thanks for the additional evidence dekuda, maybe I should google this subject and get more informed.

BTW does the "kuda" in your screenname have anything to do with a barracuda, the fish!?! LOL!!!:D