BP spills coffee

danger boy

ok. this thread has gotten way off topic... it started out funny, then degraded to insulting fellow members.. just stop it..

nooshinjohn

Amherst wrote: »

Hardly ridiculous, no administration has turned the environmental clock backwards more than the one in ridicule. The only blind eye in this post is yours.

You would be wrong on that statement. Unless the man can walk on water or is God himself, there is absolutely nothing he can do to slow or reverse the natural ebb and flow of the forces that govern and act upon this planet we call home.

As bad as the mess in the gulf is, and it is horrible to say the least, That volcano currently spewing in Iceland did more damage environmentally in the first five seconds of it's eruption than has been done by the oil in the gulf.

Amherst wrote: »

Congratulations on your work Curt! Past and present.

I too am happy Curt came forward in an attempt to make a difference, but feel the effort was mis-placed. The place to gather in protest is not in front of some poor man's business that had nothing to do with the spill in the first place. The protests need to be in front of the federal buildings and government offices of Congressmen and Senators as they are the ones that have stiffled on-shore and near-shore exploration and extraction efforts for decades now. If this rig had failed on land of closer to shore, it would have been brought under control in less than 48 hours. It still would have been a mess, but hardly the epic disaster it has become.

mrbigbluelight

danger boy wrote: »

ok. this thread has gotten way off topic... it started out funny, then degraded to insulting fellow members.. just stop it..

You're right.

(although I still think gawd visited a case of intestinal revenge on you for that dancing video ......)

nooshinjohn wrote: »

I do not wish to chastise you Curt, but I would do some serious homework about the environmental movement and the tactics you employed. You will find that the modern environmental movement is filled to capacity by communists, socialists and worse.

Well, I'd take that as a ringing endorsement of communists, socialists, and worse.

tonyb

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

Well, I'd take that as a ringing endorsement of communists, socialists, and worse.

Hardly...:rolleyes:

Nobody here is against a clean environment, just the extreme wacko's on both ends of the scale. Seems no matter what we do now, some have to take it to the extreme which dilutes the cause. Regardless, John has a point in misguided anger being placed on small buisness owners of BP gas stations who had zero to do with this spill. Maybe all these boycott specialists should march down their street and boycott their neighbors Toyota sitting in their driveway. Same mentality, Toyota bad..you bought one...your bad too.

nooshinjohn

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

Well, I'd take that as a ringing endorsement of communists, socialists, and worse.

If you did your own homework, you would come to the conclusion that my statement is factually correct. Even the last head of the Soviet Union saw the potential here to bring about the Communist dream of world domination, and became the head of GreenPeace.

I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the ultimate goal of these actions is nothing less than the shredding of our Constitution and the end of the American way of life. Militant environmentalism is but one weapon in their arsenal. To go further with my comments would be seen as to political, but if anyone wishes to discuss this privately, I will be happy to do so.

I want to be clear in that I do not want dirty water, air, soil or other environmental mess. I do want there to be practical, common sense stewardship of our planet. I beleive that treating the earth as this horribly fragile place that is being systematically killed by mankind is naive at best and dangerous to mankind in the long run.

Do your homework people... know your history. There are those out there and in power that believe in the wholesale extermination of BILLIONS of people all in the name of saving the earth. All you need to do is look around you to know that Big Environmentalism is nothing more than a devilish powergrab.

Demiurge

comfortablycurt" wrote:

Hey, screw you dude. Get off your damn high horse and quit trying to insult me. That was a VERY backhanded comment, and one that you NEVER would have made to ANYONE in person. I dropped out of high school for a number of reasons, and it was a decision that I've NEVER regretted a single bit in my entire life.

What have YOU ever done for the world? Please explain.

Oh, gotta love this! My first post in this thread that wasn't directed at any specific person and YOU chose to take it personally. You asked a bunch of questions and I had the courtesy to answer them all whether you wanted me to or not.

How did you respond? By clinging to my one little comment about being a better steward of the earth than some guy sitting outside of a BP station with a boycott sign.

You know what? I stand by it and I don't need to bloviate on Club Polk about how I live my life to feel better about myself or to validate myself to others.

The fact you have to spell it all out tells me all I need to know.

There's nothing my fingers punch into a keyboard I would hesitate allowing to come out of my mouth in front of your face.

comfortablycurt" wrote:

How about you get out and do something, rather than chastising my decision to drop out of high school and get a GED instead. I'll also mention that a high school diploma and a GED are viewed as being essentially the exact same thing in nearly all respects, unless you're trying to get into a university. You can go to any public college on a GED just as easily as you can with a high school diploma.

A high school diploma is essentially meaningless in todays day and age, and not having mine hasn't affected my life a single iota. Dropping out of high school was one of the best decisions I've ever made. Believe it or not, not everyone views life in exactly the same way as you do. Some people have different ambitions. Enjoying life is number one for me...and I do that in spades.

You're awfully touchy about something that doesn't bother you.

comfortablycurt" wrote:

Now kindly quit insulting my intelligence.

I don't need to, you're doing a good job on your own.

Lil'Abbey

If anyone wants to fully understand the gravity of this situation--apart from seeing the video showing oil gushing out of the sea floor--then you must read the following comment posted over at The Oil Drum blog by a poster called dougr.

This is a very long and detailed explanation of what is really happening under the water--the best non-technical explanation that you will read.

If you live in the Gulf or have family there you should take 10 minutes to carefully read this.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967

comfortablycurt

Demiurge wrote: »

Oh, gotta love this! My first post in this thread that wasn't directed at any specific person and YOU chose to take it personally. You asked a bunch of questions and I had the courtesy to answer them all whether you wanted me to or not.

How did you respond? By clinging to my one little comment about being a better steward of the earth than some guy sitting outside of a BP station with a boycott sign.

You know what? I stand by it and I don't need to bloviate on Club Polk about how I live my life to feel better about myself or to validate myself to others.

The fact you have to spell it all out tells me all I need to know.

There's nothing my fingers punch into a keyboard I would hesitate allowing to come out of my mouth in front of your face.



You're awfully touchy about something that doesn't bother you.



I don't need to, you're doing a good job on your own.

What are you talking about? In WHAT way was this post...

Demiurge wrote: »

I'm not a big fan of the public schools, but its glaringly obvious Curt missed out on a lot by dropping out of High School.

...Not directed at me?


I'm doing a good job on my own? Of what, making myself look like an idiot?

Wow, that must explain all of the emails I've received from other members saying that they agree with me whole heartedly.:rolleyes:

Demiurge

comfortablycurt wrote: »

What are you talking about? In WHAT way was this post...



...Not directed at me?


I'm doing a good job on my own? Of what, making myself look like an idiot?

Wow, that must explain all of the emails I've received from other members saying that they agree with me whole heartedly.:rolleyes:

See what I mean, dude, you can't even read:

My first post in this thread that wasn't directed at any specific person and YOU chose to take it personally. You asked a bunch of questions and I had the courtesy to answer them all whether you wanted me to or not.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1360691#post1360691

comfortablycurt

Ok...Let me run you through the chain here...


You said this...

I'm not a big fan of the public schools, but its glaringly obvious Curt missed out on a lot by dropping out of High School.

I said this...

Hey, screw you dude. Get off your damn high horse and quit trying to insult me. That was a VERY backhanded comment, and one that you NEVER would have made to ANYONE in person. I dropped out of high school for a number of reasons, and it was a decision that I've NEVER regretted a single bit in my entire life.

What have YOU ever done for the world? Please explain.

Which you then quoted, and replied to...with this.

Oh, gotta love this! My first post in this thread that wasn't directed at any specific person and YOU chose to take it personally. You asked a bunch of questions and I had the courtesy to answer them all whether you wanted me to or not.

That comment was in no way directed towards your first post in this thread.

Did I ever say that your first post in this thread was directed solely at me? No, I did not.

However, your references to "environuts" and "have fun with your organized protest", were quite apparently directed, whether inadvertently or intentionally, towards me, as I was the only one really talking about such things in this thread.

What other way am I, or anyone else, supposed to take it?


Oh well...I'm done arguing with you, since you obviously don't even know what you're talking about.

"Once again, ignorance shows itself on Club Polk".:rolleyes:

Lil'Abbey

Keiko wrote: »

I didn't read through all of that, but what I did read sounds really grim. My Dad and brother live just outside of New Orleans and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know this is bad and getting worse by the minute. This is a disaster beyond epic proportions. God help us all.

He mentions oil leaking from the seabed as an indicator that the downhole portion of the well is communicating with the porous rock beneath the seafloor.

We indeed see that oil is coming out from the seafloor in this video http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/06/13/bp-gulf-oil-spill-seafloor-oil-gas-leak-videos-photos/

We know that the BOP is listing by looking at the ball level on the BOP itself--there were good close ups of this instrument when they were cutting the riser off (the ball was way off to one side).

The BOP weighs over 400 tons.

Also, if you look at the video today, you will see indeed that there appears to be lateral cables anchored to the BOP itself--which is exactly what dougr wrote BP would need to do to help stabalize this 50ft high structure.

Go here to see the live video streams:

http://bp.isevil.org/

Most experts on The Oil Drum IRC channel (internet chat) agree that the well casing is compromised, the question is how badly.

If the well stays intact long enough to attempt to kill it via the relief wells there is a chance that they will succeed.

But again, this well had major problems when it was drilled, which lowers the probability of relief well success according to what I have read on that topic.

Demiurge

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Ok...Let me run you through the chain here...


You said this...



I said this...



Which you then quoted, and replied to...with this.




That comment was in no way directed towards your first post in this thread.

Did I ever say that your first post in this thread was directed solely at me? No, I did not.

However, your references to "environuts" and "have fun with your organized protest", were quite apparently directed, whether inadvertently or intentionally, towards me, as I was the only one really talking about such things in this thread.

What other way am I, or anyone else, supposed to take it?


Oh well...I'm done arguing with you, since you obviously don't even know what you're talking about.

"Once again, ignorance shows itself on Club Polk".:rolleyes:

If you can't comprehend my comments then we are at an impasse anyways. It was all worded pretty clearly. Try reading rather than reacting.

Jstas

Lasareath wrote: »

I haven't seen one in years, I think I only see them in the south

You might still have Amoco stations floating around up there. We do down here. Amoco used to be American Oil Company which was a spinoff of Standard Oil after the break up. Amoco merged with BP in 1998 and over the next ten years BP did its best to eradicate the Amoco brand from the face of the Earth.

Here, the Wikipedia article esplains it fairly simply and succinctly.

From Wikipedia:

On August 11, 1998, Amoco announced it would merge with British Petroleum (BP) in the world's largest industrial merger. Originally, the plan was for all US BP service stations to be converted to Amoco while all overseas Amoco service stations were to be converted to BP. But by 2001 BP announced that all Amoco service stations would either be closed or renamed to BP service stations, including the remaining stations still bearing the "Standard" name. However, BP rebranded its gas as "Amoco Fuels", including "Amoco Ultimate". By 2008, the "Amoco Fuels" brand had been mostly discontinued in favor of "BP Gasoline with Invigorate." In addition, few BP stations continue operation under the Amoco name. Most were either converted to BP, demolished and replaced with BP-style stations, abandoned, or switched to competitor brands.

exalted512

Curt, Demi---your both stuck in your own views...what you say to each other is not going to change that if you havent figured it out yet. Lets move on.
-Cody

tonyb

Jindal has been the only one with any sense of urgency. Still, the Jones act hasn't been dropped to allow foreign vessels into american waters to help. Protection for the unions ?
I hate when agenda's get in the way of solving problems. This is what happens when you let big brother take charge in any given situation.

nooshinjohn

tonyb wrote: »

This is what happens when you let big brother take charge in any given situation.

This is what happens when you decide to not let a good crisis go to waste...

kevhed72

I don't know....I think some problems are so big that the Federal Government needs to get involved. Do think BP would be able to clean this up on their own? Also, the "accident" mentality doesn't cut it. 99% of accidents are preventable, which means they can be traced back to a root cause, wether that root cause was some type of operational / safety failure on part of BP, or if it goes back to lax regulation and oversight by the Gov't agency is debatable.
I think everyone may be able to agree it was clearly BOTH in this case. "Accidents" just do not happen for no reason (root cause).

Demiurge

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I'm doing this because I'm seriously upset that BP has caused a devastating amount of irreparable damage to the Gulf of Mexico. They can clean it up...but it'll never be fixed. The effects of the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska are still apparent now...and that spill was but a fraction of what the Gulf "spill" is.

Now that caring about this oil spill is no longer en vogue how hilarious is your post?

Ole Mother Nature is one powerful hussie, ain't she, son?