The best drummer ever!

ben62670

I think you are biased Fred;)

FTGV

ben62670 wrote: »

I think you are biased Fred;)

I prefer hi amounts of bias.

vmaxer

Steve Gadd, Ronnie Tutt, Carter Beauford:D:eek::D

Three great drummers, among many more

kuntasensei

Ken Coomer... but mostly when he was with Clockhammer. (I know... I'm the only one.)

superjunior

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another one to throw in the mix, Joey is awesome

inspiredsports

It was exactly Zeppelin's ability to turn "sloppiness" into a precise mix that made them unmatchable.

Don't get me wrong; the other drummers mentioned here are absolutely phenomenal, but predictable "formula" drummers who tap out a perfect 4 time signature. And my dog can do stick tricks. It's the SOUND, guys, not the stick tricks.

Bonham could put down any multiple of beats that simply didn't mathematically fit into a score and make it time out perfectly. He was thinking and playing in a different time dimension than any other drummer ever, and he absolutely made it work.

I've always considered Peart a close second, but in an unfair way in that synthesized drums can allow a computer chip to add a lot of aid to the final product. Bonham was pure.

Maybe I'm not old enough or it's generational, but I surveyed a lot of Buddy Rich clips today and I don't see it. Good showman; yes. Sound in a league like Bonham; in my humble opinion, no.

The OP wrote "The best drummer ever!", I'm sure tongue in cheek, but it elicited my response; Bonham.

Dominion

superjunior wrote: »

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another one to throw in the mix, joey is awesome

+1!!!

hearingimpared

vc69 wrote: »

He actually drank himself to death Joe. I am not aware of him ever having a dope problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bonham#Death

Bonham was a heroin addict who was taking anti-anxiety drugs to curb his appetite for heroin. He then started to drink like there was no tomorrow to replace his needed high. I know he was a Page's place but I alway thought it was Page who found him dead. Apparently I was wrong and it is unclear as to who found him dead.

answerbag.com He died on September 24, 1980 at Jimmy Page's home. He had consumed an uncountable number of drinks and had been taking a drug to keep him off of heroin, and when he was laid down to sleep, his face was up instead of down, which caused him to choke on his own vomit.

leninimports.com On 5 September 1980, Swan Song (Zeppelin's music company) announced a US tour for October. Tickets sold like wildfire and expectations were high. But it was not to be. Ten days after the announcement of the North American tour dates, the band members gathered at Jimmy Page's new mansion on the banks of the River Thames near Windsor for rehearsals. On 24 September, Bonham (or Bonzo as the band members called him) was chauffered to Page's. He had reportedly quit doing heroin, but was taking an anti-anxiety medication called Motival. En route, he stopped at a pub and downed four quadruple vodkas.

During the rehearsal, his drinking continued though this was not unusual for Bonham. Around midnight, he passed out on a sofa and was helped to a bedroom by Page's assistant, Rick Hobbs.

Hobbs left Bonham lying on his side, propped up with pillows, and turned out the lights. When Bonzo hadn't appeared by the next afternoon, Robert Plant's assistent, Benji LeFevre, went in to wake him and found him apparently dead. The ambulance was called but John Bonham, aged 32, had died several hours earlier and was far beyond resuscitation.

I guess we'll never know the real story unless we talk to one LZ members but one thing is for sure it was the dope that got him and the exhorbitant amount of booze he drank that fateful day is what killed him but the heroin was the crux of the problem.

Another snippet of heroin addiction;

http://www.nndb.com/people/184/000023115/

Heroin is the devil!

LessisNevermore

inspiredsports wrote: »

It was exactly Zeppelin's ability to turn "sloppiness" into a precise mix that made them unmatchable.

Don't get me wrong; the other drummers mentioned here are absolutely phenomenal, but predictable "formula" drummers who tap out a perfect 4 time signature. And my dog can do stick tricks. It's the SOUND, guys, not the stick tricks.

Bonham could put down any multiple of beats that simply didn't mathematically fit into a score and make it time out perfectly. He was thinking and playing in a different time dimension than any other drummer ever, and he absolutely made it work.

Do you have an example of this? 99.9% of Zeppelin's music was in 4/4. I love Bonham's playing very much, but you are assigning him credit for things he never did..... I've seen other drummers play in a different time signature with each limb simultaneously, yet it all matched up at various points that were numeric multiples. They are called polyrhythms.

Did you notice that actual notes were being played during those "stick tricks"? Yes, it was not much more than demonstrating a fulcrum technique with the stick, but if those guys can goof off with that much talent, how much **** can the kick when they get more serious?:eek:

"Sloppines" is nothing more than playing slightly ahead or behind the beat, and some guys are masters at this. (Phil Rudd comes to mind) Neil Peart has been criticized for playing so tightly "on" the beat, that his critics referred to him as stiff, and sterile....lacking a perceivable groove, or "feel". I never agreed with that notion, but I understand where it comes from.

I've always considered Peart a close second, but in an unfair way in that synthesized drums can allow a computer chip to add a lot of aid to the final product. Bonham was pure.

Maybe I'm not old enough or it's generational, but I surveyed a lot of Buddy Rich clips today and I don't see it. Good showman; yes. Sound in a league like Bonham; in my humble opinion, no.

The OP wrote "The best drummer ever!", I'm sure tongue in cheek, but it elicited my response; Bonham.

I'm not picking up what you're layin' down here. Peart used electronic drums on occasion, but it wasn't programmed, it was played. He used some small, sequenced patterns as accompaniment during some of his solos, but it was sounds of other instruments.

Again, IMO, there is no "Best Ever", just a multitude of drummers who are phenomenal in their own ways, each with their own particular strengths. It really boils down to each of us having our own favorites. As you said, the OP started this thread as humor, and some of us tend to take this subject more seriously, sometimes too much so.:cool:

kuntasensei

LessisNevermore wrote: »

Again, IMO, there is no "Best Ever", just a multitude of drummers who are phenomenal in their own ways, each with their own particular strengths.

Lies! The drummer in my original post is the BEST DRUMMER EVER!

hearingimpared

kuntasensei wrote: »

Lies! The drummer in my original post is the BEST DRUMMER EVER!

Well Bro, if nothing else he is definitely entertaining to watch.

StevieB

Well, I'll throw Danny Seraphine into the mix. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjsoPCVI5Ko&feature=related. And the original post was sweet.

kuntasensei

Gonna break my rule. I know there's no video accompanying this, but here's one of my favorite songs for drums from back in 1991, from the aforementioned Ken Coomer back when he was with Clockhammer... before his Uncle Tupelo and Wilco days. Not gonna claim him as "the best", but his drum work was always really interesting (not to mention that Clockhammer was one of the most underrated bands ever).

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obieone

I had heard of Buddy Rich from a friend who was a drummer. It wasn't until this episode of the Muppets, that gave me an understanding of what he was talking about.:D



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LessisNevermore

Apparently they are giving out endorsements to cover bands now.

http://www.ludwig-drums.com/features/interviews/moore2010.php

Good for him.

(the article mentions a drummer for the band "Wraithchild". Big typo, it was Wrathchild America, and Shannon Larkin is a certified freak of nature)