Project Debut iii with Denon 160-DL

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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited June 2010
    The MFSL GeoDisc is really easy to use and there's lots of info on the web giving tips for using it. It will at a minimum get you very close on cart set-up and then you or someone with a lot of experience can do the final tweaks.
    DKG999
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited June 2010
    THanks Joe, I do not have this TT just trying to help Paul since I sold him the Denon cart.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited June 2010
    thsmith wrote: »
    THanks Joe, I do not have this TT just trying to help Paul since I sold him the Denon cart.

    I knew that Tracy. I made reference to Paul in my reply as I saw your post about making a trip to his house to help him out.

    I would still call Project first and see if they'll GIVE you a protractor for their table, if not you can try the free ones but as I said and as Dougy said above the Geodisc is a fine product and will last forever.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited June 2010
    dkg999 wrote: »
    The MFSL GeoDisc is really easy to use and there's lots of info on the web giving tips for using it. It will at a minimum get you very close on cart set-up and then you or someone with a lot of experience can do the final tweaks.

    Yep, I have one from the '80s that I use to help people dial in their TTs/carts/tonearms. I wonder if they still include the mirror on the newer Geodiscs?
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,204
    edited June 2010
    Tracy and Joe thanks for your help with this. Once I get the Acryl-It platter, I'll start set-up all over again and see where I'm at.

    I didn't really understand the answer from Pro-ject either, but I was going to wait until I began setting up again to ask what they meant. I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who didn't understand their answer. I think their preference is that you take it to a dealer to have it done. No thanks.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited June 2010
    PSOVLSK wrote: »
    Tracy and Joe thanks for your help with this. Once I get the Acryl-It platter, I'll start set-up all over again and see where I'm at.

    I didn't really understand the answer from Pro-ject either, but I was going to wait until I began setting up again to ask what they meant. I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who didn't understand their answer. I think their preference is that you take it to a dealer to have it done. No thanks.

    Oh Paul, I understood their answer, it was just a crappy customer service response IMHO. Next time you call them try to talk them into sending their protractor for free. You are right, to hell with having a dealer do it unless it is a courtesy, it really isn't that hard. It just takes a little time and patience and a magnifying glass.:)

    BTW when you do set it up, DON'T WEAR LONG SLEEVES OR DO ANY DRINKING!;)
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  • HB27
    HB27 Posts: 1,518
    edited June 2010
    Ditto on not using long sleeves during set up OR around tonearms in general.
    I just broke a Micro Seiki arm a couple of months ago when I pulled my arm away from setting down the arm/cart on a good album. I lost the arm, destroyed the album, and stylus. Freak accident but it happened all the same.
    Then about a month ago Dippity here on the forum brought me a Micro Seiki table for parts with the arm on it and he broke the arm on that one with his long sleeves. Bad luck on the Micro Seike arms here.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited June 2010
    Yep, a friend here bought a new Shelter 901 cartridge, they retail for around $1500. While setting it up he caught the sleeve of his on sweater on the stylus!!! UGH!!! Painful to the wallet lesson.
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  • Polkersince85
    Polkersince85 Posts: 2,883
    edited June 2010
    HB27 wrote: »
    Bad luck on the Micro Seike arms here.

    Those were some expensive moves. Ouch! I'd cry if I broke my Max 282.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited June 2010
    Polkersince85 wrote: »
    Those were some expensive moves. Ouch! I'd cry if I broke my Max 282.

    :eek::eek::eek::eek: You just made me think of the replacement cost of my SME V tonearm is anything were to happen to it!:eek:
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,204
    edited June 2010
    Acryl-it = Success:D:D:D:D

    I'm going to do a re-setup and try to squeeze the very best from my modest setup. (I'll be wearing short sleeves of course.)

    Moral of the story is this: If you own a Pro-ject Debut iii (or any other TT with a steel platter), don't buy a Denon 160-DL unless you want to fork over more money for a new platter:p

    Thanks for all the help guys.

    Paul
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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  • HB27
    HB27 Posts: 1,518
    edited June 2010
    PSOVLSK wrote: »
    Acryl-it = Success:D:D:D:D

    I'm going to do a re-setup and try to squeeze the very best from my modest setup. (I'll be wearing short sleeves of course.)

    Moral of the story is this: If you own a Pro-ject Debut iii (or any other TT with a steel platter), don't buy a Denon 160-DL unless you want to fork over more money for a new platter:p

    Thanks for all the help guys.

    Paul

    I brought this up to a tech that sets up a lot of turntables and he suggested a sticky mat. It's supposed to insulate it enough to eleminate the issue.
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  • audiobilly
    audiobilly Posts: 351
    edited June 2010
    HB27 wrote: »
    I brought this up to a tech that sets up a lot of turntables and he suggested a sticky mat. It's supposed to insulate it enough to eleminate the issue.

    Are you saying that a sticky mat will inhibit a magnetic flux field?
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  • HB27
    HB27 Posts: 1,518
    edited June 2010
    I'm taking it that it spaces the cart from the platter enough to compensate.
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,204
    edited June 2010
    HB27 wrote: »
    I brought this up to a tech that sets up a lot of turntables and he suggested a sticky mat. It's supposed to insulate it enough to eleminate the issue.

    Now you tell me:p
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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  • HB27
    HB27 Posts: 1,518
    edited June 2010
    Keiko wrote: »
    Interesting. Never had an issue with my DL-160 on my Technics SL-1210M5G table or the Audio-Technica PL-120 I had before upgrading to the Technics. I assume the heavy base aluminum platters make a difference. :confused:

    I'm itching to try the Dynavector 10x5, but since the wife got laid off all things 'audio' are on hold.

    I wonder if it's the magnetic properties of aluminum?
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited June 2010
    There might be something to the sticky mat idea. I was thinking about my experience with the Denon DL-160 (a great cart) on my Pro-ject 6.9. The platter is heavy iron but coated with PVC. Never had any issues. The PVC is not very thick so the sticky/rubber mat idea may work. Sorry I didn't think of this two weeks ago POVLSK.
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  • HB27
    HB27 Posts: 1,518
    edited June 2010
    Keiko wrote: »
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_aluminum_magnetic

    I meant to say "Alloy" instead of aluminum. It was late, running on little sleep, and listening to an old Dual Quad 510 table with alloy platter I'd just bought with minty Sansui QRX-7500.
    I shouldn't think out loud and definitely not Key sometimes. LOL!
    I've been on this topic with you guys since I have two buddies running Denon carts with the same or similar set up issues with the Denon Carts right now.
    JerryJ12 and ajcllc. Jerry that posted here previously on his 103r and Andy that just went to the higher output 160 are having similar issues.
    This tech I've been talking to has a very nice older high end (don't remember model #) Pro-ject with the large wooden base for sale I've been thinking on grabbing. His asking price with a nice cart is about $300. I've got mostly Thorens tables and the Pro-ject seems like a nice change of pace and very attractive. I also have access to a "good as new" 103R" cheap and thought about the ZU mod.
    I'm keeping my eyes and ears open here to see what happens before I lay down my bucks. It's nice to learn on "house money".
    Harry
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  • audiobilly
    audiobilly Posts: 351
    edited June 2010
    HB27 wrote: »
    I wonder if it's the magnetic properties of aluminum?

    Aluminum is non Ferrous (no iron). Ferrous materials are susceptible to magnetic flux.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited June 2010
    Paul, don't worry the SQ improvement with the acrylic platter is due to the mechanical impedance match to vinyl. It will sound better than any metal, aluminum or metal composite platter no matter what it is covered in, unless of course it is delrin, due to the match.

    You made a really good move.

    BTW aluminum has no magnetic qualities.
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