Advice on a price for selling my car

nooshinjohn

I think I will accept the Manufacture's definitions.... Hyundai calls the two door Genesis a Coupe. Chevrolet calls the Camaro a coupe... Maybe Hyundai/GM/Chrysler/Ford are not as smart as you, but their word on the subject is good enough for me. Not all of us feel compelled by our egos to be the smartest guy in the room, or on the internet for that matter.


Cheers!

ken brydson

FiveORacing wrote: »

By any chance, did Jon Voight ever own it?

Gold, Jerry gold!!

Jstas

nooshinjohn wrote: »

I think I will accept the Manufacture's definitions.... Hyundai calls the two door Genesis a Coupe. Chevrolet calls the Camaro a coupe... Maybe Hyundai/GM/Chrysler/Ford are not as smart as you, but their word on the subject is good enough for me. Not all of us feel compelled by our egos to be the smartest guy in the room, or on the internet for that matter.


Cheers!

It's not MY definition. It's the Society of Automotive Engineers.

http://www.sae.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_International

They are made up of people from various companies like Hyundai, GM, Chrysler, Ford and so on. Just because some marketing putz is calling it a "coupe" doesn't mean it's correct. "Coupe" is sexier than "2 door sedan" or "2 door saloon" so they are going to call it what sells.

I'm not compelled by any ego. You made an inaccurate statement. Now you are saying that you are going to go on the word of the "Manufacture's " definition. The "Manufacture's " are made up of people from the SAE. The SAE defines accepted standards that even the government goes by.

Don't believe me, buy a Hyundai Genesis and register it. It will come up as "2 Dr. Sdn." not "Cp". My Mustang and my Thunderbird, both "coupes" by your definition, were registered as "2 Dr. Sdn."

Do you ever get tired of contradicting yourself?

concealer404

Jstas wrote: »

Speaking of tariffs, they drive the cost of parts up. Which is why companies like Toyota use Canadian and Mexican parts manufacturers to exploit NAFTA. But they still get taxed on the raw materials and even partially assembled parts of the parts that come over here.

Also see: Ford Fusion, as well as a host of other domestic cars.

concealer404

Jstas wrote: »

A Hyundai Tiburon is nothing like any Mazda I know of.

If I were Mazda, I'd be insulted by that statement.

The only semi-sporty cars that Mazda ever had that are like the Tiburon are the MX-6 which will beat the pants off a Tiburon while being 10 years older and the Eunos which is more like a Nissan Silvia and still 10 years older. Anything else sporty from Mazda like an MX-5/Miata, RX-7, RX-8 or Cosmo have such historical significance that even mentioning them in the same sentence as Hyundai anything is automotive blasphemy.

Jstas speaks the truth like no truth has ever been spoken before. The Tiburon is an insult to "sports coupes" everywhere. I feel no need for a two-door Elantra.

As for 60k with nothing but routine maintainence? That's pretty commonplace. I'd be extremely pisseed off if i had any major failures with only 60k on the clock for most consumer vehicles.

I have yet to replace the original starter or alternator on the Celica. After 253k miles, no less. The car gets raced, beat on, put away wet, and it's NEVER let me down in any way, shape, or form. (Well, besides being completely gutless in a straight line)

cstmar01

concealer404 wrote: »

Jstas speaks the truth like no truth has ever been spoken before. The Tiburon is an insult to "sports coupes" everywhere.

Ben that was going to be my next car I was going to get so I could come out and race against you in it.

nooshinjohn

a search for the Hyundai Genesis two door sedan revealed this...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7SUNA_en&ei=GEoFTInGOYTaNvfa0Ts&sa=X&oi=spellfullpage&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=2&ved=0CB8QvwUoAQ&q=hyundai+genesis+two+door+sedan&spell=1


If Hyundai is going to call it a coupe, it's a coupe. I don't care about the technical definition of the term and that definition has changed countless times over the decades. They are more used today as branding identifiers rather than their true definitions. Terms such as Brougham, Town Car, Cabriolet, Roadster, and Touring Car are nothing more than names today, but that are all names of proper body types that had their place decades ago. If you want to call a two door car a sedan , you may technically do so, but I don't care about outmoded definitions. I prefer to call a 4door car a sedan and 2 doors a coupe.:D:cool:

If I am wrong then the Manufacturers are wrong as well, but I will stick with them anyway because the voices don't talk to me...

Zitro

Jstas wrote: »

???

What does that have to do with anything?

Also, the Genesis is not a sports car. It's a 2 door sedan with a decent amount of power. I wouldn't even call it a muscle car. But the cars it is meant to compete with (Mustang, Camaro, Challenger) outclass it with just the base models. BTW, The Mustang, Camaro and Challenger are all classified as 2 door sedans as well. They are sporty, not sports cars. There are very few true sports cars left on the market. Even the now piggish Mazda MX-5 is moving away from that.

I'm glad you're happy with your Hyundai. Even if they were the last company on Earth, I'd sooner walk than drive a Hyundai/Kia. I would rather have a Toyota try and kill me with fiery death than drive a Hyundai/Kia. I would drive a Chevy before I drove a Hyundai/Kia.

2 door sedan? :rolleyes:

And Sorry, but the base models do not "outclass" it unless you are looking at straight horsepower. I have driven the V-6 Genesis and V-6 Camaro, and The Genesis feels like a true sporty car. The Camaro does not. It is also not aimed at 3 domestic "muscle" cars LOL. You really think Hyundai is marketing this car to people who would be in the market for a Chevy/ Dodge/ Ford?

As for the "I'd rather blah blah blah than drive a Hyundai" comments, I'm going to leave those ridiculous comments alone; this is a kinder forum now and I don't feel like arguing with a person with your attitude.

concealer404

cstmar01 wrote: »

Ben that was going to be my next car I was going to get so I could come out and race against you in it.

Go for it. Would you prefer to be monkey-f***ed by the Escort or the MX6?

I'll even turn down the pressure on the MX6 to 5psi from the normal 16-18psi, if you'd like.

Zitro

nooshinjohn wrote: »

i think i will accept the manufacture's definitions.... Hyundai calls the two door genesis a coupe. Chevrolet calls the camaro a coupe... Maybe hyundai/gm/chrysler/ford are not as smart as you, but their word on the subject is good enough for me. Not all of us feel compelled by our egos to {pretend to} be the smartest guy in the room, or on the internet for that matter.


Cheers!

+1

concealer404

Comments on the Mercedes CLS 4 door coupe?

Zitro

concealer404 wrote: »

Go for it. Would you prefer to be monkey-f***ed by the Escort or the MX6?

I'll even turn down the pressure on the MX6 to 5psi from the normal 16-18psi, if you'd like.

Do you have the 200hp 2.5L swap?

concealer404

Zitro wrote: »

Do you have the 200hp 2.5L swap?

In the MX6? No... but funny you mention that, since the Escort is receiving that motor. (Stripping down an MX3 GS V6 with 86k miles to cannibalize swap parts into a 273k mile Escort makes sense, right?) KLZE = massive amounts of win.

This is the MX6. 20 year old $900 car with the stock motor still screaming all available fury at every oppurtunity.



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Sorry... not the same MX6 that people usually associate with that name. There WAS an MX6 before the curvy sexy car that you all know was created.

nooshinjohn

concealer404 wrote: »

Comments on the Mercedes CLS 4 door coupe?

If they want to call a sedan a coupe, that's their call. Maybe Jstas has an answer for that too. While he's at it if he could help define the Saturn Ion Quad Coupe I would be most grateful. I have always been troubled by that one. I cannot tell you how many nights sleep I lost trying to figure that one out;):p

Zitro

concealer404 wrote: »

In the MX6? No... but funny you mention that, since the Escort is receiving that motor. (Stripping down an MX3 GS V6 with 86k miles to cannibalize swap parts into a 273k mile Escort makes sense, right?) KLZE = massive amounts of win.

This is the MX6. 20 year old $900 car with the stock motor still screaming all available fury at every oppurtunity.



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Sorry... not the same MX6 that people usually associate with that name. There WAS an MX6 before the curvy sexy car that you all know was created.

A good looking car nonetheless. And for $900, you lucked out. The closest I came to a deal like that was my neighbor had a $500 '93 Ford Mustand GT w/ the 5.0 motor, but traded he ended up trading it for an ATV :mad:

The tuner scene is huge here in Orlando, and I know guys with all kinds of cars; a lot of imported right-hand drive JDM cars (RX-7, Skyline, Silvia, AE86, even a Starion, etc). One guy has that KLZE swapped into a Ford Contour SVT (of all things lol); it's modified and can seriously surprise you with its power.

concealer404

Bonus is that the motor that was stock in this car > KLZE. I'm still running a 100% stock motor, and it's taking a much bigger turbo at over twice the boost it ran stock in stride. Conservative estimate would put this car at maybe just under 300whp, and over 350ftlbs of torque. To the wheels. It's an adventure trying to keep it in a straight line.

Oh... and StarQuests are the business. I want one badly.

concealer404

nooshinjohn wrote: »

If they want to call a sedan a coupe, that's their call. Maybe Jstas has an answer for that too. While he's at it if he could help define the Saturn Ion Quad Coupe I would be most grateful. I have always been troubled by that one. I cannot tell you how many nights sleep I lost trying to figure that one out;):p

"Suicide" doors don't count, duh!!!!

RX8 = 2 door coupe.

tonyb

nooshinjohn wrote: »

If they want to call a sedan a coupe, that's their call. Maybe Jstas has an answer for that too. While he's at it if he could help define the Saturn Ion Quad Coupe I would be most grateful. I have always been troubled by that one. I cannot tell you how many nights sleep I lost trying to figure that one out;):p

C'mon buddy boy,give the man a chance to search wikepedia.:p:)

nooshinjohn

concealer404 wrote: »

"Suicide" doors don't count, duh!!!!

RX8 = 2 door coupe.

And THAT'S why I lost so much sleep. Why would a manufacturer built a car designed to encourage someone to take their lives.:eek::eek:;):p

NotaSuv

Zitro wrote: »

2 door sedan? :rolleyes:

And Sorry, but the base models do not "outclass" it unless you are looking at straight horsepower. I have driven the V-6 Genesis and V-6 Camaro, and The Genesis feels like a true sporty car. The Camaro does not. It is also not aimed at 3 domestic "muscle" cars LOL. You really think Hyundai is marketing this car to people who would be in the market for a Chevy/ Dodge/ Ford?

As for the "I'd rather blah blah blah than drive a Hyundai" comments, I'm going to leave those ridiculous comments alone; this is a kinder forum now and I don't feel like arguing with a person with your attitude.

Drove a friends Genesis the other day and was quite surprised as I had a V-6 Camaro and it was a 3 legged dog compared to the Genesis I drove....

Jstas

tonyb wrote: »

C'mon buddy boy,give the man a chance to search wikepedia.:p:)

Nice.

Even though I've given more than one reference you and the peanut gallery have no other argument but to attack me personally.

You're wrong, nooshinjohn is wrong, the marketing putzes at Hyundai are wrong and Zitro is wrong with his feelings hurt.

j allen

Just a thought: modded cars were usually modded for a reason: to be driven hard. If you're set on a modded Sunfire, find one stock and mod it yourself. You'll probably be better off in the long run.

Barefoot

$1,000. Max. That 3.1v6 is almost as notorious as the old Tech 4 "Iron Duke".

And contrary to popular opinion, ricing a car doesn't up the value in the real world. That aforementioned Pontiac Sunfire, aka Chevy Cavalier, is largely worthless.

I've been in the market for a pre-owned NSX for a couple of months now. If it's been modded in any way shape or form, I walk away.

AsSiMiLaTeD

When are you guys gonna learn that you're not going to win an argument with John?

In this case, I'm sure John's right 'technically', but in the 'real world' where we live and interact with each other, I've always heard 2 dr referred to as a coupe and a 4 dr referred to as a sedan, so that's what I'm gonna go with.

mdaudioguy

I was once the (not so proud) owner of an '87 Mustang sedan. They had a "hatchback", which was more popular, and a "sedan", which had a typical trunk, rather than the hatchback. Yeah, it was beige and had the 2.3 4 cyl... What a dog!

After that, I had a '93 Probe GT. Once again, that car was crippled with an automatic transmission. I always felt that V6 had so much more power, but the tranny was so sluggish, I used to think it was filled with molasses. Anyhow, I always loved the styling of the MX6/Probe cousins.

nooshinjohn

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

When are you guys gonna learn that you're not going to win an argument with John?

In this case, I'm sure John's right 'technically', but in the 'real world' where we live and interact with each other, I've always heard 2 dr referred to as a coupe and a 4 dr referred to as a sedan, so that's what I'm gonna go with.

Rule #1: John is ALWAYS right!

Rule #2: when John is wrong, see rule #1
subrule a: The voices don't talk to you. To avoid any confrontation arrising from rule mis-interpretation it is best to just let it go and STFU...:p:p:D

You are Omnipotent John, I tip my hat to you sir!:cool:

tonyb

I just have a thing against wikepedia,not John. He uses wikepedia alot in his posts, but hey,thats just me. I find that common sense trumps wikepedia most times. Anyway,here in the states,maybe different across the pond, 2 door is normally a coupe, 4 door a sedan. Speaking in general of coarse as there may be exceptions.

Zitro

Jstas wrote: »

Nice.

Even though I've given more than one reference you and the peanut gallery have no other argument but to attack me personally.

You're wrong, nooshinjohn is wrong, the marketing putzes at Hyundai are wrong and Zitro is wrong with his feelings hurt.

If Hyundai's marketing is wrong, I have no idea how they have more black ink in their accounting books globally than most auto manufacturers right now. And you give yourself too much credit by saying you hurt my feelings; you are just an argumentative internet know-it-all; why would I get hurt? You drive whatever you have and call it whatever you want, and I will do the same.

Anyways, back to the OP (lol, sorry about that).

PerfectCreature

Hmmm....So I still have not figured out any other car choices....
I mean, I looked around for a tibouron, and I found a few between 2-5000
Would any of those be ok deals?
I didn't see any mazdas that lowered more than 4-10,000
I found a mustang but that was more of a restore car, and he wanted 3k because "It had memories"

Zitro

PerfectCreature wrote: »

Hmmm....So I still have not figured out any other car choices....
I mean, I looked around for a tibouron, and I found a few between 2-5000
Would any of those be ok deals?
I didn't see any mazdas that lowered more than 4-10,000
I found a mustang but that was more of a restore car, and he wanted 3k because "It had memories"

Why are you looking for a new car if you just did an overhaul on a perfectly good car? in this economy, I say ride that thing until it's done. You know your car is in good shape, you don't know what you are gonna get on the used market.