You want an Apple iPad, you better not pay by cash

doctorcilantro

shack wrote: »

doctorcilantro wrote:

Interesting:

This is what I pointed out to you back in post #85

Yes, you mentioned that but I didn't see you reference anything IIRC. I just got around to verifying your claim.

shack

doctorcilantro wrote:

Yes, you mentioned that but I didn't see you reference anything IIRC. I just got around to verifying your claim.

You're right, I didn't reference anything...just based on what I know.

doctorcilantro

shack wrote: »

You're right, I didn't reference anything...just based on what I know.

That's okay, I didn't know if you were right or wrong. You may in the "real" world be an authority on such matters. I do appreciate you posting that though.

mmadden28

tonyb wrote: »

A buisness should be free to sell their product anyway they see fit. You are also free to buy that product,or not. Gotta love that "freedom" thing. Personally,I don't see an issue here, don't buy an apple product if you don't like their practices.

And if a business sees fit to refuse to sell to certain groups of people, is that OK too?

shack

mmadden28 wrote:

And if a business sees fit to refuse to sell to certain groups of people, is that OK too?

No...THAT is against the law. Deciding to not accept a certain type of payment for the purchase of goods is not.

madmax

mmadden28 wrote: »

And if a business sees fit to refuse to sell to certain groups of people, is that OK too?

As I remember from my days as a salesman you cannot legally refuse to sell to a particular person. I guess alcohol and other issues of safety have other rules.

ShinAce

madmax wrote: »

As I remember from my days as a salesman you cannot legally refuse to sell to a particular person. I guess alcohol and other issues of safety have other rules.

Really? So everytime the bartender cuts me off I should call the cops. When you ask an irate client to leave, they can call the cops as well?

Obviously, no one is gonna turn a blind eye to discrimination, but a business is not forced to sell you anything.

Jstas

I tell people to stay the hell out of my business all the time!

tonyb

mmadden28 wrote: »

And if a business sees fit to refuse to sell to certain groups of people, is that OK too?

Apple didn't refuse to sell her a product,she refused to meet the criteria set forth by apple,to buy their product. If it bothered enough people,who stopped buying apple products, they would change. Untill then, suck it up,or stop buying their products.

Sami

Too bad they started accepting cash, I was already planning to camp outside Apple stores with my CC's and offer to buy them for people without a CC. For a small fee of course. Damn, another "get-rich-scheme" ruined...

cfrizz

tonyb wrote: »

Apple didn't refuse to sell her a product,she refused to meet the criteria set forth by apple,to buy their product. If it bothered enough people,who stopped buying apple products, they would change. Untill then, suck it up,or stop buying their products.

But that is the key Tony, people have to KNOW about the issue in order to make up their minds.

I had no idea that Apple had this policy in place. I'm sure lots of other people had no clue as well.

Apple finally came out with a product that this woman was interested in buying with cash & got turned down.

What you all are saying is that this woman shouldn't have complained to make this issue KNOWN to the general public. Sorry but that is wrong.

Knowledge is power, but only if enough people know about an issue, are they able to take a stand on it, which is what this woman did.

She did nothing wrong, and what she did to make this issue known will help all those people who believe in paying with cash for products.

shack

cfrizz wrote:

She did nothing wrong, and what she did to make this issue known will help all those people who believe in paying with cash for products.

Neither did Apple...and they were vilified for it. That is my issue. She had alternatives to running to the press.

Whatever...this is/was all a big issue about nothing IMO. I'm done.

madmax

ShinAce wrote: »

Really? So everytime the bartender cuts me off I should call the cops. When you ask an irate client to leave, they can call the cops as well?

You obviously did not read my post or you need a reading course, which I WILL NOT sell to you.

PhantomOG

shack wrote: »

Neither did Apple...and they were vilified for it.

This is what I don't understand. How exactly was Apple villified? Nothing that was reported in the original article was untrue. Nothing was exaggerated. Important details (like *why* Apple had the policy) were not left out. Just because a lot of people apparently don't like the policy doesn't mean Apple was villified.

cfrizz

PhantomOG wrote: »

This is what I don't understand. How exactly was Apple villified? Nothing that was reported in the original article was untrue. Nothing was exaggerated. Important details (like *why* Apple had the policy) were not left out. Just because a lot of people apparently don't like the policy doesn't mean Apple was villified.

Precisely!

Why shouldn't this woman complain to whomever she wanted to about this situation? Why are all of you so willing to deny her, her RIGHT to free speech?

You've said she should have handled it another way, what way?

Why was it wrong for the public at large to be made aware of this issue?

All of you have said is that she was wrong to do so, but none of you have yet to give an appropriate reason as to exactly why what she did was wrong.

Exactly how has Apple been villified? Outside of the fact that you don't agree with what she did, none of you have proven what she did was wrong.

tonyb

Cathy,nobody did anything wrong, thats the point. If the press wants to make the world know about it,so be it. This woman obviously had no idea of the stores policy,but then at that moment,she had a choice,pay with a cc,or don't buy it. Sure,she can complain,thats her right,nobody is saying any different. I'm sure the millions of customers apple has,allready know of this policy from past purchases. For apple to change the way they due buisness, which as far as I can tell,has been working for them so far, because of one persons complaint,seems idiotic to me.

inspiredsports

ShinAce wrote: »

. . . but a business is not forced to sell you anything.

You may be forgetting the new precedent in the healthcare industry. It seems we are being forced to buy and the corollary is that providers are forced to sell.

mmadden28

shack wrote: »

No...THAT is against the law. Deciding to not accept a certain type of payment for the purchase of goods is not.

Right, but it wasn't always against the law-and was practiced quite often. Didn't mean it was right.

cfrizz

tonyb wrote: »

Cathy,nobody did anything wrong, thats the point. If the press wants to make the world know about it,so be it. This woman obviously had no idea of the stores policy,but then at that moment,she had a choice,pay with a cc,or don't buy it. Sure,she can complain,thats her right,nobody is saying any different. I'm sure the millions of customers apple has,allready know of this policy from past purchases. For apple to change the way they due buisness, which as far as I can tell,has been working for them so far, because of one persons complaint,seems idiotic to me.

The media is not the one to decided that what Apple did was wrong, they simply reported it. Again NO ONE told Apple to stop doing business that way, but no doubt when the furor started, they quickly changed their minds, since there was the potential of losing millions more future customers.

Sorry for those of you who don't like the fact that the press turned the power of 1 complaint into possibly millions.

cfrizz

mmadden28 wrote: »

Right, but it wasn't always against the law-and was practiced quite often. Didn't mean it was right.

Bingo!

At one time slavery, discrimination, public racism were all considered legal. But they certainly weren't right. Time, & laws & public pressure corrected most of it.