Remastered Exile On Main St.

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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited May 2010
    dkg999 wrote: »
    Let me listen to the CD version and give you my opinion

    Thank you Sir and valued opinion it is!;):)
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    edited May 2010
    dkg999 wrote: »
    vmaxer - while I'm enjoying listening to the different variations of this album why don't you research all that and provide me with a clear, concise 411 on all the details :cool: ;)


    I ordered the vinyl version and will let you know what is on it when it arrives. I do know it is a double lp...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,716
    edited May 2010
    From Amazon:
    This vinyl edition is housed in a double gatefold sleeve and includes the original album on one disc and the bonus material on the other disc.

    Is the bonus material on the secone lp not the same as what you get on the CD version???

    That's wrong. The 10 "bonus" tracks are on CD only. The LP was and still is a 2 LP set.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited May 2010
    Here's what the CD looks like!
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    edited May 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    That's wrong. The 10 "bonus" tracks are on CD only. The LP was and still is a 2 LP set.

    Bummer,

    I already ordered it:mad:
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited May 2010
    The CD with the original album is mastered hot. Not as bad as Led Zep's Motherland, but still much hotter than it needed to be. Really a shame because you can tell it had real potential and the detail and dynamics are there. The bonus tracks CD is actually much better mastered.

    The LoDKGico recommendation - for serious listening buy the vinyl version. If the bonus tracks and interviews with the band CD trip your trigger, buy both. If you're vinyllaly impaired don't say I didn't warn you.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2010
    I think I'll pass on this one. Even though many consider it to be one of the Stone's best...it is one of my least favorite of their albums.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,716
    edited May 2010
    I passed by my local music store today...had to stop and buy the Deluxe CD vesrion. I just finished listening to both CD's.
    dkg999 wrote: »
    The CD with the original album is mastered hot. Not as bad as Led Zep's Mother(ship), but still much hotter than it needed to be. Really a shame because you can tell it had real potential and the detail and dynamics are there. The bonus tracks CD is actually much better mastered.

    Doug, you said EXACTLY what I was getting ready to type.

    This one is a ****, save your money.
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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited May 2010
    I have been following this release for a while now and was actually surprised by some of the positive reviews earlier in this thread because that has not been what I have been reading.

    For those of you that want to hear the bonus tracks from the making of the album. It is unknown as to when a lot of the tracks were actually cut as even the band didn't know. They picked some that they thought were from that time but weren't sure. In addition, these weren't actual songs from the past as they didn't have lyrics/ vocals. Jagger did the writing / and probably more importantly did the vocals present day. They also did some current day overdubs on them....including Mick Taylor doing overdubs on Plunder My Soul.

    Jagger actually did the remastering himself. I wish somebody that was more qualified would remaster a lot of their work, but I guess that would cost money and cut into profits. I have yet to find any of their work listenable on a decent system...with the exception of Stripped. That one is acceptable...not great but acceptable.

    Just my .02

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,716
    edited May 2010
    I have yet to find any of their work listenable on a decent system...

    The SACD's are excellent.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,202
    edited May 2010
    Midnite Mick wrote: »
    I have yet to find any of their work listenable on a decent system...

    Just my .02

    Regards,
    Mike

    Maybe you should get a new system.
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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited May 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Maybe you should get a new system.[/QUOTE

    I guess I should get a crappy system as I heard them sound good on one of those. I am not downgrading in order for certain music to sound good. Maybe a second system more geared for rock possibly.

    I have not heard any of the sacd's but I think those were just Beggars Banquet and older...however, I may be wrong. That may be something I look into in the future.

    Thanks,
    Mike

    PS. Oh some of the stuff on the rarities cd sounds very good actually....fancy man blues being my favourite.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2010
    Midnite Mick wrote:
    I have not heard any of the sacd's but I think those were just Beggars Banquet and older...however, I may be wrong. That may be something I look into in the future.

    Actually the SACDs were up to "Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out" as well as the compilation albums "Hot Rocks" and "Metamorphosis". They were ABKCO reissues and you had to look very closely at the packaging to know if it was the version with the SACD or not.

    Good luck in finding any of those...especially new. Most are going for $50++ used.
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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited May 2010
    For anybody that cares here is a thread looking at some numbers.

    http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1248715

    Regards,
    Mike
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    edited May 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    That's wrong. The 10 "bonus" tracks are on CD only. The LP was and still is a 2 LP set.

    As is usual.....F1 is correct:)

    I do like the vinyl though and it does seem that the second LP sounds better:confused:
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited May 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    All of my Stones collection is on vinyl and most of it is really well done. The only album I have to replace is "Sticky Fingers." I had the original with the zipper and all but it got destroyed in a a flood back in 2002 and I wasn't able to restore it. I have other copies but they are beat too and don't have the zipper.

    Whoever put that damn zipper on there should have been shot! You gotta keep it at the end of the rack to keep from effing up other records. :p
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited August 2012
    I am very glad I read this thread and another Exile thread before I bought anything. I avoided all the Exile remasters after reading many of the reviews. I have the original cd, but having jumped into vinyl I splurged and got a mint original Japanese LP on eBay. Just received it, it is sounding fantastic on 40-year old vinyl!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,716
    edited August 2012
    Get the SHM-SACD version, simply excellent!
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited August 2012
    After I pay off the mortgage I took out for the Japanese vinyl :eek:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,716
    edited August 2012
    :lol::lol::lol:
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited September 2012
    This SACD showed up today, and I am listening to it now, over and over. I am really happy with how great it sounds. This is the first rock album I have bought in a long time that really sounds good. Plus I like most of the songs. That helps a lot.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited September 2012
    I love how a CD player lets you jump around between songs. There is no way I could enjoy this album as much with a turn table. Also, it seems as if all the upgrades I did over the last year or so were for this SACD. Everything just seems to be working great together.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2012
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I love how a CD player lets you jump around between songs. There is no way I could enjoy this album as much with a turn table. Also, it seems as if all the upgrades I did over the last year or so were for this SACD. Everything just seems to be working great together.

    I'm missing something. Didn't I read over and over that the remastered Exile on Main Street was to be avoided. I had read that the remaster was very compressed, typical loudness war stuff, etc. Is the SACD remaster a completely different animal?

    Call me old fashioned, but when I sit down to listen to a good album, I typically listen from start to finish, I don't really jump all over the place. I'll put playlists together on my Squeezebox, clearly that's a non-starter with vinyl. But with a classic album like Exile, I'm perfectly happy to drop the needle on side 1 and listen all the way through, and I do the same with cd versions. Not a swipe at you for doing this, just saying the way I listen.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited September 2012
    nspindel wrote: »
    I'm missing something. Didn't I read over and over that the remastered Exile on Main Street was to be avoided. I had read that the remaster was very compressed, typical loudness war stuff, etc. Is the SACD remaster a completely different animal?

    I am talking about the Japanese SACD F1 refers to in post 49. It is great.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2012
    But isn't that the sacd version of the same remaster?
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited September 2012
    nspindel wrote: »
    But isn't that the sacd version of the same remaster?

    I don't know. All I know is it sounds great. I had the LP when it was first released, and my setup was ok at the time, with an AR turntable, and a good Shure cartridge. Of course it has been many years, and my gear is much better now, but to my memory this SACD is much, much better than the LP.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2012
    Would be an interesting shoot out, Japanese LP vs. Japanese SACD....
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited October 2012
    So far, every Japanese SHM-SACD I have bought has been stellar.
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