It's about damn time...

steveinaz

Paddling brought back to Texas school district...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/15/AR2010041505964.html?g=0

...and (surprise, surprise) students are behaving far better. Well imagine that!

IMO, our schools will get nowhere until discipline, dress codes, and standards of conduct are brought back. We OBVIOUSLY can't rely on most parents to do any disciplining and/or manners teaching in the home--since that would require intestinal fortitude.

steveinaz

For those of you too young to have ever experienced a paddling in school---it's a humbling experience, and far more embarrassing than painful. I speak from first-hand knowledge.

Now, we just need Saturday detention brought back, nothing more painful than taking someones Saturday---

coolsax

I never had paddling when I was in school but I have done a saturday school.. that definitely sucked

jflail2

I'm torn on paddling at school. On the one hand, I think of my dad always telling me "if you get paddled at school, it will pale in comparison to the beating you will get when you come home." Definitely incentive to NOT get in trouble/ act up.

On the other hand I don't think I'd want anyone else disciplining my kids. Of course my kids would get the same speech that my dad gave me, so it wouldn't matter in the end....

steveinaz

...and if your kids don't want to be disciplined by "anyone else" perhaps they should behave? That's exactly why it's working so quickly in the district above. That stuff makes kids seriously uncomfortable---GOOD; especially a generation who knows nothing of school discipline of this nature. Whatever works, the ends justify the means.

I got the same speech as you, and when I got paddled at school, it was promptly followed-up by an **** whipping at home. Adults maintained a "United Front" so-to-speak.

Polkersince85

The football coach at our high school did the paddling for everybody. He gave you a choice of 10 licks or 3. We took the 10. I think some who took the 3 still have a hardtime sitting down.... after 40 years.

steveinaz

Discipline is not the enemy of enthusiasm---Principal Joe Clarke.

Truer words were never spoken.

hearingimpared

It's about time people got some sense in them to go grassroots again. I applaud that group of parents and the school district for their decision. I get sick to my stomach about "don't hurt little Johnny's feelings" even though he acting like a total moron over and over and over again. Screw this feelings ****. Hurt feelings when young, teaches youngster how to deal with the real world when they get into the workplace. A paddling is just that, hurt feelings and a little humiliation but we got over it and so will they.

Kex

I have no objection to the threat of a smack on the backside at home, but nobody is taking any paddle to any kid of mine, under threat of prosecution to the extremes that the law would allow (if the child came home traumatized from the experience, otherwise, a proper explanation face to face with the school might suffice). Even at home, when I do resort to a smack, it always feels like a failure to manage the preceding situation correctly, not a victory for discipline. Any school that needs to resort to a paddle for discipline has other issues that need to be dealt with, or skills that need to be learnt.

In any case, paddle or no paddle, if the parents aren't doing the right job at home, the child will have discipline problems, and a paddle in school isn't going to fix it. Let's bring back the Spanish Inquisition while we're at it and start teaching that the world might actually be flat after all.

I understand completely that others may have a different opinion, however, and as always, common sense can go a long way to keeping things on the right path.

F1nut

Bravo! Paddle away.

Grimster74

I'm all for it to a degree, when I was in elementary school we had it, never got in trouble or had to go to the office though. I had many a friends that got their asses busted though. My only fear is some dumb **** principal getting out of control and taking the paddling to far. Wouldn't be the first time I've been escorted out of a public place led by the police for doing something I didn't think was right. ER comes to mind when my daughter was only 8 months old and it took 7 of them to get me out of the ER. Needless to say they had to call in another doctor to prevent me from losing my cool. I'm one of the most laid back guys in the world until you hurt one of my kids or the wife. Anyways, as long as it's a controlled paddling, I'm all for it cause when the get home they are gonna get it again.

shack

A parent should "probably" have the right to paddle their own kid....BUT NO ONE ELSE. It only takes one time for some over zealous pricipal or teacher to do some serious physical damage to a child. In practice I really think that parents should avoid spanking...as they too can accidently do physical harm to a child...even if they don't mean to. Disipline your children...don't beat them. Other than a rare swat on the back of the legs of my girls, I never laid a hand on them. No one else was allowed to either. How can one tell their daughters that ANY physical agression to them should never be tolerated and then spank/paddle them? Ok for daddy...but not ok for the boyfriend? Definitely mixed messages.

They turned out ok having never been spanked....actually better than ok...

MacLeod

Ya gotta beat yo kids!

Tony M

MacLeod wrote: »

Ya gotta beat yo kids!

Another forum member posted this a while back and I saved it because it's good.:D

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat

Ron-P

steveinaz wrote: »

Paddling brought back to Texas school district...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/15/AR2010041505964.html?g=0

...and (surprise, surprise) students are behaving far better. Well imagine that!

IMO, our schools will get nowhere until discipline, dress codes, and standards of conduct are brought back. We OBVIOUSLY can't rely on most parents to do any disciplining and/or manners teaching in the home--since that would require intestinal fortitude.

Amen! Our schools need to do what parents don't, harsh discipline. Too many parents are too much into this PC **** world we live in and lack any type of parenting skills to teach their kids. Until the parents step up this world is headed into the ****.

exalted512

steveinaz wrote: »

far more embarrassing than painful.

pfft. Speak for yourself. We had our baseball coaches giving swats.

I'm all for the paddle, but at the same time I understand why some aren't. But, it also says that they consent the parents before doing so. You better believe if my kid acted up I'd let the principal knock some sense back into them. And just wait til they got home.

-Cody

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F1nut

They should bring back the cane. A couple of whacks with that and you'll do whatever it takes not to get another.

hearingimpared

BlueFox wrote: »

I went to Parochial school for grades 1-8. The nuns used to break pointers over our heads, along with the usual smacks and whacks. By and large, we generally behaved. After all, who wants a psycho nun after them?
This part of the story makes sense, so it isn't some out of control system run by sadists.

"...require parental consent before the punishment is given. Temple also requires the student's consent, Hancock said, and the punishment is considered equivalent to an out-of-school suspension."

Better to be beat than suspended.

LOL!!! Did you ever get pulled up out of chair by your little sideburns or the short hairs on the back of your neck. . . those nuns really knew how to apply pain. I still have scars on my hand from the edge of those thick heavy yardsticks and pointers.:eek::D

Funny story. The nuns we had wore those big cardboard things on their heads to go with their habits. One day a kid was going to get his hand samaried by the nun with one of those thick yard sticks. She wacks him once. She swings again with a big swosh through the air and the kid moves his hand. The yard stick hits her four hundred pound desk, breaks, a big pointy piece breaks off, flies straight up in the air and lands dead center stuck in the middle of the top of hear dress. This was third grade and they couldn't get us to stop laughing no matter what they threatened us with. It was absolutely priceless.

hearingimpared

F1nut wrote: »

They should bring back the cane. A couple of whacks with that and you'll do whatever it takes not to get another.

:eek::eek::eek:Just the sound the cane makes swoshing through the air makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.:eek:

greyford1979

Folks, this is what happens if you don't beat your kids.

bsturgeon89

Grimster74 wrote: »

I'm all for it to a degree, when I was in elementary school we had it, never got in trouble or had to go to the office though. I had many a friends that got their asses busted though. My only fear is some dumb **** principal getting out of control and taking the paddling to far. Wouldn't be the first time I've been escorted out of a public place led by the police for doing something I didn't think was right. ER comes to mind when my daughter was only 8 months old and it took 7 of them to get me out of the ER. Needless to say they had to call in another doctor to prevent me from losing my cool. I'm one of the most laid back guys in the world until you hurt one of my kids or the wife. Anyways, as long as it's a controlled paddling, I'm all for it cause when the get home they are gonna get it again.

I work in a hospital and albeit I don't know your story but you do honestly think that ER Doctors and personnel are there to intentionally HURT your kid or anyone for that matter? She was brought to the ER for a reason, if you aren't going to let people do their jobs then.....why come in the first place?

Get it all the time. People come in and they refuse treatment..xrays, bloodwork etc. Sometimes I just want to ask them. Then why in the hell are you here? But I can't.

Look, I get it. It is hard for some parents to watch their babies get worked on and treated and some can't handle it and lose their cool. People forget that we are just trying to do our jobs and that they were the ones that came to us and not the other way around. We just want to help. That is why we are here. I hope everything turned out ok.

Didn't mean to change the topic or highjack the thread. Now back to the original programming

John30_30

Big opinions, big talk.

I had a shop teacher who was also the baseball coach, who was a paddling **** as well as being an alky. Yeah, he drank in school, and liked to beat on kids.
A kid I'd known since 4th grade, his senior year, went up to that guy's house one night with a shotgun, rang the doorbell, and blew that man's head off.
No one was ever charged, although last I heard, Jimmy was in the state pen for some other crime.

Now that I recall, another kid named Bill Randolph tried to build a solid-body electric guitar in that shop class . He later dropped out to play rock 'n roll, and was bass player for some major bluesman like Howlin' Wolf for a while. Last I heard he was playing bass for some hard rock band that was big in the late 70's.


edit: Point Blank was the band. I googled around. Apparently he's dead, according to the website of a guy he played with.Steve

Kex

John30_30 wrote: »

... A kid I'd known since 4th grade, his senior year, went up to that guy's house one night with a shotgun, rang the doorbell, and blew that man's head off. ...

Now that I recall, another kid named Bill Randolph ... I googled around. Apparently he's dead, according to the website of a guy he played with. ...

Although alcohol probably will be blamed in this case for excessive use of the instrument, all that the paddle teaches kids is that adults with authority wield big weapons and dole out unfair punishment, so, adults with authority cannot be trusted to be fair. Kids will respect them LESS, in my opinion, not MORE, and if they ever get the chance to wield a bigger weapon of their own, they very well might use it against others since they were taught by school that such behavior was acceptable.

You may submit to the person wielding the weapon, but you don't respect them, no more than you would respect the guy holding a weapon to your head while you hand over your wallet. You're handing over your wallet because you see no other option at the time, not because you respect the person. You submit to the "rules" of the person with the paddle because they have an instrument of torture, not because you respect their opinion or authority.

Such methods don't really teach kids anything, except that domination by force is acceptable (see Shack's comment about boyfriends) because the punishment is simply administered. They have NOT learnt why they should not even WANT to do whatever it is they did to warrant the need for the reprimand, other than to avoid punishment, which does not equal comprehension of the justification of the sanction.

I still consider that resorting to such measures is an admission of failure, and schools need to be better than that. Or perhaps I'm completely misguided, and what we really need is to impose something akin to fundamentalist Shari'a law, that's nice and harsh from what I hear. No "****" P.C. attitudes there! If they steal, chop their hands off! That'll stop 'em.

On a lighter note: why is crime so low in Japan? Why can you loose your wallet on the subway in Tokyo, and pick it up in Lost and Found two days later with all your money, passport and credit cards untouched?

F1nut

I had a shop teacher who was also the baseball coach, who was a paddling **** as well as being an alky. Yeah, he drank in school, and liked to beat on kids.
A kid I'd known since 4th grade, his senior year, went up to that guy's house one night with a shotgun, rang the doorbell, and blew that man's head off.
No one was ever charged, although last I heard, Jimmy was in the state pen for some other crime.

Nothing says fail quite like blaming his shop teacher for his own shortcomings as a man.

hearingimpared

F1nut wrote: »

Nothing says fail quite like blaming his shop teacher for his own shortcomings as a man.

Yeah we had a few bozo teachers that shouldn't have been in the position but that doesn't mean the tactic being discussed here is moot because of them. You can't single out one bad teacher and say the whole philosphy is flawed because of that one teacher. There are bad people in all aspects of life.

Roy Munson

When I was in high school [middle and late 60,s] paddling was called swats. We had many gang members where I went to school and the thought of some teacher threatening one of the gang bangers with a swat is laughable. Hell, by the time the paddle came out they could be dead. lol You know, suicide by swat. lol

mdaudioguy

Kex wrote: »

Even at home, when I do resort to a smack, it always feels like a failure to manage the preceding situation correctly, not a victory for discipline.
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In any case, paddle or no paddle, if the parents aren't doing the right job at home, the child will have discipline problems, and a paddle in school isn't going to fix it.

I agree with you Kex - these two statements stuck with me. I only attempted to discipline my boys physically perhaps twice (once each). I walked away from it feeling that I was the one who had failed. Oh, there was and still is plenty of discipline in my house, but I realized that plain old talk and delivering a consistent message about what's right and what's wrong are highly effective tools. I also have tried my best to live my life as the example that I expect them to live to.

Yeah, I realize that the problem here is disinterested, lazy parents. Perhaps when the kids act up, the parents should be brought into school and paddled. :eek: Now there's a novel approach.

mdaudioguy

DSkip wrote: »

One thing I have learned through my experiences is that a great way to reach out to the youth is to show a genuine interest in their life and prove to them that you care about them. The "problem kids" in the schools never gave me issues like they did other staff members because they knew I cared and I treated them like they wanted to be treated. Then, in return, when I expected something of them, they knew it and would do what I expected because of the respect I gave them.

This has been my experience too, DSkip. Excellent post! It's amazing what the effect of showing a little respect and genuine concern can have.

steveinaz

No good parent likes to discipline in a physical manner, but there are some issues that call for it. You don't do it (or not do it) because of how it will make you feel---you do it for the benefit of the child. Only abusers "get off" on beating their child. I think I may have swatted my daughter on the backside ONCE---she didn't need to be spanked, just talked to, my son on the other hand, was a handful. He's now 25, and thanks me to this day for being hard on him--and every telephone call ends in "Love you Dad." FWIW, he's my step-son.

steveinaz

DSkip wrote: »

One thing I have learned through my experiences is that a great way to reach out to the youth is to show a genuine interest in their life and prove to them that you care about them. The "problem kids" in the schools never gave me issues like they did other staff members because they knew I cared and I treated them like they wanted to be treated. Then, in return, when I expected something of them, they knew it and would do what I expected because of the respect I gave them.

I agree whole heartedly, if you can appeal to kids, great. But there are some offenses for which dicussion isn't necessary or warranted. I won't discuss with a 6yr old, the downsides of throwing a tantrum in a store. I'll take him to the bathroom, warm up that butt--and pretty soon he'll catch on that this is not appropriate behavior.