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  • Alan_rAlan_r Posts: 162
    Didn’t get into the tonearm wire as I’m still collecting info within the various forums to get an idea of what to expect before starting.

    I did start to reassemble the plate that holds the lift arm cam. Pics attached.

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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,355
    edited May 28
    Looking complicated Alan... But pictures, like yours, tells a lot. ;) B) Above,below and middle...excellent! Thanks.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Alan_rAlan_r Posts: 162
    Tony M wrote: »
    Looking complicated Alan... But pictures, like yours, tells a lot. ;) B) Above,below and middle...excellent! Thanks.

    No worries. Glad it’s helpful. Apologize for not giving this 100% focus atm. Lots happening right now so I can’t focus on it like I want. But I’ll do a little everyday until completion.

  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,355
    I ordered the steel bushing lever yesterday or Sat.. So that part is being made for me now too. Thanks for the knowledge as to where to find one and what it was that's wrong with our TT's.

    How about the hydraulic manual lift mechanism. Does yours work?
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • msgmsg Posts: 4,037
    Coming together nicely, Alan. Enjoying the progress photos and write-up re: he obstacles and workarounds.

    I'll admit, earlier on I was looking at these parts photos like I might one of those home improvement channel shows I never could get into - not really seeing how it could work. But at this point now, I can appreciate the beauty of the assembly and design better. If this were me, I'd be spending a good bit of time going back and marveling at my work so far, just enjoying the process, even if it were a slow one.

    I need to take a page from your modus operandi here, and get going on some projects I've been putting off. Like installing the new silver-plated copper Furez locking RCAs I bought to replace some wonky connectors on my 1200. Especially considering I've already lopped off the old thinking it would force me to install the new I'm timely fashion. No. No, that did not work. B)
  • Alan_rAlan_r Posts: 162
    Tony M wrote: »
    I ordered the steel bushing lever yesterday or Sat.. So that part is being made for me now too. Thanks for the knowledge as to where to find one and what it was that's wrong with our TT's.

    How about the hydraulic manual lift mechanism. Does yours work?

    Honestly I don’t even know what that is yet. So I don’t know if it works or not. That table in the pictures has been on a shelf in the closet since the time I almost gave it to you. I’ve been working with the replacement arm assembly that cost almost as much as the table. I guess I’ll find out once I start putting things back together.

    To be completely forthcoming, I wrote this off when it arrived broken. Everything since has been an experiment to pass the time. I’m sure it will work in the end but if not......whatever. Given a do over I’d have just bought a Pioneer PLX1000 and called it a day. I received my first record six months ago yet the last time I heard a record playing in a home environment was in 1983.

    I’ve definitely dropped some coin on this experiment since then. If it works it works. If not...... remaining positive yet this whole experiment has been negative so far.

    Hopefully the “vinyl experience” will turn out worth it in the end. So far it’s just been expensive.

    Side note- that Marantz SA8005 is amazing. Same signature as the CD5001OSE but the focus and separation is on another level entirely. Money well spent.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,355
    edited May 30
    Sounds like your frustrated. :/


    1983...wow, and to have a perfect cond. TT arrive broken although the auto return mech. have all broken on most of these. I've been living with an auto-return for 15 years or more. It's a drag once in a while but I don't spin records as much as most guys and gals on here either.

    I wish you had gotten a full refund on that TT when you saw that weight section snapped off. That would've eased the pain of this endeavor greatly I believe.

    I feel for you. I have no idea how hard switching out tone arm wires are but it sounds like you have gotten upset over this repair job ( which it sounded like you were enjoying it up till the last post.) and wire upgrade. :#

    Since your working on the tonearm, the lift mechanism is on it's mounting base. It is that lever with the black finger grip end. I've heard those have suffered from age also, but can and have been repaired. I never researched its fix either. I would've tried to fix that before I even thought about the auto return fix. But I don't even know how hard it is if at all.

    I'm posting a picture off the web of a TT similar to ours but of course, it's a different model. It has the same lift lever though. You'll know it when you see it. It's in front of the Antiskate dial. :)
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    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • msgmsg Posts: 4,037
    Alan_r wrote: »
    Hopefully the “vinyl experience” will turn out worth it in the end. So far it’s just been expensive.
    This part doesn't change.
  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 249
    Wow a simple exploration into Vinyl is looking interesting.
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,355
    mpitogo wrote: »
    Wow a simple exploration into Vinyl is looking interesting.

    It hasn't been simple "this time around" for Alan.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Alan_rAlan_r Posts: 162
    edited May 31
    Tony M wrote: »
    Sounds like your frustrated. :/


    1983...wow, and to have a perfect cond. TT arrive broken although the auto return mech. have all broken on most of these. I've been living with an auto-return for 15 years or more. It's a drag once in a while but I don't spin records as much as most guys and gals on here either.

    I wish you had gotten a full refund on that TT when you saw that weight section snapped off. That would've eased the pain of this endeavor greatly I believe.

    I feel for you. I have no idea how hard switching out tone arm wires are but it sounds like you have gotten upset over this repair job ( which it sounded like you were enjoying it up till the last post.) and wire upgrade. :#

    Since your working on the tonearm, the lift mechanism is on it's mounting base. It is that lever with the black finger grip end. I've heard those have suffered from age also, but can and have been repaired. I never researched its fix either. I would've tried to fix that before I even thought about the auto return fix. But I don't even know how hard it is if at all.

    I'm posting a picture off the web of a TT similar to ours but of course, it's a different model. It has the same lift lever though. You'll know it when you see it. It's in front of the Antiskate dial. :)
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    Not frustrated just the experience has lost its shine so to speak. It’s kind of like the difference between buying an old but functional sailboat and a total project boat, one allows you to use it while you’re restoring it, the other does not. I have first hand experience with this and over years and dollars spent it’s hard to remain enthusiastic with no reward. This turntable path has felt similar, albeit on a much smaller scale. It’ll get there but every time there is a setback I have to ask myself “why am I doing this?”

    This project does not have too much more room for setbacks before it doesn’t make sense to continue on the same path. We’ll see. Just had to step back for a few days.

    EDIT- setbacks= seized aluminum screws in a 40 year old tonearm.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,467
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    Alan_r wrote: »
    EDIT- setbacks= seized aluminum screws in a 40 year old tonearm.

    Got Dayens?
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,355
    I've had plenty of experience with friken aluminum screws. Storm doors and storm windows removal have been a bain for me over the years too. One out of 10 gets stripped trying to remove them.

    I wish you could've fixed that tonearm with epoxy and kind of guessed what the tracking weight was and got to hear some records before diving into what you have. I applaud your skills and research abilities!

    We're your screws stripped putting them back in or removing them?
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Alan_rAlan_r Posts: 162
    Tony M wrote: »
    I've had plenty of experience with friken aluminum screws. Storm doors and storm windows removal have been a bain for me over the years too. One out of 10 gets stripped trying to remove them.

    I wish you could've fixed that tonearm with epoxy and kind of guessed what the tracking weight was and got to hear some records before diving into what you have. I applaud your skills and research abilities!

    We're your screws stripped putting them back in or removing them?

    They were the screws that hold the “connector” into the end of the arm where the head shell goes. This was on that very expensive replacement arm assembly I had shipped from Japan. It wasn’t age, it was someone during it’s 40 years of life using the wrong screwdriver. Can’t believe I missed this when I bought it. Not that there were a bunch for sale though so I guess I had no choice.

    On any normal day a simple drill and tap would have caused no fuss. It just seems to be one thing after another with this project.

    Hopefully this post puts to rest any notion of giving up. I was simply venting further frustration; in the spirit of documenting this project, the good and the bad.

    To you guys following this you’ve got to admit this has been way more challenging than it should have been. Go back and read my opening posts in this thread. I just wanted to play with some records. Now I’m almost $900 in and I still haven’t even heard one. Lol

    This frustration was not without its own revelation though. Sometimes I think I need to write this myself as a reminder of what’s important. I’ll refrain from using the word “we” but I’m quite sure everyone can relate here.

    Oftentimes “I” spend so much time tweaking, tinkering, dreaming, adjusting and upgrading my equipment that “I” lose sight of why I’m doing this in the first place.

    To simply listen to and enjoy beautiful works of music. As I’ve said before, my passion is music, my hobby is how I listen to it. I needed to remind myself of that again this weekend. So I put all my projects away, turned down the lights and listened to a few Grieg albums along with some of my favorite Chopin. To my ears it’s sounded amazing (thanks SA8005!) and I experienced the heart pounding rushes and the dreamy lulls within these masterpieces. This all led to a Envico Einaudi marathon that fully brought me back to where I needed to be.

    The work on the turntable will begin again tomorrow.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,355
    edited June 2
    This is so Nice. I think I've heard this in a movie or two. May a silent one too.

    I KNOW I've heard this a lot in my life! Very nice!

    This is sooo relaxing and moving too. I can see it making you forget the stress of the TT rebuild. ;)

    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,467
    edited June 2
    @Alan_r glad to hear that you are enjoying your very nice Marantz player :)
    Got Dayens?
  • Alan_rAlan_r Posts: 162
    Tony M wrote: »
    This is so Nice. I think I've heard this in a movie or two. May a silent one too.

    I KNOW I've heard this a lot in my life! Very nice!

    This is sooo relaxing and moving too. I can see it making you forget the stress of the TT rebuild. ;)

    “Stress of rebuilding” lol. If that was all, my life would be grand my friend. :)

    The setbacks were so devastating because of the time crunch I’m in. Every day spent trying to make it work was one less day I’d spend listening to it.

    And.......I am out of time.

    A stroke of good luck combined with a push from Mrs. Fate will have me (fingers crossed) living on my mattress in front of my main system in the next few days. The main system will be the last of my things to go. I thought I had six more months but the opportunity to get rid of everything in my house in one swoop is far to great a gift to turn down. You’d be surprised how hard it is to give things away.

    At this point I think the decision has been made to sell all my gear instead of storing it. I don’t know if I’m ever coming back this way; hell, I don’t even know what country I’ll be living in when I do come back so it makes sense to just start over if and when I do settle down again.

    So...the priority now is to ripp all my CD’s to my laptop and start preparing for my “audio” to be mobile.

    As far as the 1400, it is untouched since the day I received it. The replacement tonearm assembly has the new part installed but that’s as far as it will get. My shop is now in boxes along with the tools. Not sure what I’ll do with all that stuff but I’m sure something will come up.

    Hopefully the pictures I posted were enough to help when you guys work on yours. It’s not difficult if you take your time.

    I do find the irony of the fact I still haven’t heard a record pretty funny. Perhaps I’ll finish this thing in someone else’s shop but things are beginning to move very quickly around me now so I’m not sure. At some point I may just have to figure out how to get rid of it.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,467
    Holy cow, sounds like you are about to go through some big changes! Best of luck with everything that's coming your way.

    Hope you stick around and update us, that is, if it doesn't violate the secrecy of your undercover agent status.
    Alan_r wrote: »
    I don’t know if I’m ever coming back this way; hell, I don’t even know what country I’ll be living in when I do come back so it makes sense to just start over if and when I do settle down again.

    Got Dayens?
  • Alan_rAlan_r Posts: 162
    edited June 18
    Clipdat wrote: »
    @Alan_r glad to hear that you are enjoying your very nice Marantz player :)

    It has been really nice. That law of diminishing returns is getting very, very close at this level.

    TBH I really wanted this vinyl thing to work. I spent a lot of money to buy a pristine example of a quality record player. When it arrived broken I had a strange feeling this would end up failing. But I ignored my intuition and gave it a shot. Things just kept happening in my world that would sidetrack me. Combined with one major setback after another it just won’t come together.

    This is actually a good thing in the big picture. Need to start seriously looking into audiophile headphones and headphone amps that can run on 12v, or maybe use an invertor.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,355
    These posts were a shocker but I'm glad you posted. I was beginning to worry again.

    I wish you great and safe travels / safe sailing on the next chapter of your life.

    Thanks for showing me where to order the part I did and to tell me the operation could possibly be done on my coffee table. ;) B)

    I'll have a look and see for myself someday just how complicated it looks underneath this TT.

    Thanks for the ride, Alan. B)

    Tony
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Alan_rAlan_r Posts: 162
    Tony M wrote: »
    These posts were a shocker but I'm glad you posted. I was beginning to worry again.

    I wish you great and safe travels / safe sailing on the next chapter of your life.

    Thanks for showing me where to order the part I did and to tell me the operation could possibly be done on my coffee table. ;) B)

    I'll have a look and see for myself someday just how complicated it looks underneath this TT.

    Thanks for the ride, Alan. B)

    Tony

    No problem bud and thanks. I was really pushing after the tone arm screws turned out to be seized; ultimately stripped. I did manage to replace them and am/was ready to start fishing the old tonearm wires through. I just ran out of time and I need to focus on getting rid of everything else that’s here.

    Interesting story involving fate. I’ve been struggling trying to give away/sell/donate an entire 2000sq’ house full of “stuff”. So one morning I leave early to get a haircut at a place I usually go. 1030am and the waiting room is full. Drive 30 minutes to another random shop. Park only to be yelled at by an old lady stating that the parking spot is reserved. Get back in my Jeep, move one spot over and get out again. Walk into the shop only to be told “appointments only today”. Frustrated, get back in the Jeep and sproceed to drive around for an hour. Happen to remember a shop I used to go to years ago. Snap decision to park and go in; at the exact moment I walk in a girl is standing at the counter who id known years ago. Five minutes in her chair and I find out she just divorced, has two young kids and moved into a small apartment but has no furniture or anything. Kids sleeping on the floor.......well.....I have an entire household I’m trying to give away....A minute earlier or later and she may have had a different customer and the conversation wouldn’t have taken place. So two issues solved at once, she gets help and I get free of this stuff. She has no idea I’m actually the one being saved here. So my time frame accelerated by five months or so. All projects ceasefire and priority goes to liquidation of everything remaining.

    I’m presented with a rare opportunity here and firmly believe that one’s life is measured not by what you own in the end but by the experiences and people you’ve met.

    I really dislike not finishing things I start but once all my furniture is gone I really need to start moving on here. Had I known what was about to happen I wouldn’t have bought an damn $1000 CD player. Lol. Someone somehwhere is going to get a fire sale deal.
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