Noise theory...Internal SSD, USB HD, or DNLA

I was reading on another forum that someone thought that an internal HD in an Auralic Airies Mini would be the noisiest of the above for playback of digital files. I just figured that the internal SSD would be the best. What do yall think would be best in theory and why? Also, do you think an SSD is superior to a spinny HD in general? I want to get a big SSD but if the other methods are supposed to be better I could save some bucks.
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  • machonemachone Posts: 804
    Moving parts = noise
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,806
    Are you asking about ambient, "environmental" noise caused by the hardware, or noise riding on the signal from the data recovery process, or RFI from the whole shebang that may be influencing your audio chain "inductively", so to speak?

    In any case, I don't know the answer to your question, but there are so many different kinds of 'noise'.

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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 3,346
    @mhardy6647 The post said that an internal would introduce more noise than an external drive or DNLA. I did figure that SSD would be better because there are no moving parts but more so wondered about DNLA. That cost me nothing to use but I thought it had even more potential to introduce noise.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,806
    mmm -- I still don't know what kind of noise you're worrying about.
    I should just stay away from any digital discussion! :/
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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 12,187
    All this discussion does not matter one bit if your room and system noise floor isn't at a certain level.

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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 574
    This brings up a thought I've had the past few days... 1s and 0s... Aside from bit errors, there is no noise or color or any other esoteric sensation that can be imparted into a 1 or 0 (on and off). So goes the big question of the day: how can a cable between a digital source and a digital receiver change the sound? Especially Toslink (optical) cables...
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 3,346
    FestYboy wrote: »
    This brings up a thought I've had the past few days... 1s and 0s... Aside from bit errors, there is no noise or color or any other esoteric sensation that can be imparted into a 1 or 0 (on and off). So goes the big question of the day: how can a cable between a digital source and a digital receiver change the sound? Especially Toslink (optical) cables...

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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 8,150
    edited August 12
    FestYboy wrote: »
    This brings up a thought I've had the past few days... 1s and 0s... Aside from bit errors, there is no noise or color or any other esoteric sensation that can be imparted into a 1 or 0 (on and off). So goes the big question of the day: how can a cable between a digital source and a digital receiver change the sound? Especially Toslink (optical) cables...

    TOSLINK is the worst conversion for jitter

    There are power supplies for these conversion that cause noise....not all about 1's and 0's
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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 574
    edited August 12
    Lol yeah, how can you tell?

    Seriously though, as I stated above, bit errors aside, you cannot make a 1 or a 0 sound any differently than it is. A 1 transmitted over a digital line will always = 1, not ∆, and 0 = 0, not ß. So unless there's something interjecting carp from outside... Now once the signal goes analog, that's a different can of worms.

    And I say especially Toslink, because there's no possible EMI interference with that connection. Light doesn't work that way... And the bandwidth capacity of optical is far greater than any audio source out today.
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 8,150
    FestYboy wrote: »
    Lol yeah, how can you tell?

    Now once the signal goes analog, that's a different can of worms.

    And that is the problem with Toslink

    Basic home AVR spread the music stuff...OK

    Real 2 channel....pffft :/



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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,307
    The whole issue is the interface where data is turned into 1 and 0, and then into analog.

    Some argue that an Ethernet cable can't affect the sound since it only carries 1 and 0. However, an Ethernet cable carries an analog signal that represents 1 and 0. The cable can degrade that signal, and jitter can be introduced as the receiver turns that analog signal back into 1 and 0. The CRC might be correct, but jitter is now there.

    The point is, with music, everything can affect the sound.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,422
    The file is the file but the signal can introduce noise.

    An internal SSD will introduce less noise than an external due to the USB cable. I'm not sure how it compares to streaming.
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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 574
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    FestYboy wrote: »
    This brings up a thought I've had the past few days... 1s and 0s... Aside from bit errors, there is no noise or color or any other esoteric sensation that can be imparted into a 1 or 0 (on and off). So goes the big question of the day: how can a cable between a digital source and a digital receiver change the sound? Especially Toslink (optical) cables...

    TOSLINK is the worst conversion for jitter

    There are power supplies for these conversion that cause noise....not all about 1's and 0's

    Oh, then the noise is already in the signal path... Even before the cable. But what makes it so bad as compared to say USB or other copper based connection?
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 7,485
    edited August 12
    FestYboy wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    FestYboy wrote: »
    This brings up a thought I've had the past few days... 1s and 0s... Aside from bit errors, there is no noise or color or any other esoteric sensation that can be imparted into a 1 or 0 (on and off). So goes the big question of the day: how can a cable between a digital source and a digital receiver change the sound? Especially Toslink (optical) cables...

    TOSLINK is the worst conversion for jitter

    There are power supplies for these conversion that cause noise....not all about 1's and 0's

    Oh, then the noise is already in the signal path... Even before the cable. But what makes it so bad as compared to say USB or other copper based connection?

    Not all toslink cables are the same many variables with ends and the fiber part itself. Glass is best but many are now plastic instead. You are new here many years ago some very brilliant minds with very powerful equipment to measure proved 1's and 0's can indeed be different. Jitter is just one the way the packets are sent is another.
    It's not just ones and zeros. The dac conversion is another or all CD players would sound the same right CD's are just ones and zeros. Usb cables also need power some better cables are now putting the power leg in a seperate cable outside the ons and zero cable to keep the ones and zeros from being corrupted.
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,527
    edited August 12
    Fiber can handle huge bandwidths, but there are issues with common "TOSLINK".

    Even if you don't buy time delay as light entering multimode fiber can take different paths, the use of cheap optical converters can add noise and errors the dac must deal with.

    Regarding HD noise, my Sonore music server uses a SOtM SATA Ripple & RF noise filter. My server is fanless and I don't hear any noise from my server or with my digital music. A 6TB SSD drive would be cost prohibitive for me at this time so I use a WD Red 6TB NAS drive.

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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 3,346
    I was thinking that streaming a signal over the air opens up all kinds of possibilities to the introduction of noise. But I don't have to buy anything to use that option, I think.
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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 574
    I would agree, it's rather difficult to transmit a square wave through the air, and unless you're surrounded by a Faraday cage, your wireless signal isn't the only one floating around.
  • K_MK_M Posts: 933
    afterburnt wrote: »
    I was thinking that streaming a signal over the air opens up all kinds of possibilities to the introduction of noise. But I don't have to buy anything to use that option, I think.

    Streaming meaning "Digital internet music", or something else?

    Over the air meaning....antenna to antenna?
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,422
    I think physical connections are more troublesome than wireless as long as the file can be sent in its entirety. With a physical connection there is always the potential for noise to be introduced by the cable.
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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,456
    FestYboy wrote: »
    This brings up a thought I've had the past few days... 1s and 0s... Aside from bit errors, there is no noise or color or any other esoteric sensation that can be imparted into a 1 or 0 (on and off). So goes the big question of the day: how can a cable between a digital source and a digital receiver change the sound? Especially Toslink (optical) cables...

    Do a search, this has been debated ad nauseum too many times. No need to rehash this subject when the debates are already clearly in the archives.

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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 574
    @DSkip I wonder if there's been a study on the insertion of "noise" via wireless transmission vs that of a well insulated physical connection... And to wit, how much variation between the two.

    I know there would be significant variation between transmission and reception equipment on their own as far as noise insertion, so I would surmise that the measurement of the amount of noise inserted between the the transmitter and receiver would be difficult as best.
  • 98Badger98Badger Posts: 281
    Back to the original post: I'm no expert, but it has been my experience that DLNA gives the "cleanest" sound (least electrical noise). YMMV. I don't think I will ever go back to any usb or hdmi implementation for music. I originally experimented with DLNA using a Marantz 8801 as a renderer and JRiver as the server program. I noticed an immediate improvement in clarity. Here's the kicker; JRiver was transcoding the files to high bitrate mp3. Sound improved even more after I found the error and set JRiver to stream wav. Currently using a Sonore Signature Rendu, but had a good experience with SoTM as well.
  • billbillwbillbillw Posts: 5,655
    DLNA. I don't see how an NAS in a separate room through the Wireless access point, over AC wireless would add a spec of noise to the output. Its a stream of 1s and 0s with error correction until it gets to the DAC section. Any noise injected would be after/through the DAC portion of the signal path.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,307
    At this point with digital music there are still a lot of unknowns in what affects the final sound. For example, I use a direct attached USB drive to my music server. After I ran out of room on a Toshiba 500GB drive, I copied every thing over to a Toshiba 1000GB hard drive. The 1TB drive sounded better than the 500GB drive. LOL.

    Was it the drive? Was it the cable that comes with the drive? Was it both together? I certainly wasn't expecting that result, so I doubt if it was imaginary.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,422
    BlueFox wrote: »
    At this point with digital music there are still a lot of unknowns in what affects the final sound. For example, I use a direct attached USB drive to my music server. After I ran out of room on a Toshiba 500GB drive, I copied every thing over to a Toshiba 1000GB hard drive. The 1TB drive sounded better than the 500GB drive. LOL.

    Was it the drive? Was it the cable that comes with the drive? Was it both together? I certainly wasn't expecting that result, so I doubt if it was imaginary.

    I think its perception more than anything. As DK has stated repeatedly about digital, it is a simplified analog signal. If one can view this digital end as a chain of analog devices, it becomes much clearer why EVERYTHING in the chain matters, even the streamer and the cables that are used with it. I think most focus on the file itself and not the chain of components.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,489
    DSkip wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    At this point with digital music there are still a lot of unknowns in what affects the final sound. For example, I use a direct attached USB drive to my music server. After I ran out of room on a Toshiba 500GB drive, I copied every thing over to a Toshiba 1000GB hard drive. The 1TB drive sounded better than the 500GB drive. LOL.

    Was it the drive? Was it the cable that comes with the drive? Was it both together? I certainly wasn't expecting that result, so I doubt if it was imaginary.

    I think its perception more than anything. As DK has stated repeatedly about digital, it is a simplified analog signal. If one can view this digital end as a chain of analog devices, it becomes much clearer why EVERYTHING in the chain matters, even the streamer and the cables that are used with it. I think most focus on the file itself and not the chain of components.

    Bingo Skip, most like to think of digital as a collection of 1's and 0's. Soo much more to it than that.
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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 3,346
    DNLA uses an antenna therefore no shielding. Is it then not subjecject to picking up any and all background noise such as: EMI, Gamma rays, pigeon scat or flatulence?
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    Head gear: Sennheiser HD 558*Audio-Technica ATH-M40x*Sennheiser HD 598 Cs*Audio-Technica ATH-MSR7*Philips SHP9500S*

    Hello Kitty boombox

    Spares: Yamaha RX-A1040*Emotiva XPA-1L Gen2 X2*Emotiva XPA-3 Gen2*CSiA6 Center*Monitor40 Series II*SVS PB1000 Sub*Sony BDPS6500 Blu-ray player*POS 37" LCD*Douglas Connection Furez 12 AWG 2 Conductor*Blue Jeans Cable LC-1's IC's*


    Self Control is over rated.
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,108
    edited August 17
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Also, do you think an SSD is superior to a spinny HD in general?

    It depends on a variety of factors, such as:

    1. The mechanical damping in the disk drive.
    2. The electrical noise characteristics of the SSD or HD controller (very important).
    3. The storage topology of the SSD, (2D vs. 3D) and size of the SSD's memory cells. The smaller the cell size, the greater the potential for increase in electrical noise.
    4. Speed, size, number of platters in the HD.

    With my Bryston BDP-2 digital player, I went from an internal Samsung SSD to an external HD because music from the HD sounded better.

    Reference:

    http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/176485/the-sound-of-hard-drive-enclosures/p1
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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 3,346
    @DarqueKnight where do I find all of these numbers?
    Parlor: Yamaha RX-A2030*Parasound Halo P5*Parasound Halo A-31*Parasound 2250v2*Emotiva XPA-200 Gen1*LSiM707 Fronts*LSiM706c Center*LSiM702f/x Surrounds*Monitor70 Series II Rears*Monitor40 Series II Presence*SVS PB2000 Sub X2*OPPO BDP-103D*Sony PS3*Samsung BD-H5900 3D Blu-Ray*Samsung-55" LED 1080p Smart 3D HDTV UN55H7150AFXZA*TEAC TN-300*Wireworld Solstice cables*Blue Jeans Cable LC-1's IC's*

    Dungeon: Auralic Aries Mini*Dayens Ampino Preamp*Dayens Ampino Monoblocks*Usher N-6361*Wireworld Oasis cables*Wireworld Oasis IC's*IFI nano IDSD* Cambridge CXU*

    Panamax MR5100*Panamax M8-AV-PRO*Furman PST-2+6

    Head gear: Sennheiser HD 558*Audio-Technica ATH-M40x*Sennheiser HD 598 Cs*Audio-Technica ATH-MSR7*Philips SHP9500S*

    Hello Kitty boombox

    Spares: Yamaha RX-A1040*Emotiva XPA-1L Gen2 X2*Emotiva XPA-3 Gen2*CSiA6 Center*Monitor40 Series II*SVS PB1000 Sub*Sony BDPS6500 Blu-ray player*POS 37" LCD*Douglas Connection Furez 12 AWG 2 Conductor*Blue Jeans Cable LC-1's IC's*


    Self Control is over rated.
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