Better SACD Ripping - With Oppo

DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,122
edited December 2016 in Going Digital
Back in 2014 I spoke of acquiring a Sony Playstation 3 that had been modified to rip dsf format DSD files from SACD discs in order to load them in my digital music player. I have totally moved away from disc-based music playback. The PS3 has performed flawlessly for the two years I have owned it. However, older PS3s are not known for their robustness, longevity, and reliability, especially under heavy gaming use. My PS3 has been and always will be used sparingly, to rip my small SACD collection and the few SACD titles I buy each year, therefore I might never have a breakdown. Still, I wasn't entirely confident in the PS3's longevity, especially with its propensity for running hot and thermal shutdowns (during long gaming sessions).

I recently started looking for another PS3 to have as a backup unit because I can't be caught without SACD ripping capability. The four older PS3 models that can be modified for SACD ripping are long discontinued and are increasingly difficult to find. Once the SACD-ripping hack became more widely known, audiophiles began snapping them up.

During the course of my search, I came across a thread on the Computer Audiophile forum which discussed certain models of Oppo, Pioneer, and Cambridge Audio that could be hacked to allow SACD ripping.

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/sacd-ripping-using-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true-29251/

I concentrated on finding an Oppo BDP-103 (MSRP $499). This model was in the middle of the pack with regard to price and build quality. I found a mint condition unit being offered by a seller at a fair price on another forum.

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Figure 1. The PS3 has served well, but it has been relegated to backup duty in the unlikely event the Oppo BDP-103 breaks down.

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Figure 2. I was very impressed with the BDP-103's build quality and feature set.

The BDP-103 has a very good reputation for performance and reliability, therefore, considering it will only be used for occasional SACD ripping, and considering it has seen little use by its previous owner, it should outlast me.

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Figure 3. Peek inside. Good layout and solid build.

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Figure 4. The BDP-103 is packed in a heavily padded box and, rather than the usual plastic bag, is placed inside a canvas carrying bag. Nice touch.

Ripping is done with Sonore's free ISO2DSD software. The only difference between the PS3 process and the 103 process is that the 103 must be "reset" for ripping by inserting a USB stick containing a folder with three autoscript files. The rest of the process is the same using the ISO2DSD software.

DSD files ripped from SACDs on the BDP-103 are identical in size and sound to those ripped with the PS3.



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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 8,343
    Nice, I kept my son's original PS3, but still have not tried the ripping process. I do have a nice selection of SACD's

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  • Have you verified that your son's PS3 is one of the four models that play SACDs? Also, for the hack to work, the firmware has to be version 3.55 or lower. Higher firmware versions cannot be rolled back.

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    Table taken from:

    http://ps3sacd.com/faq.html#_Toc180147566

    Instructions for the PS3 software modifications required for SACD ripping can be found here:

    https://newtoolbox.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/sacd-ripper-primer-v4-0.pdf

    I bought my PS3 pre-modified, so I didn't have to hack mine.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 8,343
    Oh yes it's one of the originals, I later bought another PS3 (smaller version) to play Tigerwoods, but quit using it and gave it to him and stored his old one to do the SACD ripping.
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures, Simaudio 780D DAC
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Modwright LS100, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 6,948
    DK, I'd be interested to hear what you think of the BDP-103 via analog outs on your main rig if you have the time or inclination.
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  • That would be an interesting trial. I did compare the BDP-103's audio and video quality to the Sony BDP-S2000ES in my home office and the Sony was better, but it should have been at nearly 2.5X the price.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • polrbehrpolrbehr Posts: 1,993
    I am finding out there is quite a bit the BDP-103 can do, and do well.

    Another nice (informative) write-up, DK. I will be watching and waiting to see when/if
    you give the Oppo the Dynamat treatment... ;)
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 3,748
    The ripped files, does your streamer recognize them as is? Like myself using jriver or eventually I might go with an Aries, do you need to do anything with the files to have your device recognize it as a dsd file?
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    USB helpers: Intona, w4s Recovery

    HT: Elite SC27, Full Polk RTI setup.

  • No further processing is required after ripping. The ripped DSD files are playable by JRiver directly from my computer's hard drive and are playable by my digital music player.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 3,748
    Nice!!
    Lumin D1, KEF LS50 Wireless, Cayin scd-50T, LH Labs VI Dac, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9, HP I7 Laptop, Wireworld Eclipse 7, Wireworld Aurora, Wireworld Electra 7, Signal Magic Digital, Cardas Quadralink 5C, Velodyne SPL1200
    USB helpers: Intona, w4s Recovery

    HT: Elite SC27, Full Polk RTI setup.

  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 13,318
    So if the 103 will work I wonder about the 105, I have two of them..
    Death Grip...
  • Yes, the 103, 105, 103D, and 105D all work for SACD ripping.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,338
    Nice. I just ordered the Oppo 203, and planned on using the 103 as a spare. Since I have a ton of SACDs, Classical and Rock, that I never play anymore I will give this ripping a try. Thanks.
    Bud

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  • another Nice write-up DK!
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,860
    I love my BDP-103 as my "universal" transport into my Benchmark DAC2. I run a USB hard drive into it with my flac files.
    Source: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD | Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2L | Power Amp: Parasound HCA-1500A | Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 | Cables: Kimber Hero/8TC; DH Labs D-75 | AC Power: Panamax M5300-PM
  • Two questions
    1. Do the older OPPO models (the BD83 for example) work?
    2. Does the reset affect anything in the normal operation of the player? My 105 already has a lot of third party audiophile mods that i would not want to upset.

    Thanks
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,122
    juanjojuan wrote: »
    Two questions
    1. Do the older OPPO models (the BD83 for example) work?

    No. The BDP-83 uses an older Mediatek chipset. Only players that use either the Mediatek MT8580 or MT8560 chipsets can be used for SACD ripping.
    juanjojuan wrote: »
    2. Does the reset affect anything in the normal operation of the player? My 105 already has a lot of third party audiophile mods that i would not want to upset.

    Thanks

    No.

    Both of your questions are discussed extensively in the Computer Audiophile forum thread I linked to in the original post.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • Many thanks, sorry for not spotting the link.
  • haimochaimoc Posts: 982
    Start ripping with ISO2DSD and have a question about what to select for channel mode. I assume "Dual" for SACD Stereo layer and "Multi" for SACD multi-channel layer. Am I correct?
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,122
    Correct.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • haimochaimoc Posts: 982
    Thanks. Dsf file size difference between 2 modes is very obvious.

    For example: track.. PETER WHITE - Chasing The Dawn.dsf
    (dual 223,545 KB vs multi 670,633 KB).
  • haimochaimoc Posts: 982
    edited July 4
    So far so good with Oppo 103 (bought it used for $250.00).. I don't need to ""reset for ripping".. Just keep feeding Oppo with new SACD and execute on ISO2DSD.
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,122
    Thanks for mentioning Peter White's "Glow" album. It is one of my favorite guitar CDs. I didn't know there was an SACD version. I ordered a copy yesterday. :)
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • haimochaimoc Posts: 982
    Yes, this album is one of my favorite SACDs. I like both stereo and multi-channel from this recording. I hope you'd like it, too.
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,122
    I am using the BDP-103 to output multichannel DSD via HDMI to the Yamaha CX-A5100 pre/pro. I was disappointed to find that the 103 does not have a web-based control interface. I don't like having to turn on the TV to navigate menus when I only want to play music. I have the Oppo's control app on my cell phone, but it is cumbersome to use.

    Oppo told me others have requested web-based control interfaces for their universal players, but they don't know when, if ever, they will offer this capability in a future firmware release.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,122
    I found an Android emulator, BlueStacks, that allows running some Android apps on a Windows PC. This emulator allows me to run the Oppo control app from the docked tablet computer that controls my home theater system. As you can see, the graphical user interface does not fill up the screen because it was written for tiny mobile phone screens.

    Basic mode is free, paid mode (ad free) is $3.33 a month. I have not experienced any ads popping up while running the Oppo app. There were no installation or other issues with either my tablet computers or my desktop computers.

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    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 2,071
    I need to start ripping some SACD's with my Oppo 103...

    As for the web based controls, that is an issue with the 103. They did address it with the 20X series players though. I find the new app to work great.
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