The first time you heard a "real" subwoofer after owning an entry-level sub

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  • WillowWillow Posts: 8,752
    Yesterday when playing a bass test disk my ears popped like riding an elevator very fast. First time I've ever experienced that.
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  • IrrenhausIrrenhaus Posts: 696
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    That Rythmik Audio F25 sub is a total beast ! What size room do you have it in,lol?

    Is about 13X19 with 8ft ceilings.
    AVR-Onkyo709
    AMP- Parasound 2125, Adcom 585
    Mains for HT and some Music- RTi12s
    Main for Music only- Linn Keilidh or Usher V-601 and SDA 1C
    PreAmp for Music: Cary AE-3
    Rear- RT150
    Center-CSi5
    Sub-Rythmik audio F25
    Player- Oppo BDP-103


    Bedroom rig:
    Pionner Elite VSX-30...Onkyo CS-5VL SACD Player....Polk Audio LS70
  • Polkie2009Polkie2009 Posts: 3,836
    Oh yea, that baby is hitting hard! ;)
  • jb5200jb5200 Posts: 10
    I have owned and heard a lot of different subs - JL Fathom 112, SVS SB13 Ultra, Klipsch Reference, Velodyne are some of the more known subs. Nothing even comes close to a DIY sub. One of the best subs on the planet in my opinion is the TC Sounds LMS 5400 Ultra, however they are extremely expensive and heavy (90lbs just for the driver).

    I went from the SVS to the TC and SVS was not even in the same league - it was so boomy, muddy, bloated, etc. to the TC and the harder you drove the TC the more it laughed at you!

    If you go to the Data-Bass website you can compare the driver specs and very few subs will best it and if they do they cost a minimum of 4x the price, such as the Paradigm listed above.

    The people that win car audio shows use TC Sounds. Unfortunately TC just went out of business but you can sometimes find them here and there for sale!
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,763
    Can't comment on the TC, but boomy,muddy, bloated are not words I'd use to describe the SVS....or any of the other subs you mentioned.
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    Cary Xciter dac
    Joule LA-100
    Pioneer BDP 320
    Sony 4k 55 850c
    FX 500 surround
    Acoustic zen Satori SC's
    Pioneer elite vsx21
    Sonos-Cullen mod.
    Audio Metallurgy GA-0 digital
    PS Audio Quintet
    Analysis Plus crystal ovals
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  • Polkie2009Polkie2009 Posts: 3,836
    jb5200, I got TC Sounds confused with TC Electronics . Used to see some of the TCE gear in recording studios, exceptional quality gear. What happened to TC Sound?
  • adabroadabro Posts: 183
    I went from a PSW12 to an SVS pb10-nsd - money well spent....
  • westmassguywestmassguy Posts: 5,793
    edited November 2015
    I went from two mid-fi 12" Sonys, to the SVS PB-2+. The Sonys have usable output down to about 22Hz. The PB-2+ ports are set for 16Hz. After calibrating everything, my Sister and I were watching a movie, I forget which one, and she asked me why the floor was moving. I had smile from ear to ear. I knew the SVS would kick butt for the LFE channel, but I was also amazed how it augmented certain tracks when I have the system in two channel mode.
    The Sonys are still flanking my 2As. I plan on connecting them to the center channel pre-out.
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  • Maybe one of these days I'll experience a "real" subwoofer in my theater room. For now I'll have to settle with 8 feet worth of sealed 18's topped with 300 pounds of granite. Not quite done yet.

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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 2,046
    Wow Metro that's an ambitious project you got there. Good luck and post more as you go along.
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  • seabeerob213seabeerob213 Posts: 1,737
    edited December 2015
    Went from a little Phillips Magnavox computer speaker sub, to a psw 110, to and rbh 1010 sep, and the Polk was great while it lived, but the 1010 is just awesome.musical, digs deep, just sounds awesome with my monitors
    HT/2channel:
    AVR: Yamaha RX-V 765
    Fronts: Polk RTiA3
    sub: Polk PSW110(will add 2x PSW 505)
    Center: CS13
    surrounds:Polk RTi4( also have some def tech pro Mon. 800s, may end up her or expanding this to 7 channel.)
    TV: samsung 40
    The real 2 Channel(work in progress):
    Pre:HK 3490
    Amp:Parasound 1200 MK II
    Sub:RBH 1010-SEP
    Speakers: Monitor 5A peerless
    Headphones:
    Source: FIIO X3 CD rips WMA lossless
    Amp: FIIO E12, Nuforce icon udcac-2 W/pangea cable
    Cans: Audio-Technica ATH-M50, Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i
    most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know :)

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  • Polkie2009Polkie2009 Posts: 3,836
    Maybe one of these days I'll experience a "real" subwoofer in my theater room. For now I'll have to settle with 8 feet worth of sealed 18's topped with 300 pounds of granite. Not quite done yet.

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    This will be a massive build, you're going l o w_________. :) Bowel shaking earthquakes, of doubt and remorse.... :)
  • dizzydizzy Posts: 91
    I went from a PSW10 to a Paradigm dsp 3200. Huge difference. I don't know if the Paradigm falls in the list of high end or not. Probably not. I may be in the market for a better sub. No idea which one though.
    Pioneer sc-07
    center-CSi5
    fronts-RTi8
    Surrounds-Polk FXi A4
    sub-Paradigm DSP 3200
  • BlueBirdMusicBlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 255
    When I purchased my first 2B SDA speakers in the late 80's, I picked an Infinity SSW-210 (dual 10 inch woofer) to go with them from HiFi-Buys in Atlanta. It's is still in use today. The wife was not fond of it and she is gone now.
  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 6,552
    The wife was not fond of it and she is gone now.

    Sig material right there...
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    Office Rig- Marantz 2252B, Denon 2910, Kenwood KD2070 TT, Polk RTA 12B's/ RTA8t
  • Polkie2009 wrote: »
    This will be a massive build, you're going l o w_________. :) Bowel shaking earthquakes, of doubt and remorse.... :)

    Most people have no idea. :)

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  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 6,552
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    This will be a massive build, you're going l o w_________. :) Bowel shaking earthquakes, of doubt and remorse.... :)

    Most people have no idea. :)

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    Dayum.. Details please...
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    Office Rig- Marantz 2252B, Denon 2910, Kenwood KD2070 TT, Polk RTA 12B's/ RTA8t
  • Polkie2009Polkie2009 Posts: 3,836
    4 18"'s , yep, that looks like a massive alter of dispersion. :D
  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 2,046
    One question, where's the forklift you used to move that behemoth? Very impressive.
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  • MetropolisLakeMetropolisLake Posts: 128
    edited January 2016
    la2vegas wrote: »
    One question, where's the forklift you used to move that behemoth? Very impressive.

    I had to bring it in a piece at a time. :) There are two cabinets that house two subs each, they weigh 140 pounds each by themselves before hardware like insulation, wire, terminals, etc. Had to bring a friend over and get those in. 280 or a little more for those, add nearly 50 pounds each for the drivers, just put those in once in the room. The granite is probably about 300 pounds based on 18 pounds per square foot, but I got them to cut it in half, plus they sent two guys out who move this stuff every day out to bring it in. If you consider the amps as well altogether my sub setup probably weigh 800 pounds. Except that's not counting the two in the back from my old boxes, going to run two more nearfield firing into the seats, don't have drivers right now but when I do it will be over 1,000 pounds total.
  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 6,552
    Impressive...
    HT/Main- Panny 50" G10 Plasma, Pioneer SC-1222k AVR, Panny DMP-BD60 BDP, Polk LS90 mains, CS350LS center, LS/fx side surrounds, LS50 surround backs, SVS 25-31PC+ sub, Harmony One

    Office Rig- Marantz 2252B, Denon 2910, Kenwood KD2070 TT, Polk RTA 12B's/ RTA8t
  • Dayum.. Details please...

    four ultimax 18's, cabinet grade double-refined MDF cabinets that are heavily braced, "absolute black" granite from Sweden on top, after displacement a little over 4 cubic feet each driver, filled with R-19 insulation, did have a Crown 2502 on them but I already blew it up, should have a Speakerpower 4,000 watt amp soon.
  • K_MK_M Posts: 938
    We have owned almost a dozen subs over the last 15 years, and the one that we can not bear to get rid of for how it sounds with music, is our vintage Polk Audio PSW1000.

    Not the final word in loud movie bass at all, but as far as music goes, he and I agree it is the only one that works well in our main listening room and does music really well.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    I bet those pups can produce a brown note from h*ll. LOL
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  • JaybeezJaybeez Posts: 261
    Just replaced a PSW404 with a Rhythmik F12SE. This is for my 2 channel system. Night and day difference. Still have a bit of tuning / set up to get it perfect, but so far so good!
    Living Room (HT):Denon AVR X-3000 ; Fronts – Polk R20s ; Center – Polk CS175i ;
    Sub – PSW 350 ; Rear – FXi4s

    2 Channel Studio: Plinius 9100 Integrated ; Marantz CD 5004 ; Teac TN 300 and Rega RP1 TTs ; LCRMKIII Phonograph Preamp;
    Schiit Bifrost DAC ; Ascend Acoustics Sierra 2s ; Rhythmik F12 SE Sub ; Zu and Audioquest cables

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  • MetropolisLakeMetropolisLake Posts: 128
    edited March 2016
    steveinaz wrote: »
    I bet those pups can produce a brown note from h*ll. LOL

    115 db at 12 hz. It rolls off a bit below that in my room before coming back up and leveling off, not sure why, but at the theoretical "brown note" frequency, which most people tend to consider to be 7 hz since France tried to weaponize it many years ago, it's probably at least 110 db. At this frequency and output, it slams two heavy solid core doors back and forth and rattles the doorknobs pretty good as if somebody is trying to get into both of them. When running sweeps I usually just start at 12 hz because of these issues.
  • Polkie2009Polkie2009 Posts: 3,836
    Hehe, that's moving some air there. :D
  • Geoff4rfcGeoff4rfc Posts: 1,560
    My experience was that of "Oh yeah, I have a REAL theater now".

    I went from an Onkyo 12" entry level sub and an Energy 10" sub. Both would bottom out regularly.

    Then I got a single Epik Empire, wow, what a dif.

    Eventually I got a second and have had both amps replaced, and like Polkie, I'll most likely add two more from PSA.

    When my oldest step daughter would bring her friends over after school to check out the Tron Legacy demo, I'd dial all the bass settings to max, I'd hear things like, "wow, this is better than the movies" and "hey, my voice sounds funny" and "I think my insides are coming out"
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  • Polkaguy58Polkaguy58 Posts: 278
    My latest sub is an older model Cambridge SoundWorks sealed job, with a 12" woofer and the option of running a secondary slave unit from the amp plate. (something I'll probably never need)
    I really like the sound a big sealed cab over a ported one, but my old passive NHT in the kitchen set up (with the velodyne external amp) sounds pretty nice too.

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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,871
    Just like a well designed tweeter gives you transparency, air, and depth---so does a good subwoofer for the low end, giving bass depth and dimensionality. (is that a word?)
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