Two PAIRS of Carver Platinums in a Sunfire!

nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,481
edited August 2013 in DIY, Mods & Tweaks
My latest challenge is the restoration of two pairs of Carver ALS Platinum speakers. They are largely intact, but in rather poor shape, and missing the ribbons, but all the other essentials are there. They were transported home in one trip in the back and on the roof of my little Pontiac Sunfire, with the truck CLOSED!:cheesygrin:

The plan is to completely upgrade the look and performance of the speakers with new crossovers, veneer and granite bases, with other tweeks to make them a perfect match to my amps. This should be fun...

a few pics...
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Thank GOD I got them for the princely sum if 5 bucks worth of rope and an hour's worth of my time, because these babies would be nothing but a money pit otherwise.
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo BDP-95 Bluray, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

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  • codyc1arkcodyc1ark Posts: 2,539
    edited August 2013
    Nice find, it'll be cool to see you bring these guys back to life. Good luck!
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 14,812
    edited August 2013
    Damn John! This musta been what you were calling about today :smile:. Will call you back later....

    Ps I bet you driving down the highway looked like that farmers commercial with the station wagon and mattress lol
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  • PolkieManPolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited August 2013
    Next time buy a hatchback :razz:. But yea looks like a cool project, are parts still out there?
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 8,330
    edited August 2013
    I googled Carver Amazing images and this is what popped up....and her pair don't look anything like yours.:eek:
    Carver Amazing.JPG

    http://www.tonyskansascity.com/2010/07/jordan-carver-and-tkc-morning.html


    Cool project...will these take as long as your amps:razz:....You do have a job now.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,481
    edited August 2013
    Damn... there's a lot of boobage getting bounced around these days...:biggrin:

    These are going to be a lot of fun. I am starting to research the best way to redo the crossovers and source some new 12's. The ribbons are going to be a nightmare it would seem.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo BDP-95 Bluray, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 14,812
    edited August 2013
    Damn... there's a lot of boobage getting bounced around these days...:biggrin:

    These are going to be a lot of fun. I am starting to research the best way to redo the crossovers and source some new 12's. The ribbons are going to be a nightmare it would seem.

    John look at minidsp. It's a active crossover you can program with a laptop so you can truly tweak things.

    They are cheap and IIRC some of the Carver guys are using them.
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  • FaceFace Posts: 14,712
    edited August 2013
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,519
    edited August 2013
    I wish I had the ability to rehab speakers like that. Future karma? :cheesygrin:
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,481
    edited August 2013
    DSkip wrote: »
    I wish I had the ability to rehab speakers like that. Future karma? :cheesygrin:

    If someone wants to come and grab a pair, they are welcome to them. I may end up junking a pair to restore the other. I don't want to do that, but it will likely be far too expensive to do both. I am thinking I will have two grand in the first pair before they play a note.

    If that was the price for a PAIR.. I would be pleased, but they are out of the budget.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo BDP-95 Bluray, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • halo71halo71 Posts: 4,380
    edited August 2013
    Nice project John!

    yeah I googled them and found these....
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  • Big DawgBig Dawg Posts: 1,950
    edited August 2013
    Nice find John! Good luck with the restoration. I assume you know already, but a guy on the carver forum at least used to have an inventory of original ribbons. Name was something like toymaker, iirc.
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,481
    edited August 2013
    Big Dawg wrote: »
    Nice find John! Good luck with the restoration. I assume you know already, but a guy on the carver forum at least used to have an inventory of original ribbons. Name was something like toymaker, iirc.
    LOL... I plan to call him but can't find his number.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo BDP-95 Bluray, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • FaceFace Posts: 14,712
    edited August 2013
    If that was the price for a PAIR.. I would be pleased, but they are out of the budget.
    Keep an eye on DIYAudio and Parts Express's classified sections, they pop up there from time to time. I guess upgraded woofers would be out of the question too? http://aespeakers.com/shop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=72
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 38,136
    edited August 2013
    Angelo on the Carver forum has a pair of rebuilt 60' ribbons for sale and new OEM surrounds are now available on eBay. Otherwise, Dynavox sells the complete woofer for about $30.00 to $40.00 when they run a sale.

    Your biggest problem is going to be figuring out a way to securely attach the marble bases to the MDF panel as even the original bases will rip out in a heartbeat.
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  • schwarcwschwarcw Posts: 7,117
    edited August 2013
    A couple of nice pairs indeed!!
    Carl

  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 1,995
    edited August 2013
    There is a set of Amazings (Not the Platinums) for sale on the Ventura CL but the ad list Kingsburg, Ca as a location??? $700 http://ventura.craigslist.org/ele/3942277929.html
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,481
    edited August 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    Angelo on the Carver forum has a pair of rebuilt 60' ribbons for sale and new OEM surrounds are now available on eBay. Otherwise, Dynavox sells the complete woofer for about $30.00 to $40.00 when they run a sale.

    Your biggest problem is going to be figuring out a way to securely attach the marble bases to the MDF panel as even the original bases will rip out in a heartbeat.

    I am going to double the thickness of the back of the panels and extent that up about 18 inches. The granite base will have threaded steel rods that will slide inside sleeves bored into the bottom of the speakers. This will allow me to remove the panels and move them out of the room if needed. the crossovers will be housed in a case on the back that looks like my transformer covers on the amps..

    The frames will feature a finish like this...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo BDP-95 Bluray, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 38,136
    edited August 2013
    Well ok, I stand corrected.....LOL

    I can picture what you're saying and I like your plan.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,481
    edited August 2013
    Deeper investigation reveals these to possibly be original ALS and probably not Plats, though outside of the 60 inch ribbons instead of two 30" units, I am not really seeing much difference between the two.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo BDP-95 Bluray, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 3,748
    edited August 2013
    The original had 2X30" ribbons and different woofers then what you have in yours. They had a silver honeycomb sort of look to the woofers.

    The original with the 2 30" ribbons were also not as easy to drive, would dip to 1 ohm at times, and not as efficient as the plats were. The crossover was also different.
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  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,563
    edited August 2013
    Great score! Consider an active crossover on one pair. Not a new idea, IIRC Rudi Blianca was the first to do this back around 2000. There are folks in the Carver community that do this and agree. If you go with exotic caps the cost of refurbing the passives will be high. I'm remembering there was one high value cap that really drove up the cost.

    Do you have a Carver loudspeaker service manual? I can shoot you a copy if you like. It covers the Amazing, Silver and Platinum.

    The manual is handy in that it tells you the woofers in the Silver and Platinum are wired out of phase in respect to the red and black leads from xover. Another common error, even from the factory was reversing the phase of the lower two woofers. The top two were mounted terminals pointing down, the lower two terminals point up; they would connect positive to negative terminal in the lower woofers.
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  • cnhcnh Posts: 13,310
    edited August 2013
    Unbelievable price even if they are all in pieces and need work. Carver Amazings are really something when it comes to reproducing a symphonic hall--so airy and spacious, full sounding--an almost I'm there experience!

    Sounds like a fun but taxing project. Yeah, the ribbons are the biggest nightmare as I understand it. But looks like there are some options above. Look forward to the rehab thread!

    Have fun! I'm certainly incapable of such work! But I love watching!

    One more question. Is Bob a "boob" man?

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  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,566
    edited August 2013
    Congrats on what look like a terrible set of Amazings... :mrgreen:
  • drumminmandrumminman Posts: 3,346
    edited August 2013
    Looking forward to seeing how you bring these back to life.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,481
    edited August 2013
    cnh wrote: »


    One more question. Is Bob a "boob" man?

    cnh

    Just like most of us, he has never seen a pair he didn't like.:mrgreen:
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo BDP-95 Bluray, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,481
    edited August 2013
    SComp... thanks man, I will take you up on that offer. PM sent.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo BDP-95 Bluray, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,481
    edited August 2013
    zingo wrote: »
    Congrats on what look like TWO terrible set of Amazings... :mrgreen:

    Fixed... If I can get one beautifully restored, sexy as hell, and perfectly performing set from them, it will be amazing!:mrgreen:
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo BDP-95 Bluray, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,519
    edited August 2013
    So does this project supersede your LSiM-SDA build?
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, iFi LS3.5
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,481
    edited August 2013
    DSkip wrote: »
    So does this project supersede your LSiM-SDA build?

    Not really.. I am still working on drawings for the cabinets and such. This is more of a diversion and experimenting with modding an existing design into a more modern form. The experience gained here can only help the other project along.

    Having just gone back to work after almost a year, the funding for the SRS/M is just not there yet.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono twin chassis phono preamplifier, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, Pioneer PDD 9MkII SACD Player, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo BDP-95 Bluray, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • PolkieManPolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited August 2013
    LSiM-SDA build will be interesting to say the least
    Not really.. I am still working on drawings for the cabinets and such. This is more of a diversion and experimenting with modding an existing design into a more modern form. The experience gained here can only help the other project along.

    Having just gone back to work after almost a year, the funding for the SRS/M is just not there yet.
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    POLK SDA 1C BOUGHT USED 2011,Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-194
    ONKYO HT RC-360 SONY BDP S590 TECHNICS SL BD-1
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