DarqueKnight and Regenerators . . . .

SolidSqual
SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
edited November 2008 in Electronics
I was originally just going to PM this website to DarqueKnight since he's been helping me with Power Conditioning and Regenerating questions, but then I'd thought the rest of the forum might benefit as well. . . .

http://www.audiophileaps.com/

The company is called Audiophile Aps. They make a product called Pure Power. Aside from some other products, they make some nice regenerators. Based on the specs of the top line products, Pure Power would outperform the regeneration capabilities of the PPP (not sure about filtering). So for you people with big massive amps (like the JC1) this may be your your solution.

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2008
    Whats with the voltage thing of 36v and 72v?

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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited November 2008
    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    Whats with the voltage thing of 36v and 72v?

    I believe that refers to the batteries within the unit. Those kits are replacements batteries.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited November 2008
    Here is another option:
    http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=258472
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    If you look hard enough, you can sometimes find them for half the list price.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited November 2008
    Does the Belkin do any power regeneration? It only seems to be a battery backup.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited November 2008
    Correct, no regeneration.
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited November 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    So for you people with big massive amps (like the JC1) this may be your your solution.

    Thanks for the tip, but I'm not optimistic.

    I was advised by a Parasound associate that:

    1. The JC 1 is designed to be plugged into the wall and is relatively immune to power line conditions as long as they are within industry standards.

    2. To their knowledge, there are no consumer grade power conditioners or regenerators that can meet the high current demands of the JC 1.

    3. I should only consider using a power conditioner if the utility company's power is excessively noisy, unreliable, or the voltage is consistently too high or too low.

    4. A rule of thumb is that a power conditioner capable of feeding the JC 1 will be a commercial grade unit and will cost considerably more than the retail price of a pair of JC 1's ($7,000).

    5. Even with an adequate power conditioner and assuming the wall power is within spec, the degree of improvement will be small and comparable to that achieved with a high quality power cord. Therefore, the degree of diminishing returns will be excessive.

    I saw this thread just as I was getting ready to post the results of my experiment using a pair of Power Plant Premiers to run my JC 1's.
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  • jm1
    jm1 Posts: 618
    edited November 2008
    I would be looking at the ExactPower products if I needed regulation and waveform correction (EP15A). They also used to make a EP20A on request.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited November 2008
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    3. I should only consider using a power conditioner if the utility company's power is excessively noisy, unreliable, or the voltage is consistently too high or too low.

    Raife, what would you consider too high and too low?

    Thanks,
    Joe
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited November 2008
    Most power companies maintain the wall voltage at +/- 5% of the nominal 120 volts, so the range is 114 - 126 volts.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited November 2008
    Thanks Doc!
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited November 2008
    Torus power doesn't regenerate, but they make a few models that can handle parasound JC-1's... You could probably get away with one 20 amp model.

    http://www.toruspower.com/
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Thanks for the tip, but I'm not optimistic.

    I was advised by a Parasound associate that:

    1. The JC 1 is designed to be plugged into the wall and is relatively immune to power line conditions as long as they are within industry standards.

    2. To their knowledge, there are no consumer grade power conditioners or regenerators that can meet the high current demands of the JC 1.

    3. I should only consider using a power conditioner if the utility company's power is excessively noisy, unreliable, or the voltage is consistently too high or too low.

    4. A rule of thumb is that a power conditioner capable of feeding the JC 1 will be a commercial grade unit and will cost considerably more than the retail price of a pair of JC 1's ($7,000).

    5. Even with an adequate power conditioner and assuming the wall power is within spec, the degree of improvement will be small and comparable to that achieved with a high quality power cord. Therefore, the degree of diminishing returns will be excessive.

    I saw this thread just as I was getting ready to post the results of my experiment using a pair of Power Plant Premiers to run my JC 1's.
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  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,243
    edited November 2008
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Most power companies maintain the wall voltage at +/- 5% of the nominal 120 volts, so the range is 114 - 126 volts.

    Keep in mind that is at the meter. 110V may be allowable at your farthest outlet, per the NEC or other local standards.

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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited November 2008
    No disrespect, but the JC1 doesn't even tax a 15 amp outlet when pulling only 1280 watts of power at full load. Lets not make more of it than it is, it is a single channel 400/800/1200 watt amp. The load requirements from any number of multi channel HT amps are more demanding on a power outlet. The JC1 doesn't even demand a 20 amp service.

    In that context the JC1 isn't a power hog at all..........
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited November 2008
    Dennis Gardner wrote: »
    No disrespect, but the JC1 doesn't even tax a 15 amp outlet when pulling only 1280 watts of power at full load. Lets not make more of it than it is, it is a single channel 400/800/1200 watt amp. The load requirements from any number of multi channel HT amps are more demanding on a power outlet. The JC1 doesn't even demand a 20 amp service.

    In that context the JC1 isn't a power hog at all..........

    I don't think anyone took your comments as disrespectful. I certainly didn't.

    I always appreciate the opportunity to learn from the experiences of other audio enthusiasts. What has been your personal experience with the JC 1? I posted some notes of my experiences trying to run my JC 1's off two 1500 watt PS Audio Power Plant Premier AC regenerators here.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited November 2008
    I-SIG wrote: »
    Keep in mind that is at the meter. 110V may be allowable at your farthest outlet, per the NEC or other local standards.

    Wes

    Does that take into consideration Voltage Drop at high current loads to those farthest outlets? Meaning is 110V the lowest it should get at full capacity? Or is 110V the lowest with no load?
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  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,243
    edited November 2008
    I would say that should be with load on the circuit.

    I know for our voltage drop calcs at work, we either estimate the load on the transformer, or when possible, take the peak loads we've seen in the past on a particular transformer and work off that.

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited November 2008
    Here is a interesting discussion that can pertain to this thread.

    http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195406
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  • Que2008
    Que2008 Posts: 10
    edited November 2008
    I have a Panamax MAXX 5400-PM that does voltage regulation. It keeps my power around 120VAC.
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