Please help me find the right power amp for my setup.. Adcom GFA-545 II?

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,411
    edited September 2008
    trans am wrote: »
    Okay deal is done. I paid him. I can sell the onkyo or give it as a gift and use the preamps 4 inputs for everything else. here's my question since the amp only has 1 stereo terminal, could I run the psw111 of the the amp and daisy chain the lsi7 to the extra terminals on the subwoofer for now? or is that ridiculous? is there a way I can split the terminal on the amp so I can still have a sub?

    You can but it will sound like **** as the internal x-over in the sub (if it has one) will "choke" the LSi's.

    And no there is no way to "split" the terminal on the amp and you wouldn't want the sub hooked up to the amp, you'd have no control over it's volume except at the sub if it has it's own output adjustment. Every time you'd adjust the volume on the pre you have to manually adjust the sub. Not even sure if the signal coming full out of the amp is compatible going directly to the sub input.

    Dude, I can totally appreciate the predicament you are in financially but you can't do the things you want to do with this set-up. It's not designed to operate like a multi-channel HT with sub output. There really is no way to rig it that isn't either a fire hazard or by doing some other damage.

    Sorry but that's the truth

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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited September 2008
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    I'm not familiar with the term "Main in"-what is that? :confused:
    Main in is a direct input to the amp section bypassing all pre amp/processing functions.
    So he can't run the preamp outputs in to the CD line in?
    Yes he could.

    The problem with driving an amp from the tape outs is the lack of volume control, its output stays at a fixed constant level.
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    Okay thanks. I see. I'll run the lsi7 only until I can get my new receiver straightened out. Mod can close this thread if you want. I think I'm all set. :)
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited September 2008
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Main in is a direct input to the amp section bypassing all pre amp/processing functions.
    Yes he could.

    The problem with driving an amp from the tape outs is the lack of volume control, its output stays at a fixed constant level.

    I didn't suggest using the tape-outs-I suggested the preamp outs, where the preamp's volume would be used-but anyway-apparently I have more to learn about line levels, etc, etc. :o
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  • vonnie123
    vonnie123 Posts: 326
    edited September 2008
    Enjoy your new amp.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited September 2008
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Main in is a direct input to the amp section bypassing all pre amp/processing functions.
    ...

    I see now-I have seen some pics of what you're talking about. My Onk 805 doesn't have anything like that-I didn't even know you could tap into the amp section of an AVR like that. Hmm.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited September 2008
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    I didn't suggest using the tape-outs-I suggested the preamp outs,
    Yeah I just mentioned the tape out thing as it was mentioned in some other posts .I agreed that your suggestion of running a signal from the pre to a "line in" like the CD in on the reciever would cetainly work.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited September 2008
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Yeah I just mentioned the tape out thing as it was mentioned in some other posts .I agreed that your suggestion of running a signal from the pre to a "line in" like the CD in on the reciever would cetainly work.


    Ahh I see-its all in how you read it ;)
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited September 2008
    Check this out for your powered sub hookup.

    This is currently what i'm doing with my bedroom 2-channel setup. Works fine, no problems after a month or so of it running, haven't run into any problems other than a ridiculously overpowered sub vs. my main speakers. Took a lot of tweaking to make it sound balanced.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70986
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    1) Double up on wires coming out of the reciever's front channels, so i will actually have TWO wires coming out of positive and negative each, for both left and right channels. So... i would have out of the right channel, one pair going to the sub +/-, and one pair going to the right VS-25 +/-. Same for the left. So instead of 4 wires normally coming out of the receiver/preamp outputs, i'll have 8.

    2) Run the normal 4 wires directly to the sub, and run wires from those 4 input wires, back out to the left/right VS-25s.

    run 2 wires out of a single terminal? are you sure man? This doesn't sound right at all.
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    I found a new HK-3490 for $280 on buy.com.
    This is the latest ver. and has a sub out and the preouts and main in. seems good for the price. I was going to get the Outlaw Audio RR2150 but more money than I can afford right now. I think I'll be able to run everything how I want to on the HK.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited September 2008
    trans am wrote: »
    I found a new HK-3490 for $280 on buy.com.
    This is the latest ver. and has a sub out and the preouts and main in. seems good for the price. I was going to get the Outlaw Audio RR2150 but more money than I can afford right now. I think I'll be able to run everything how I want to on the HK.

    What I saw on buy was actually Electronics Expo and there's a $30 shipping fee. Same thing here at J&R but with free shipping.
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    I live in NY. J&R Charges me sales tax. it was cheaper for me to buy from electronics expo/buy.com plus the whole point was to buy from buy.com so I could use my Revolution card..
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited September 2008
    trans am wrote: »
    I live in NY. J&R Charges me sales tax. it was cheaper for me to buy from electronics expo/buy.com plus the whole point was to buy from buy.com so I could use my Revolution card..

    Ahh-I dig it.
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  • mmadden28
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    edited September 2008
    Ahh crap- the Pioneer I mentioned in Post 19 just sold out. Crap. I was literally on the phone callin them to order when the web page updated to say no longer available. Arrghhh!!!
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    man that sux. I think that was a great deal on a HT. I would've gone for it if I had the space for that monster.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited September 2008
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    Ahh crap- the Pioneer I mentioned in Post 19 just sold out. Crap. I was literally on the phone callin them to order when the web page updated to say no longer available. Arrghhh!!!

    Dammit! I finally got through to them, they actually sold out yesterday and said they won't be getting any more. :(
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited September 2008
    trans am wrote: »
    run 2 wires out of a single terminal? are you sure man? This doesn't sound right at all.

    The guy that recommended me to do that seemed to know what he was doing. Sounded weird to me, too.

    I actually have mine daisy-chained right now. But i also don't really have the same level of main speaker you do, either.

    I'll try the 2 wires out the single terminal this weekend and see if that changes anything.
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    Thanks Lee! The Shipment arrived safe and sound. I ordered some nice cables for cheap from monoprice.com yesterday. I am going to set it all up tonight when I get home from work! Next stop .... Hi-Fi heaven! Thanks for the help everyone. :)

    I'll have the landlord banging on my door in no time with all this power!
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  • leroyjr1
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    edited September 2008
  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    What about this possibility? Get the Pre and Amp deal from Leroy, run a source (CD, Tuner, iPod) into the preamp. Y-Split the Preamp outs -one set into the existing Onkyo's line inputs for driving the Rti's and sub, and the other set into the 545II for the LSi's.
    Maybe??

    Mmaden you're a frickn genius!

    I'll get to that in a minute. I bought a HK-3490 replacement for the legendary 3480. It has preout and main in plus a sub out. I thought man I'm all set this is exactly what I need. So today . lee's Adcom kit arrives plus the HK unit. So i'm thinking all day at work about this. Finally I get home and unpack everything. The HK unit is beautiful. The pre and poweramp from lee look like they've never been used. All original packaging and he included very high quality rca cables for the power amp. I take the Onk out and start connecting cables. the plan is use the preout for the amp to drive the lsi 7. then use the speaker 1 terminal for the Rtia1 set and the sub out rca for the psw111. I get the amp hooked up and run the lsi7 off the pre and sound is amazing. then I hook up the rtia1 of speaker 1 terminal on the HK. and no sound. sub out works fine. so what happens is when using the preout on the HK it bypasses the integrated amp in the HK.

    Next I run the power amp off the HK tape 2 out. it works like onkyo told me but no way to adjust the voluime for the lsi7. so this is a definite no go.

    I was like shoot I paid extra for this and not working to my favor.

    next I'm thinking run 2 receivers separately

    1 for pc and the other for the tv, record player dvd etc.

    run the rtia1 off the onk on my computer desk and run the lsi7 off the adcom pre and return the HK to buy.com.

    then I noticed a set of 4 rca outs on the Adcom preamp. I run the 2 main outs into the adcom power amp and run the other 2 outs in the cd line in on the back of the onk. I run the psw111 of terminal b and the rtia1 off terminal A of onkyo. And LSI7 off the poweramp which is running out of the adcom preamp out.

    It works perfectly! There is no hum or high pitched noise like h9 warned about. The power amp and the pre's feel warm to the the touch but not hot at all. I can turn it up as loud as it goes and the nothing shuts off!!

    it sounds frickin amazing and I hear no difference in sound from the lsi7 than I did when I initially started. All I do is adjust the volume levels on the ONK for the sub and rtiA1 and then turn up the Adcom preamp which adjusts all 5 speakers simultaneously. Then I play with the pc speaker setup. it sends a chime to the left and right speakers so you can identify left from right channel. the problem is its rings both rtia1 at the same time for the right then rings the lsi7 for the left. ????


    I checked my connections and instead of using terminal A left and right for the rtia1. I run the right RTIa1 off terminal A Right and the left rtia1 off terminal B right. (two rights???) but now it works. left chime right chime. lsi7 included.

    SO my conclusion is. IT all worked out. mmadden was right all along. lee gave me a sweet deal and I got to use the preamp wisely. The HK is going back to buy.com and I get to keep the onk in the mix. Eventually I will sell the Rtia1 and get another set of Lsi9s for my main and use the lsi7 for the computer.

    Thanks to everyone for the help. I hope this thread helps others in the same ship. I think Polk forum is amazing. I am an avid computer overclocker and am on xtremesystems.org. I cool Intel quad and dual core cpus using dry ice and liquid nitrogen. XS is the best overclocking forum in the world. I would like to say polk forums is the xtremesystems forum for the Audio Enthusiasts.
    this is a huge compliment fyi.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited September 2008
    trans am wrote: »
    It has preout and main in plus a sub out. I thought man I'm all set this is exactly what I need.... so what happens is when using the preout on the HK it bypasses the integrated amp in the HK.
    To use the pre out did you removed a pair of jumpers that went from pre out to main in ?If so then you disconnected the internal amp.You will need to get a pair of Y adaptors (1 female RCA -2 males RCA)so that you can reconnect it at the same time have a place for your pre out cable.1 male end would go to the pre out and the other to the main in.Then the female end will give you the pre out signal.
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    One other thing I like about this setup is I can adjust everything independently so I can turn down the lesser RtiA1's and run the Lsi7 higher so they are the dominant speakers in the setup. I wish you guys could hear my rig. I think you'd all be pretty amazed. I'm freaking out over here. I am speechless.
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    GV#27 wrote: »
    To use the pre out did you removed a pair of jumpers that went from pre out to main in ?If so then you disconnected the internal amp.You will need to get a pair of Y adaptors (1 female RCA -2 males RCA)so that you can reconnect it at the same time hacve a place for your pre out cable.1 male end would go to the pre out and the other to the main in.Then the female end will give you the pre out signal.

    Yes. Exactly. The jumpers covered the preout l/r and the main in l/r. I dont have any y adapters and never thought of this. So I see what you are saying. the y adapter would basically still serve as a jumper except it would be a jumper with a female input in the center. sounds great!

    But regardless. If the setup works how I described using the onk. is it worth $300 just to use the preout on the HK? Will it sound any better? Am I going to damage something the way I'm set up currently? Like I said. everything works and sounds amazing. no hums no high pitched sounds. no surprises like that at all. its all working flawlessly and I like the option of setting the lsi7 higher than the RtiA1.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited September 2008
    Great to hear that you have it up and operational the way you want.Enjoy.:)
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited September 2008
    trans am wrote: »
    . is it worth $300 to just use the preout on the HK?
    Nope,$300 can buy you lots of new tunes.
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Nope,$300 can buy you lots of new tunes.

    Glad to hear this from another music lover. I am going to get Brand X Moroccan Roll and Unorthodox Behaviour on Vinyl. These are quintessential Acid Jazz/Fusion Albums. Phil Collins' first band he was in and plays drums like Neil Peart on five hits of acid! If you guys don't Know about Brand X and enjoy heavy drumming and rock/ jazz (don caballero). Listen to these 2 albums from the band that started it all. You'll be amazed.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited September 2008
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    trans am wrote: »
    ...I run the psw111 of terminal b and the rtia1 off terminal A of onkyo.
    ...I run the right RTIa1 off terminal A Right and the left rtia1 off terminal B right. (two rights???) but now it works. left chime right chime. lsi7 included.
    Lost me on how you hooked up the sub and the PC, but I'm glad it worked out for you. :)

    trans am wrote: »
    ... and get another set of Lsi9s for my main ...
    They are IMHO sweet speakers!! :cool: The only problem with them is that they keep whispering things to me when I sleep. They keep asking me for friends-expensive friends, like expensive new CD Players, and DACs, and stuff. Then they start playing some George Winston and gently put me back to sleep. :rolleyes:
    trans am wrote: »
    ...I cool Intel quad and dual core cpus using dry ice and liquid nitrogen. XS is the best overclocking forum in the world....
    :confused::eek::confused::eek:
    Dam-n-siht, dry ice? Liquid Nitrogen? Now that's extreme! :cool:
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited September 2008
    mmadden28 wrote: »

    :confused::eek::confused::eek:
    Dam-n-siht, dry ice? Liquid Nitrogen? Now that's extreme! :cool:

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  • mmadden28
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    edited September 2008
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