MIT Terminator 2 Speaker Cables-DEMO

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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited August 2008
    You got it Brock; as soon as I can edit.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,413
    edited August 2008
    I miss these already :p. They are packed and ready to go.

    The amazing thing to me is even in my modest system I can hear such a difference between cables.

    Currently I'm using a pair of IXOS cables with sturdy banana plugs on the end and they really sounded good compared to some others I've tested. The MIT's certainly take it to another level. The bass is much more solid and the highs have a crispness and air around them that I like very much. The sound stage has opened up even more especially the depth and separation between instruments and singers.

    With this hobby I have tried hard to stay on a strict budget because I really do enjoy my system, but it's times like this where I now know if I splurge and spend some serious $$$ on cables they will make a positive difference.

    I still need to figure out if the "extra" bass from the MIT's is some sort of slight coloration or if it's the "real" thing. Time to do some extensive research on the MIT network box.

    Seriously Ricardo, let everyone who wants; have a chance. Since these are now on my short list, I'd like a shot at them again in a new environment to see if I come to some of the same conclusions. I'm in no hurry since it will take some time to settle in to the new place and start some different impressions of my current system in a new listening environment.

    Ricardo, what should I insure these for? I'm paranoid now after UPS screwed the pooch on my LSi 7's. I almost feel as if I should make these "signature required" as I'm responsible for them until they reach SKsolutions.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited August 2008
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I miss these already :p. They are packed and ready to go.

    The amazing thing to me is even in my modest system I can hear such a difference between cables.

    Currently I'm using a pair of IXOS cables with sturdy banana plugs on the end and they really sounded good compared to some others I've tested. The MIT's certainly take it to another level. The bass is much more solid and the highs have a crispness and air around them that I like very much. The sound stage has opened up even more especially the depth and separation between instruments and singers.

    With this hobby I have tried hard to stay on a strict budget because I really do enjoy my system, but it's times like this where I now know if I splurge and spend some serious $$$ on cables they will make a positive difference.

    I still need to figure out if the "extra" bass from the MIT's is some sort of slight coloration or if it's the "real" thing. Time to do some extensive research on the MIT network box.

    Seriously Ricardo, let everyone who wants; have a chance. Since these are now on my short list, I'd like a shot at them again in a new environment to see if I come to some of the same conclusions. I'm in no hurry since it will take some time to settle in to the new place and start some different impressions of my current system in a new listening environment.

    Ricardo, what should I insure these for? I'm paranoid now after UPS screwed the pooch on my LSi 7's. I almost feel as if I should make these "signature required" as I'm responsible for them until they reach SKsolutions.

    H9

    Good question on the insurance; just go with $100. I think that's the included coverage with UPS, Fedex, etc...... isn't it?

    On the network box, those old ones only have an inductor on it. I know because one came apart when I got them. I understand the new ones have more components.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited August 2008
    Our friend Dorokusai made the updates to the first post. Thanks Mark. You're better than my secretary. She's more cute though.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2008
    Was there a dress involved?

    Speakers
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    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2008
    OK guys, this thread has tickled my better side and is a definite throwback to a time when the Club Polk Nation was being built by Polkies helping Polkies.

    I am going to coordinate with Ricardo to keep this demo running smoothly and running in order, what I am going to do is add a set of Shotgun S-3 1meter interconnects to the demo. These are my personal cables. In order to participate in this demo you will need to be participating in the Terminator 2 speaker demo. You can run your rig with each set individually and then together or what have you, you will need to know the input impedance of the piece of gear receiving the signal as these cables have a simple switch to adjust them to fit your gear.

    Again you must participate in the Terminator 2 demo and you must post in this thread about your experience. Everything else would be in line with what Ricardo is doing and of course I reserve the right to have the cables sent where and to whom I want. The person doing the demo will be responsible for shipping costs and insurance for 400.00 for this set of interconnects when sending them to the next person. If you do not want to demo them then let the person sending you the Term 2 know and these will go to next person who will hold them until they recieve the Terminator 2 and complete there demo. Please keep me advised of where the cables are and who has them.

    I will need the addy to send these to the member who is getting the Term 2 from Brock.

    RT1
  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2008
    Crap ;)


    What do you guys what my check directly deposited in your account.

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited August 2008
    Stop complaining Steve....:)

    Ted, that is a wonderful idea. One thing I learned in my MIT journey is that there is some synergy and added benefits when using both their IC's and speaker cables. Shotgun S3 is what I have in my system and it seems they will stay.

    I think that everyone should try both; the insurance requirements will make shipping a bit more expensive, but it will still be the cost of a couple lattes.

    Mark, I hope you are reading so that you can update the first post ;)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,413
    edited August 2008
    Great Idea Ted!! I'll catch up on the back end when I get my 2nd shot at Ricardo's cables after everyone has had firsts.

    Ricardo and Sean the cables went out today and I sent the tracking number via PM.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2008
    MIT Shotguns are great cables, I use the S2's in my SDA rig.

    Very generous of both of you!
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  • MillerLiteScott
    MillerLiteScott Posts: 2,564
    edited August 2008
    My MIT Shotguns S3's have burned in quite nicely. They are quite a step above the Terminator 2's. I highly recommend the Shotgun S3's. They are a very sonically balanced cable IMO. I have plenty bass now compared to my previous AQ speaker wire and the top end is just so smooth. Sound stage is wide and deep.

    MIT SHotgun S3's made even more of an improvement than redoing my crossovers with Sonicaps and Mills resisters, and that is saying a lot.

    You will not be dissapointed.

    Scott
    I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited August 2008
    Not sure why I just saw this thread today - but please put me in if possible.

    Thanks,

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited August 2008
    Cables arrived in good shape. I'll get them in tomorrow. Thanks all.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2008
    SK,

    Shotguns are away and headed to you. Fedex said about three days.

    Enjoy.

    RT1
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited August 2008
    Good. Having that pair will make for a great demo.

    TO ALL THOSE IN THE WAITING LIST:

    Make sure you go back to the first post to see the added requirements on insurance.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2008
    FYI-- South Ga. to Ma., Fedex, with 400 insurance was 12.50 American.

    RT1
  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited August 2008
    What's wrong with monster cables........ hahaha I have MIT cables on my Rig as well. I wish I could participate in this demo.
    PolkAudioClyde
  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited September 2008
    Both sets should be going out Monday 9/7 to Ascubie. I'll PM all parties. Thanks Ted & Ricardo!
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  • acsubie
    acsubie Posts: 773
    edited September 2008
    forgot i signed up for this, can hardly wait
  • acsubie
    acsubie Posts: 773
    edited September 2008
    MIT speaker cables and ICs are now in my possession and being tested in my rig
  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited September 2008
    What are the results of this speaker/interconnect test...did I miss the Thread with the results..... should I go out and buy these or will my old radio shack cables would suffice.
    PolkAudioClyde
  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited September 2008
    Is it too late to get on the signup list?
    TNRabbit
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,413
    edited September 2008
    PolkClyde wrote: »
    What are the results of this speaker/interconnect test...did I miss the Thread with the results..... should I go out and buy these or will my old radio shack cables would suffice.

    There are a couple reviews (mine incl) in this thread. And yes, they are far better than the RS cables and far more expensive.

    Of course YMMV ;)

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited September 2008
    I'll try to make this readable and coherent. . . . not a strong point of mine. I did not have a huge amount of time with these, because I got real busy on a project (I posted some project pics in the picture thread, so I hope that gets me of the hook a bit). I have some mid-fi gear, in an medium sized room, with above average room acoustics. It's the original lathe and plaster from 1930, with the 8.6' ceiling being sheetrock. It's open at the back to a central landing so that the front wall will pressurize, and no reflections come from the rear. Very limited standing waves. The speakers are 4' out from the wall, and 3.5' from the sidewalls with 8' of separation. Seating is 9' from speakers.
    Gear > Cable:
    Cambridge 540v2 player> Ben's silver IC
    B&K ST1400mkII amp> 1m AQ Copperhead
    HK pre> 1m AQ Copperhead
    Polk LSi9's, 31" stands> AQ Type 4

    Above gear and cables with Terminators in the speaker postion
    The speaker cables came first, and I got them right on, and gave a listen. They were replacing the AQ type 4, which replaced a Canare. I was immediately aware that there was more top end. I let them play, and went to work.

    Pro: Bass was as good. Top end was superior. Stage was larger. I loved the sparkle without any glare, and the extension that these had.
    Con: Some midrange drive was missing. The sound was there, and it seemed to be neutral, but some energy seemed to be missing. It's like the curve followed, but the amplitude didn't track for this certain frequency. I would hear the notes, but not feel them as much- if that helps. Also, for whatever reason, with the associated gear, I got listening fatigue for the first time. If you note, all the gear is on the 'warm' side, except the CA player.

    Shotguns in pre to amp position, all others as listed above

    When I unpacked these, I was impressed. Great build. All the cables remained as listed above.
    These had the similar top end extension that the Terminators had, but it was a different flavor. The bottom end was steady and articulate, and overall it seemed to be very balanced and flat. The soundstage seemed to widen, but I lost some reference to center, which, when combined with the higher extension, localized the 9's more in the room. There was a small amount of detail retrieval with these that I didn't get with the AQ cable.
    If I'd had more time with it, I would have tried repositioning the speaker to see if I could have made it work better in my room. As positioned, and even with the extra detail, the AQ gave me more of what I wanted and how I wanted it.

    Together
    I then tried them together right before I had to ship them out. They do play nice together, but I still got some fatigue. I wouldn't assume that it's the speaker cable. It may be a combination of the room, gear, and cables. I have some silver in the system as well, and CA players aren't all that forgiving.

    To sum up. I dug them both, but would not be able to keep the Terminators without changing other things as well. The Shotguns, I think, gave me a better idea of what their 'house' sound is.

    In the end, and for now, the AQ and BWaudio cables stay. When the amp and pre are changed out this fall/winter, I may try this again. Solid core sounds better to me right now, and may be hiding some of the weak points.:)

    Thank you Ricardo, Ted, and all those that come before and after me on the list. It's been very cool.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2008
    SKsolutions, thanks for taking the time to write that review.

    TNRabbit, we will put you in the list.

    I'll ask Mark to edit the first post....damn this no editing thing.

    From now on, wnyone that wants to participate will need to have at least 6 months of active participation in the forum.
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  • acsubie
    acsubie Posts: 773
    edited September 2008
    my testing time is coming to an end and i will contacting the next person in line to arrange shipment by the end of the week
  • acsubie
    acsubie Posts: 773
    edited September 2008
    i still have these in my possession, found out that "amulford" lives about 1/2 hr from me and to spare the hassle of shipping such an expensive item(s) that is not mine we arranged a 1/2 way pickup, unfortunately he was busy today when we were suppose to meet so he will keep me updated on when has spare time this week so we can arrange pickup/deleivery
  • acsubie
    acsubie Posts: 773
    edited October 2008
    well "amulford" and I were suppose to meet up again this weekend again to arrange a pickup of the wires, he was unable to work in a pickup to his busy schedule so he advised me to just ship these to the next person in line, i will be contacting them today and arranging shipment same day since these have been boxed up and ready to go for the last few days
  • acsubie
    acsubie Posts: 773
    edited October 2008
    shipped today and in route to"phuz" in texas

    once again thanks for giving me the opportunity to test MIT
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,413
    edited October 2008
    Ricardo,

    When you get a chance you can take me out of the rotation. I have my own set of Terminator II's now.

    Thanks

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!