Can an external DAC do SACD 2 Channel?

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ben62670
ben62670 Posts: 15,969
edited May 2008 in Electronics
I know many SACD's are dual format, but can an external DAC do the d a c for the SACD layer in 2 channel. I'm pretty sure the answer is no:(
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
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    Only with HDMI.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 20,290
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    No..
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
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    No...

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
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    No such luck for me. My Outlaw only has DVI inputs, Coax, and optical. I have a Sony 400disc DVD changer that does SACD, but in the audio department it is lacking. I just hate to loose the convenience, and have to get another source.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
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    ben62670 wrote: »
    I know many SACD's are dual format, but can an external DAC do the d a c for the SACD layer in 2 channel. I'm pretty sure the answer is no:(

    Dependent on your definition of "DAC".

    In the traditional sense, there're only a handful on SACD-capable DAC and they're generally super expensive. Not to mention they often require a proprietary SACD transport with a proprietary connection.

    However, if you want to do the DSD bitstream decoding external of the player, you can now do it with a DSD-compatible receiver....such as Yamaha's new 663. If you use a player such as Oppo's 980 or 983, both of which can send the naive DSD bitstream using their HDMI output, you can use a receiver like the Yamaha to do the DSD decoding. There're other options, such as receivers from Marantz and Onkyo. The Yamaha 663 will set you back about $400.00 and the Oppo players start at $170.00.
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
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    Thanks Danny. For the limited number of SACD's I can't justify sinking that kinda dough into processing. I have an Outlaw990 dedicated Pre that handles everything else pretty good. I have an Adcom GDA-700 in my near future that will do the DA conversion for my Sony CD, and DVD carousels. I just can't give up the convenience. Someday a nice source may be in my future, but for now I have to look at the big picture.
    Ben
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
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    ben62670 wrote: »
    Thanks Danny. For the limited number of SACD's I can't justify sinking that kinda dough into processing. I have an Outlaw990 dedicated Pre that handles everything else pretty good. I have an Adcom GDA-700 in my near future that will do the DA conversion for my Sony CD, and DVD carousels. I just can't give up the convenience. Someday a nice source may be in my future, but for now I have to look at the big picture.

    No problem, Ben.

    There's no reason that a SACD player, by itself, can't do an excellent job of processing DSD. Aside from the convenience of a single cable passing the DSD bitstream, instead of six separate analog cables for 5.1 multi-channel surround sound, external processing doesn't guarantee better sound quality. OK, maybe better bass management....but an Outlaw ICBM unit (discontinued) can easily fix that.

    Edit: Oops....just saw your mention of 2 channel. Nevermind about the surround sound part.
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
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    The Sony DVD is pretty thin sounding. Not just in the bass. I can live with that for now.
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    Ben
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
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    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Dependent on your definition of "DAC".

    In the traditional sense, there're only a handful on SACD-capable DAC and they're generally super expensive. Not to mention they often require a proprietary SACD transport with a proprietary connection.

    However, if you want to do the DSD bitstream decoding external of the player, you can now do it with a DSD-compatible receiver....such as Yamaha's new 663. If you use a player such as Oppo's 980 or 983, both of which can send the naive DSD bitstream using their HDMI output, you can use a receiver like the Yamaha to do the DSD decoding. There're other options, such as receivers from Marantz and Onkyo. The Yamaha 663 will set you back about $400.00 and the Oppo players start at $170.00.


    Perhaps a bit of rail here sorry, but is this like the I-Link with Pioneer?

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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
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    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    Perhaps a bit of rail here sorry, but is this like the I-Link with Pioneer?

    Yes. The two ways to transfer DSD digitally are I-link (IEEE 1394) or HDMI.
  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
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    Gaara wrote: »
    Yes. The two ways to transfer DSD digitally are I-link (IEEE 1394) or HDMI.

    To be precise, HDMI v.1.2 or above. You will still need a receiver that can decode DSD even if you have HDMI v.1.2 or above.