Disturbing news today.

mantis
mantis Posts: 17,559
edited October 2008 in Electronics
Whats up all??
I made a horrible phone call today and it left me a bit down. B&K told me that the new preamp was pushed back to June. That really sucks. It could even go as far as mid summer release.
:(:mad::(:confused:
Dan
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,634
    edited April 2008
    Damn. That really sucks. Won't be able to sleep today thinking about such a tragedy.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited April 2008
    That sucks. I hate when I am waiting for something and the ETA gets pushed back. I feel your pain man and good luck.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,000
    edited April 2008
    I'll say a prayer for you.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited April 2008
    I'm more interested in the spec's of the new 70 series pre and AVR. I think they made some compromises in the amplifier section of the AVR to keep the price down. The cosmetic's from the picture that was posted on another forum have the new B&K line being fugly!

    It will be interesting to see whether us current B&K owners get a trade-in program or an add-on HDMI/audio decoder offered to us. Either way the lawsuit over their upgrade claims is most likely going to happen. Only the lawyers will win on that one!
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,559
    edited April 2008
    dkg999 wrote: »
    I'm more interested in the spec's of the new 70 series pre and AVR. I think they made some compromises in the amplifier section of the AVR to keep the price down. The cosmetic's from the picture that was posted on another forum have the new B&K line being fugly!

    It will be interesting to see whether us current B&K owners get a trade-in program or an add-on HDMI/audio decoder offered to us. Either way the lawsuit over their upgrade claims is most likely going to happen. Only the lawyers will win on that one!

    Huh, well in the past, B&K didn't do this. The avr is just as strong as there seperates and preamp just in one chassis. I'd like to see this.
    Dan
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  • Monster Jam
    Monster Jam Posts: 919
    edited April 2008
    One word: Zoloft.
    Do you hear that buzzing noise? :confused:
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,559
    edited April 2008
    Here is a early spec sheet. It was said at cedia last year that the ref70 will need to be flash software driven to have all the latest decoding. I believe this is the hold up. I assume they are including all processing in the preamp.

    http://www.bkcomp.com/fileadmin/content/content_products/cutsheets/home%20theater/REF70_cutsheet_031008.pdf

    I don't see ugly, I see exaclty what I expected from them. they have the same look since the ref 10/20/30/50 with little change. Structure still looks the same. I love the full balance and a built in am/fm tuner. But with all the analog changes , that may be removed or replaced . Who the hell knows, they are not speaking up.

    I hate waiting..
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited April 2008
    mantis wrote: »
    Huh, well in the past, B&K didn't do this. The avr is just as strong as there seperates and preamp just in one chassis. I'd like to see this.

    Mantis - lots of bad info out on the net, but I am hoping that they don't compromise on their previous designs when it comes to the AVR! The upgradability is a marketing claim, and hopefully there's a good resolution to it. In some of their markets those claims carry more weight with regulators than they do here in the US.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited April 2008
    I hope it doesn't really look like this! And note that the amp section has been reduced to 125 wpc.

    http://www.bkcomp.com/fileadmin/content/content_products/cutsheets/home%20theater/AVR707_cutsheet_031008.pdf
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • olilugo
    olilugo Posts: 405
    edited April 2008
    mantis, what is going to be the price for the new ref70?
    Current HT setup
    Mains: B&W 804s
    Center: Polk CSi5
    Surround: Polk FXi3
    Sub: Velodyne DLS-3750R
    Receiver: Pioneer SC-07
    Amplifier: Sunfire TGA5200
    TV: Sony KDS60A2020
    DBP: Sony DBP-S350
    CDP: Pioneer DV-48AV
    Interconnect cables: SignalCable analog II
    speaker cables: SignalCable Ultra Speaker Cables Bi-wire
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited April 2008
    I can't go on. I am too disturbed....where's that Zoloft?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited April 2008
    I'm going with another manufacturer next round.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited April 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I'm going with another manufacturer next round.

    Unfortunately, I can't put up a good argument. I have always wanted to be in a position to have B&K gear driving my HT, and now that I've accomplished that they are really disappointing me in their direction.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited April 2008
    I got three works for all ya all. GET A LIFE
    HT setup
    Panasonic 50" TH-50PZ80U
    Denon DBP-1610
    Monster HTS 1650
    Carver A400X :cool:
    MIT Exp 3 Speaker Wire
    Kef 104/2
    URC MX-780 Remote
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,559
    edited April 2008
    dkg999 wrote: »
    I hope it doesn't really look like this! And note that the amp section has been reduced to 125 wpc.

    http://www.bkcomp.com/fileadmin/content/content_products/cutsheets/home%20theater/AVR707_cutsheet_031008.pdf

    When I went to B&K in Buffalo NY, I got to see the Avr307 be built from the circuit board to a finished receiver. The preamp is the ref30. It's the same exact one. They just take it and put the st125.7 underneather it. There was a tweak to get it to output to 150 @ 8 ohms but it still only puts out 185@ 4ohms. This is the spec's of the st125.7 allday.

    The new avr707 at 125 @ 8 ohms I'm betting they left the st125.7 alone. It's still going to output at 185 @ 4 ohm load. I don't see the downgrade.

    Looks wise , it's fine to me. If you look at all the past receivers to this one, it's sutle changes with alot remaining the same. I also was told that was a prototype so the finished product may look slighty different. I'm not all the concerned with looks anyway. B&K over the years have fully proven itself to me that it can handle a wide spread of speakers and make them all sound great. Dynamic range and awesome headroom never was a problem. Popping and clicking when a digital signal change was the only thing I hated. No soft muting circuit. I hated that.
    Dan
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,559
    edited April 2008
    bigaudiofanatic wrote: »
    I got three works for all ya all. GET A LIFE

    You have room to talk?
    Dan
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited April 2008
    mantis wrote: »
    When I went to B&K in Buffalo NY, I got to see the Avr307 be built from the circuit board to a finished receiver. The preamp is the ref30. It's the same exact one. They just take it and put the st125.7 underneather it. There was a tweak to get it to output to 150 @ 8 ohms but it still only puts out 185@ 4ohms. This is the spec's of the st125.7 allday.

    The new avr707 at 125 @ 8 ohms I'm betting they left the st125.7 alone. It's still going to output at 185 @ 4 ohm load. I don't see the downgrade.

    Looks wise , it's fine to me. If you look at all the past receivers to this one, it's sutle changes with alot remaining the same. I also was told that was a prototype so the finished product may look slighty different. I'm not all the concerned with looks anyway. B&K over the years have fully proven itself to me that it can handle a wide spread of speakers and make them all sound great. Dynamic range and awesome headroom never was a problem. Popping and clicking when a digital signal change was the only thing I hated. No soft muting circuit. I hated that.

    The upgrade eliminates that popping issue and yes, it was annoying. The relays still click but no popping.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited April 2008
    I find The current REF50S2 to be stable and quiet. I don't think the new REF70 is a big deal, unless one needs to get into full DTS MA and Dolby TrueHD, which only a few HD titles have those. But, by this time next year, it might be time to consider REF70, just for the then features and trend at that time.
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited April 2008
    No multi-channel inputs stinks...instead I can have 8 Component Inputs and a bunch of IR routing that I'll never use. They could have cut back on some of that. They just don't fit my needs anymore since it's moreso a residential install unit at this point.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,996
    edited April 2008
    I like turtles!
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited April 2008
    I like my turtle chunked up, lightly breaded, and flash fried! Yummmy!

    Mantis - thanks for the enlightenment on the AVR amp section! Makes sense!

    Doro - agree on the input issue. No multichannel input, no upgrade for me.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,825
    edited April 2008
    The cutsheets for both the processor and receiver say that 5.1 analog inputs will be available, but the images don't show them. Will be interesting to see the final version when it hits market. I'm not sure the processor does much that the Onkyo/Integra preamp doesn't do.

    I'm still waiting for Parasound to put their P7 multichannel all analog preamp on the market...more than a year after it was supposed to hit the streets.
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  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited April 2008
    Ya I got room to talk I can be just fine listening to polk monitor 40's and a yamaha amp while people are complaining that they can not hear the one guy in the background clapping. Don't get me wrong I love listening to clean and clear music but come on now crying over something like this.LOL
    HT setup
    Panasonic 50" TH-50PZ80U
    Denon DBP-1610
    Monster HTS 1650
    Carver A400X :cool:
    MIT Exp 3 Speaker Wire
    Kef 104/2
    URC MX-780 Remote
    Sonos Play 1

    Living Room
    63 inch Samsung PN63C800YF
    Polk Surroundbar 3000
    Samsung BD-C7900
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited April 2008
    It's only a matter of time before the China made HDMI to analog new audio codec decoders hit the US market. So to me, having the new HD audio codecs decoding in the AVR isn't so important as having 5.1 or preferably 7.1 analog inputs. I'll take a better quality AVR with great SQ and build quality with multi-channel analog input, and let the new audio codecs be decoded either in the DVD player or by an external decoder.

    Now when the new Integra pre/pro ramps up in the market place, that may be an option to use with B&K power amps.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • toddco
    toddco Posts: 147
    edited April 2008
    I was planing on geting this new pre-pro so i can go hdmi to pre-pro and get all the latest
    HD sound decoding from PS3. B&K sound to help out the RTi line with B&K AMP or grand cinenova 7.1. This shoud still be a good path to take yes-no ?
    RTi12's:D
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    FXi5
    CSi3
    PB12+2 :cool:
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    Outlaw M200 x3
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited April 2008
    I think it depends on what actually hits shelves. This isn't a sparse category for fully functional AVR gear anymore.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • toddco
    toddco Posts: 147
    edited April 2008
    DO they have a new PRE-PRO coming out or is it just the AVR?
    RTi12's:D
    CSi5
    FXi5
    CSi3
    PB12+2 :cool:
    Sony STR-DA2ES
    Outlaw M200 x3
    SMS 1
    Signal Ultra
    Sig.2 Inters.
    PS 3
    Xbox360 Elite
    PHILLIPS 42" PLAS. 1080i
    Monster 5100 SS
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited April 2008
    Both....the cut sheets are posted above.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • toddco
    toddco Posts: 147
    edited April 2008
    They wont open up for me.
    RTi12's:D
    CSi5
    FXi5
    CSi3
    PB12+2 :cool:
    Sony STR-DA2ES
    Outlaw M200 x3
    SMS 1
    Signal Ultra
    Sig.2 Inters.
    PS 3
    Xbox360 Elite
    PHILLIPS 42" PLAS. 1080i
    Monster 5100 SS
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,559
    edited April 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    The upgrade eliminates that popping issue and yes, it was annoying. The relays still click but no popping.

    thats cool , so how is your(my) baby doing? have you taken good care of her? Has she taken good care of you? On some levels I miss her.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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