BR may have won the format war, but ......

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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited March 2008
    Hope all you want Ricardo, it won't happen. You shouldn't be pissed about HD-DVD, you knew when you bought in it could very well die.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,222
    edited March 2008
    I wanted to test the waters with HD movies and not break the bank. I also wanted a gaming system. Hence the reason I bought a PS3. I know that I could get a better machine to play BR, but for the amount that we use BR it does just fine. The other isue I have is that not enough movies are in BR making it that much less appealing. I know they are starting to make more BR movies, but we watch 99% SD dvd right now, upconverted either on my LG player or on the PS3. I guess I was more blown away when I first laid eyes on HD TV. That to me was amazing, just how clear everything was. Since my TV can't do 1080p and in my situation 1080p would not make a diff. BR movies were...hmmm this doesn't look any different then HD TV. My wife said, after watchng our firdt BR movie " I don't get what all the hype is about HD movies" I then explained to her the reason I thought we thought that way.
  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited March 2008
    I know that I could get a better machine to play BR...

    Not unless you wanted to spend 3x's the price. The PS3 is one of, if not, the best BD player out right now, for the price, it's also future proof. The only thing it cannot decode is DTS-MA and rumor is a firmware fix is coming for that.
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  • djlogix
    djlogix Posts: 115
    edited March 2008
    I have about 350-370 HD-DVD titles. I have 2-3 Blu-Ray titles and really when I have to, I'll buy a dual format player that does everything I want. I just pray LG isn't my only choice. For now, I started with HD-DVD, and I'll see it to the end. Understand, I support HD movies, but only up to a point.

    I'll start buying Blu Ray discs when they have (almost) all of the features I came to enjoy with my HD-DVD discs, but they are on the rise and there is potential for mass market appeal. The problem lies in the information given to the customer, BR is being pushed as the next best thing, but they need to get costs to that point where everyone can have High quality, at an affordable price. They know this, but I'm still a firm believer Sony is pushing a bit of arrogance. See : Trojan Horse. Whether or not it'll pay off for them will be seen in some time.

    4-5 year adoption rate is what was said. How I see it, they have a few years to get their **** right and get it together. They need to mass appeal to all the customers, including giving them alternatives in the CE market that are actually cost / performance effective. If it all goes right, we'll all be unified and HD movies will be upon us in a storm. The price of the media right now is the bad thing, but honestly, all media has had it's point of high prices.

    I for one would like to see any of the other early emerging techs come through in the next 5 years. Anything can happen and there are some better format technologies out there. While I support HD movies and am ok with BR moving it forward, I'd be a hypocrite and liar if I didn't say I hope someone moves in to take out the BDA. It's happened before in other markets and genres of tech, and some other companies are showing some promising formats.

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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited March 2008
    Willow wrote: »
    hmmm this doesn't look any different then HD TV.

    HD TV can look pretty good at times, certainly better than SD-DVD (upconverted or not), but HD/BD is still quite a lot better. The most noticeable difference is in dark scenes where you can see the compression clearly, just see how much of gray blocks you have in picture vs. solid "black". Compare that to the same scene in HD/BD disc...the blocks aren't there.
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited March 2008
    Ron-P wrote: »
    Hope all you want Ricardo, it won't happen. You shouldn't be pissed about HD-DVD, you knew when you bought in it could very well die.


    Yes, I knew it could die, I just never thought it would be so soon.

    I bought the wrong player. Of course I am pissed; why would anyone that bought HD-DVD NOT be pissed? Whoever says that they are happy with their upconverting player that takes forever to start up and load discs.....well, I don't think they are being completely honest. They know that from now on they either watch new releases in STD DVD's, or buy a Blu Ray.

    I'm pissed.
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited March 2008
    djlogix wrote: »
    I have about 350-370 HD-DVD titles. I have 2-3

    Waaa? I didn't even know they made that many. Do you have every HD-DVD created? I would love to see a pic of your collection.

    I was never all that impressed with HD-DVD or Blu-Ray either, but all I have seen it on is cheap LCDs. I don't feel a need for anything better then dvd, but am only using a 34in.
  • djlogix
    djlogix Posts: 115
    edited March 2008
    Gaara wrote: »
    Waaa? I didn't even know they made that many. Do you have every HD-DVD created? I would love to see a pic of your collection.

    I was never all that impressed with HD-DVD or Blu-Ray either, but all I have seen it on is cheap LCDs. I don't feel a need for anything better then dvd, but am only using a 34in.

    Alot of imports. The NA catalog is around 300-350 if I'm correct and I've imported close to 150 Anime, feature film or documentaries HD-DVD users wouldn't otherwise be able to have without those companies.

    http://www.satelliteguys.us/hd-dvd-forum/51497-list-hd-dvd-titles.html

    The rest of my movies like I said were imported that I couldn't get on the North American market. Xploited, DVDTown, HDMovieSource (they're now clear of all catalog)
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited March 2008
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Of course I am pissed; why would anyone that bought HD-DVD NOT be pissed? Whoever says that they are happy with their upconverting player that takes forever to start up and load discs.....well, I don't think they are being completely honest. T

    I'm certainly disappointed, but it's not like those things cost a fortune. I paid something like 150 for my A2. I guess if I dropped the real coin on one of the higher-end machines I'd go into the pissed camp, but 150? C'mon. A good night on the town costs more than that.

    Also, while the A2 takes a LONG time to start up, loading time for standard discs is no different than my Pioneer that it replaced :

    Toshiba HD-A2
    Boot time (from power button press to logo / ability to eject) : 31 seconds
    Load time, standard DVD (from pressing eject button to close drawer to DVD play) : 11.1 seconds
    Load time, HD-DVD (see above) : 20 seconds

    Pioneer DVP-578A (standard DVD player)
    Boot time : < 5 seconds
    Load time, standard DVD : 10.5 seconds
    Load time, HD-DVD : N/A
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited March 2008
    I paid $385 for the A-35, so as you would expect, I am pissed.
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited March 2008
    I do have a 1080P native Mits DLP. BR is a noticeable sometimes awesome improvement of the Oppo 980. However, some content, while better, just doesn't seem to matter. I initially thought the S300 was a poor upconverter, but my tune has changed. Color depth and black levels are slightly better than the Oppo. POTC, especially 2 & 3 are eye poppers in 1080P, so for those that don't notice the difference, it's got to be either the set or calibration. The cheap Sony has the long load time issues, but it's worth the wait once the movie starts.

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    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited March 2008
    The larger screen you have the more you notice the improved detail, simple as that. I have a bud over here with a 42 inch plasma paired with a crappy dvd player and everything you play in is right there on Hi Def quality, sometimes it amazes me.
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  • djlogix
    djlogix Posts: 115
    edited March 2008
    I love my 65" DLP and 60" Kuro. I don't think I'd ever get rid of the two, at least until the LDLP's come out :cool:
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2008
    I'm getting the idea that with my 46" LCD panel, that it limits the impact of BR over good upconverted SD DVD. I'm really OK with that, as I have no immediate need to buy a BR player and can wait for the newer players to hit the market and hopefully for the prices to come down some.
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited March 2008
    At the BB near me, they demo BRs on the Samsung 1080p/120 sets. Even with a 42" screen, it's almost 3D. I'm not sure I'd like it in my home, but it sure catches your eye in the store.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
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    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
  • djlogix
    djlogix Posts: 115
    edited March 2008
    Those 120hz screens are hit and miss. It looks entirely unrealistic to myself and I have to laugh whenever I'm over there watching and some kid trys "prove" to me why the XBR5's or the Sammy 71F's are better then my Kuro Elite or DLP.

    They look nice, but they can also look entirely fake in normal viewing after you play with the color, brightness and contrast. Then it's not so breathtaking when out of torch mode.
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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited March 2008
    Ricardo wrote: »
    I paid $385 for the A-35, so as you would expect, I am pissed.


    Beat ya. I paid $525 for my HD-A1, picked it up before the players even offically were supposed to street. Am I pissed, nope. It's just part of the cost of being an early adopter. I bet I couldn't sell that thing for $50 now.
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