Need More power...My Receiver Sucks!

andrew_mac
andrew_mac Posts: 95
edited February 2008 in Electronics
OK so I've come to realize that my Yamaha HTR-5750 Just can't power my set up AT ALL! It was ok at first when I had just the A5's and Using one A1 for a center but now that I have the A6 and the whole set up in 5.1 it's bogged down bad. It basically powers the A6 ok but all other speakers are pretty dead.

I know this is a really bad thing to have going on here so I have been keeping the volumes down.

Heres the thing, I have 0 cash. In fact these speakers aren't even paid for yet. so I need to find a cheap receiver to get me buy till the summer. I'm not willing to wait. I need something to tie me over. The sound is just too bad.

I'm willing to go with out HDMI switching for now. I'm thinking HK 630. Would this have enough power to get my speakers talking at least?

Any suggestions?
Primary - HT
Secondary -Music

Thanks in Advance!
Front - RtiA5's
Surround - RtiA1's
Center - CsiA6
Sub - Velodyne DPS12
B&K Ref 50 Pre
Amp - B&K AV5000 II
Ben's Silver IC's
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,234
    edited February 2008
    why not buy a lower end say 3XX series and buy a used external amp?
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  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited February 2008
    Millerman has a HK 635 for $325 + shipping. I have one, and it's more than adequate.

    Do you have preouts? Even a 2 channel $200 used amp would take some strain off the receiver and open things up.

    Are all the speakers set to small and calibrated properly? The velo should handle all the low frequencies so the Yammie shouldn't be too bogged down.
    Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
    Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,234
    edited February 2008
    AndyGwis wrote: »
    Millerman has a HK 635 for $325 + shipping. I have one, and it's more than adequate..

    I know I so want that, but I'm happy with my 335 plus my 3monoblocks...but it's such a good deal won't fly with my wife
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,477
    edited February 2008
    I think you should look into the Pioneer Elite vsx94txh receiver. It's a beautiful receiver with plenty of power and nice matching sound quality for the speakers you own. Not to mention have all the current processing and 4 1.3a hdmi switching/processing with Sacd and DVD audio processing via HDMI. Allday.
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  • andrew_mac
    andrew_mac Posts: 95
    edited February 2008
    Willow wrote: »
    I know I so want that, but I'm happy with my 335 plus my 3monoblocks...but it's such a good deal won't fly with my wife

    Is there a post for this? Can you send me a link is so?
    Front - RtiA5's
    Surround - RtiA1's
    Center - CsiA6
    Sub - Velodyne DPS12
    B&K Ref 50 Pre
    Amp - B&K AV5000 II
    Ben's Silver IC's
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  • andrew_mac
    andrew_mac Posts: 95
    edited February 2008
    mantis wrote: »
    I think you should look into the Pioneer Elite vsx94txh receiver. It's a beautiful receiver with plenty of power and nice matching sound quality for the speakers you own. Not to mention have all the current processing and 4 1.3a hdmi switching/processing with Sacd and DVD audio processing via HDMI. Allday.

    I couldn't agree more. That is the exact receiver I plan to buy this summer. Just can't afford it right now.
    Front - RtiA5's
    Surround - RtiA1's
    Center - CsiA6
    Sub - Velodyne DPS12
    B&K Ref 50 Pre
    Amp - B&K AV5000 II
    Ben's Silver IC's
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  • andrew_mac
    andrew_mac Posts: 95
    edited February 2008
    AndyGwis wrote: »
    Millerman has a HK 635 for $325 + shipping. I have one, and it's more than adequate.

    Do you have preouts? Even a 2 channel $200 used amp would take some strain off the receiver and open things up.

    Are all the speakers set to small and calibrated properly? The velo should handle all the low frequencies so the Yammie shouldn't be too bogged down.

    No preouts. Everything is set to small, Xover is at 80hz for all speakers, velo takes the rest. Yamaha brightness all day.....makes my ears bleed. I turned the treble down -4 but I find that helps a bit but sound quality is slightly compromised.
    Front - RtiA5's
    Surround - RtiA1's
    Center - CsiA6
    Sub - Velodyne DPS12
    B&K Ref 50 Pre
    Amp - B&K AV5000 II
    Ben's Silver IC's
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,234
    edited February 2008
    andrew_mac wrote: »
    Is there a post for this? Can you send me a link is so?

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62090
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited February 2008
    getting a better used receiver is a great idea till you can afford the one you want... even if the used receiver doesn't have all the bells and whistles.. they can be had usually for a good bargain.
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  • andrew_mac
    andrew_mac Posts: 95
    edited February 2008
    Thanks a lot fellow Polkmen!
    Front - RtiA5's
    Surround - RtiA1's
    Center - CsiA6
    Sub - Velodyne DPS12
    B&K Ref 50 Pre
    Amp - B&K AV5000 II
    Ben's Silver IC's
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,234
    edited February 2008
    add these 3 and you're golden:

    Bonus, it's in Canada

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Marantz-MA500-MA500U-Mono-Amplifier-THX-Approved_W0QQitemZ290203197669QQihZ019QQcategoryZ67786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    No affil.
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  • andrew_mac
    andrew_mac Posts: 95
    edited February 2008
    Willow wrote: »
    add these 3 and you're golden:

    Bonus, it's in Canada

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Marantz-MA500-MA500U-Mono-Amplifier-THX-Approved_W0QQitemZ290203197669QQihZ019QQcategoryZ67786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    No affil.

    Wow... nice find. I think when I upgrade to amp/s I'm just gonna get the one 5 channel amp though. I'd like to get a B&K or a Parasound. Not gonna waste time fooling around once I go that route. Can't wait! What are your thoughts on that?
    Thanks again
    Front - RtiA5's
    Surround - RtiA1's
    Center - CsiA6
    Sub - Velodyne DPS12
    B&K Ref 50 Pre
    Amp - B&K AV5000 II
    Ben's Silver IC's
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,234
    edited February 2008
    seems like a good one, I really like my Marantz MA700, they are sweet amps.
    don't be fooled by the monoblock and the 125w on the Ma500
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  • andrew_mac
    andrew_mac Posts: 95
    edited February 2008
    Hmm...I'll keep that in mind. Maybe I don't need to have the surrounds amped. They should have plenty of power from the avr if it's a 635 or a elite 94. It Should be a cheaper route to go too.

    The brightness, harshness, lack of med and bass from my receiver really makes me sad. I just bought all these speakers and I know they don't sound anything like they can or should.

    See I bought a little Polk set (RM6500 with P303 I think) like 5 years ago and Future Shop had this receiver packaged with it. I asked them when I bought it if I could upgrade the receiver and just pay the diff. Of course not. ****.....
    Front - RtiA5's
    Surround - RtiA1's
    Center - CsiA6
    Sub - Velodyne DPS12
    B&K Ref 50 Pre
    Amp - B&K AV5000 II
    Ben's Silver IC's
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,234
    edited February 2008
    I went form a yamaha rxv540 to my HK 335 big difference , then I added the amps bigger better difference.

    Oh and maybe you could sell your receiver, take what you can get for it to help fund you new one or some amps.
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  • Monster Jam
    Monster Jam Posts: 919
    edited February 2008
    andrew_mac wrote: »
    Heres the thing, I have 0 cash. In fact these speakers aren't even paid for yet.

    We know where THAT federal stimulus check is going!!!:p
    Do you hear that buzzing noise? :confused:
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  • andrew_mac
    andrew_mac Posts: 95
    edited February 2008
    yeah I have that Polk set here too. Maybe I can sell it all.
    Front - RtiA5's
    Surround - RtiA1's
    Center - CsiA6
    Sub - Velodyne DPS12
    B&K Ref 50 Pre
    Amp - B&K AV5000 II
    Ben's Silver IC's
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  • andrew_mac
    andrew_mac Posts: 95
    edited February 2008
    Monster Jam wrote: »
    We know where THAT federal stimulus check is going!!!:p

    ugh... indeed:rolleyes:
    Front - RtiA5's
    Surround - RtiA1's
    Center - CsiA6
    Sub - Velodyne DPS12
    B&K Ref 50 Pre
    Amp - B&K AV5000 II
    Ben's Silver IC's
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  • andrew_mac
    andrew_mac Posts: 95
    edited February 2008
    AndyGwis wrote: »
    Millerman has a HK 635 for $325 + shipping. I have one, and it's more than adequate.

    Do you have preouts? Even a 2 channel $200 used amp would take some strain off the receiver and open things up.

    Are all the speakers set to small and calibrated properly? The velo should handle all the low frequencies so the Yammie shouldn't be too bogged down.

    Does your Hk 635 have the software upgrade? If so what does it do? Doesn't say on the HK web site...at least that I could find.
    Front - RtiA5's
    Surround - RtiA1's
    Center - CsiA6
    Sub - Velodyne DPS12
    B&K Ref 50 Pre
    Amp - B&K AV5000 II
    Ben's Silver IC's
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  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited February 2008
    You can upgrade the software using the RS232 port or whatever. They have firmware available online. You can even control the receiver while it's hooked up to your computer, which is kind of cool. . . but also kind of pointless. Mic for calibration is a great tool, I think the firmware improved the EZEQ or something. There's like a 70 page thread on AVS forum for all the info you could ever want.

    I did it the first month I owned the receiver to make sure it was current, or current enough. I've never had an issue with anything so haven't bothered to upgrade it again.
    Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
    Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850
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  • Mauskar
    Mauskar Posts: 104
    edited February 2008
    AndyGwis wrote: »
    Millerman has a HK 635 for $325 + shipping. I have one, and it's more than adequate.

    Do you have preouts? Even a 2 channel $200 used amp would take some strain off the receiver and open things up.

    Are all the speakers set to small and calibrated properly? The velo should handle all the low frequencies so the Yammie shouldn't be too bogged down.


    A $200 used 2 channel amp? Where is this?!
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited February 2008
    I'm sure someone could snag these up for less, two Outlaw monoblocks.

    http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1207028227
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  • Braddles
    Braddles Posts: 228
    edited February 2008
    Have a look for a used Cambridge Audio 640R. All reviews say the same thing: Great for those who want the best from their movies and music. I m running my Monitor 12s (can take 400 wpc) with mine and it pushes them along.
    2 Channel
    Amp - Jas Audio Bravo 3.2 set
    Power Cord - Tunami GPX
    CDP - Marantz cd6002 - Audio gd Ref 5 Dac
    Speakers - Tekton Lore,Polk Audio RTA11tl completely refreshed.
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  • bikerboy
    bikerboy Posts: 1,231
    edited February 2008
    Hi,
    I have a B&K st 202 for sale in the flea market for $275 plus shipping. That would help a lot.:)
    Main system: Lyngdorf TDAI-2170 w Polk LSiM 703/ Pioneer 42" plasma w Flex Streamer, Sangaen HDT-1tuner
    Vinyl: Nothingham Spacedeck->Pioneer PL L1000 linear arm->Soundsmith DL 103R w Contact line stylus->SUT->
    Bottlehead Eros
    Digital: I7 PC w/ Jriver playing flac -> Sonore Ultrarendu -> Twisted Pair Audio ESS 9028 w/ Mercury IVY
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  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited February 2008
    Andrew Mac - if you're buying the HK 635, I think you've made a very wise choice.

    Mauskar - there are plenty of decent stereo amps for $200. I've seen some B&K st-140s, some Adcom 535/545, etc. for those types of prices. Carver tfm-15cbs can be had for that amount as well, or even 2 TFM-6cbs (which were my first power amps).

    Bikerboy has a good price on his st-202. I bought one for $370 shipped a couple years ago and that was a pretty decent deal in my mind.
    Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
    Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850
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  • lakesailor
    lakesailor Posts: 319
    edited February 2008
    I vote for the HK AVR 635. Don't be fooled by the rather conservative 75 rms/ch rating...the 635 can put out 50 amps of instantaneous high-current amplification!. It is the hi-current that really shines for H/T and gaming systems. The Pioneer Elite’s may have more HP but they lack the serious torque of the H/K’s.

    I have both an AVR 635 and a Pioneer Elite the 635 has the best sound by far.
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited February 2008
    lakesailor,

    While I don't disagree that the HK sounds full and has heft I was curious. 35 amps of current; that's alot. Do you have any idea how much wattage that would be too a speaker at 8 ohms? The math doesn't add up. But it's a great sounding receiver.

    PS. My Krell might put out 10 amps of power at full dynamic range. I noticed you stated the HK can output 50. Most interesting.
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  • lakesailor
    lakesailor Posts: 319
    edited February 2008
    see the below post...
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  • lakesailor
    lakesailor Posts: 319
    edited February 2008
    Here are the specs for the AVR....

    http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.aspx?Region=USA&Country=CA&Language=ENG&cat=REC&ser=&prod=AVR%20645&sType=C

    H/K states 50 amps.
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited February 2008
    HK does talk about > 50 amps of instantaneous current available...that's stored power available for for millisecond peaks...;)

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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