SPL meter ??

NeilGabriel
NeilGabriel Posts: 1,487
edited January 2008 in Electronics
I was looking at articles on SPL meters and one suggested that it was best to get one that gave readings at different frequency levels. If I am only setting channel volumes based upon test tones, do I need something with this ability? Thanks.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2008
    Not sure I understand this; any SPL meter will give you the Sound Pressure Level of the sound, no matter what the frequency is..... If you want measures at different frequencies, then you get a CD of test tones at different frequencies, and use the same SPL.

    Measuring at different frequencies is usually used to test frequency response of speakers/room, blend subwoofers, etc.

    For channel calibration, you do not need different frequencies; the test tones of the AVR will be enough (and you can use the Radio Shack SPL meter).
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited January 2008
    All you need is a basic RS meter like Ricardo suggested. This is the one I have, and the analog meter is great for precise readings.
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  • jwhitakr
    jwhitakr Posts: 568
    edited January 2008
    One point of clarification ... I have always understood that if you are using the analog Radioshack SPL meter, there is a set of corrections that need to be made at certain frequencies. For example, the low frequencies always show up low on the SPL meter and you need to add a few db's to the readings in order to actually have the same SPL across the frequency band.

    There are quite a few correction tables on the web and I've read this from a number of people on a number of different forums. I've always used the correction table when I calibrated ...
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited January 2008
    I have both the analog and digital version of the shack meter....never far :)
    In this pic as a matter of fact.....I think what you were referring to was the A and C weighting...not just DB level alone but the frequency spectrum included in the measurment.


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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited January 2008
    Totally. I used the C weighting, and I just worry about main speakers for making sure the volume is equal. I adjust the subs with my ear because I think that is easier then charts and what-not.
  • jakelm
    jakelm Posts: 4,081
    edited January 2008
    zingo wrote: »
    Totally. I used the C weighting, and I just worry about main speakers for making sure the volume is equal. I adjust the subs with my ear because I think that is easier then charts and what-not.

    +1

    The only thing I found the SPL meter good for in regaurds of subs, is Fr sweeps peaks and nulls and phase callibration, But the ear is used in "blending" the sub with the rest of the system. Although my HK EzEq does a good just at callibration. But I always go back and check.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2008
    I have the Rat Shack digital. I set it to "c weighted" on slow response. It works very well. I like the digital over the analog for the slow response setting, and it is easier to record on paper the readings you get in a sweep. Also check SVS website for calibration on the lower frequencies. Both meters are off up to about 12db at the lower end.

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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited January 2008
    One of the HT calibration DVDs can really help too.
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2008
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2008
    For the tweakers there is a relatively easy modifcation available for the rat shack meters that give them flat response to 20hz so that correction tables are not needed.If anyone is interested I will dig up the link.I did the mod on my old analog unit and it worked as intended.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2008
    Here is the procedure for the old analog meter. http://mysite.verizon.net/tammie_eric/audio/rsmeter/33-2050/33-2050.html
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2008
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Here is the procedure for the old analog meter. http://mysite.verizon.net/tammie_eric/audio/rsmeter/33-2050/33-2050.html

    Sweet link.
    I still like the SVS correction table. Its easier than modding a stock meter, but if you are into a lot of DIY projects curing the swing at higher frequencies sure would be nice:)

    BTW the digital, and analog are only a $5 difference.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited January 2008
    Thanks for the link GV#27. I will look into that.
  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2008
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Sweet link.
    There is also mods for 2 other RS units.
    I still like the SVS correction table. Its easier than modding a stock meter, but if you are into a lot of DIY projects curing the swing at higher frequencies sure would be nice:)
    I like to be able and take a direct reading from the meter and write it down instead of having to add a correction factor.

    I use these test tones http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm from the Real Traps site because they are in 1hz steps from 10hz to 300hz.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2008
    GV#27 wrote: »
    I like to be able and take a direct reading from the meter and write it down instead of having to add a correction factor.

    Yes tis a mild inconvenience. I use an excel spread sheet to help in that department. I will look into the mod for the digital though. I need better/stable readings in the 2000-3500 range.

    Thanks
    Ben
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2008
    GV you da man!

    http://mysite.verizon.net/tammie_eric/audio/rsmeter/33-2055/33-2055.html

    Thanks Much. I have to get my read on!
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2008
    ben62670 wrote: »
    I will look into the mod for the digital though. I need better/stable readings in the 2000-3500 range.

    Thanks
    Ben
    I did not do the hi frequency mod on mine yet, but yeh it would be great to have the ability to do accurate measurements when do crossover design.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2008
    ben62670 wrote: »

    Thanks Much.
    Ben
    Your welcome Ben.
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited January 2008
    ben62670 wrote: »
    GV you da man!

    http://mysite.verizon.net/tammie_eric/audio/rsmeter/33-2055/33-2055.html

    Thanks Much. I have to get my read on!
    Ben

    X2 for GV...I have my analog meter modded but I didnt know you could do the digital version...gonna be done now....thanks :)
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,806
    edited January 2008
    If anyone is interested, you can still get the old RS analog meter that the mod article refers to. Cheap too:

    http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92282
  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2008
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    If anyone is interested, you can still get the old RS analog meter that the mod article refers to. Cheap too:

    http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92282
    Wow good find.
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  • NeilGabriel
    NeilGabriel Posts: 1,487
    edited January 2008
    These meters say they have various ranges, e.g., 7, is this a setting for distance from source?
  • jwhitakr
    jwhitakr Posts: 568
    edited January 2008
    These meters say they have various ranges, e.g., 7, is this a setting for distance from source?

    No, the analog models have a -10 to +10 range where the little pointer thingie moves back and forth... and then you have to set the SPL meter to the range that you are trying to measure. e.g. set it to '7' to measure from 60-80 dB, set it to '8' to measure 70-90 dB, etc.
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  • jakelm
    jakelm Posts: 4,081
    edited January 2008
    These meters say they have various ranges, e.g., 7, is this a setting for distance from source?

    dB ranges, not distance. Like jw said, but I think mine is -10/+6 isnt it?
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  • jwhitakr
    jwhitakr Posts: 568
    edited January 2008
    jakelm wrote: »
    dB ranges, not distance. Like jw said, but I think mine is -10/+6 isnt it?

    Yup, you are right ... it is -10/+6. Leave it to Radioshack to come up with such a nonsensical +/- range. :)
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