Odyssey Stratos Extreme Monoblocks . . .

Caps charge in milliseconds. In the case of an amp, they are constantly charging and dis-charging while playing music. So the idea that it can take hours (or even days) to fully charge is ridiculous.

I can't think of anything else in an amp that needs to "charge".

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Caps charge in milliseconds. In the case of an amp, they are constantly charging and dis-charging while playing music. So the idea that it can take hours (or even days) to fully charge is ridiculous.

Please allow me to say that this statement is ridiculous WilliamM2. I am experiencing sonic changes with each passing hour. Have you any experience with this amp?

Please keep comments to things you actually have experience with.

I've experienced this with the Rega CDP [over two weeks], certain amps [days to weeks] and many folks have experienced this with tubes, CDP's, amps, certain IC's and PC's. Though you may not hear it, we do. As I've said before, everybody can't be wrong.

Calm down treitz,
I have experienced equipment that sounds better after warming up as well. Probably due to the fact that the values of some components will change with temperature.

I was specifically refering to his claim that caps can take hours, or even days to charge fully. It's ****, plain and simple. If it were true, every time the cap discharged, which they do constantly, it would be days before the sound returned to normal.

You guys all tend to think there is some kind of "magic" in electronics. There isn't.

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Calm down treitz,
I have experienced equipment that sounds better after warming up as well. Probably due to the fact that the values of some components will change with temperature.

I was specifically refering to his claim that caps can take hours, or even days to charge fully. It's ****, plain and simple. If it were true, every time the cap discharged, which they do constantly, it would be days before the sound returned to normal.

You guys all tend to think there is some kind of "magic" in electronics. There isn't.

We don't need to get hung up on the terms, "charge" and "discharge," but what I hear folks saying is caps (and perhaps other parts of the amp) need time to break in and remain so. With the Odyssey, it appears to take longer than most other amps for reasons unknown.

I made the mistake of being too hasty when I bought a Stratos from George Daniel and didn't wait long enough for the amp to break in before making a judgment about its sound quality.

Patience is rewarded with this amp.

We don't need to get hung up on the terms, "charge" and "discharge," but what I hear folks saying is caps (and perhaps other parts of the amp) need time to break in and remain so. With the Odyssey, it appears to take longer than most other amps for reasons unknown.

I wasn't talking about break in. This is the original text I quoted:

Even after the initial break-in period, the internal components lose their charge each time the unit is turned off. The full re-charging can take hours (and sometimes days!).

After break in.

SolidSqual wrote: »

. . . I just pulled the trigger after an hour long phone call with Klaus. His Customer service is as impeccable as people say, but has to be experienced to be believed. I got all the new boards with upgraded wiring and all the other goodies he could throw at it!

January 26th is the delivery date. He's going to drop them off at my apartment himself! This is sick.

Sorry Mark, I know you don't like what I've done, but at least I'm not trading my Adagios for Tylers!

Back to the topic.........

William, currently I am enjoying crap for sound. It was better yesterday. This is for real. I have no problem with you, however this is a thread about Odyssey amps, not caps and how they change the sound or how they charge.

Hence the "tread Hi-jack" comment.

Now, can we stay on topic?

....drinking one as we speak. Thanks!

+1
Take a pill treitz3

SolidSqual wrote: »

Ok. . . Odyssey. I'm giving Klaus a call to find out what exactly gets charged up when the amps been unplugged for a while.

Nothing gets charged when the amps are unplugged....;)

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Do a little reading on caps while your at it. Learn how they work, and what they do.

Thanks for the links there William, but I'm quite sure that I'm well versed on caps as I have maintained and verified their effectiveness and capabilities both in the professional portrait photography studios you have probably had your pictures taken at and in the micrographics / storage data industry.

What they teach you in school and what you read is one thing. Reality is another. This is very measurable concerning performance and could yield a certain component -or- a 75' long, 3/4 of a million dollar machine inoperable because the end result does not meet the requirements.

Caps can be weird beasts and sometimes, believe it or not can have there own personality. Age, temperature, build, and usage [draining and recharging] all can have it's way with a particular cap....not all caps, but most certainly with the larger caps. Especially the ones that can kill you with one slip. This has and can be measurable when put under an actual load and not just the test bench.

That said, I tried to RE-rail this subject off of WilliamM2's statements of "****" and "magic" [Trolling] so that we could talk about the thread subject, which is Odyssey amps.

My Odyssey is starting to sound sweeeeeeeet, much better than the first day and nothing like last night. Last night there was an over-ponderance of the upper lows and lower mids that was driving me crazy. The highest frequencies are starting to sound wonderful and it seems as if the entire spectrum is smoothing out. So, day 1= one sound. Day 2= another sound. Day 3, yet another sound. Hmmm, just like the Rega Apollo....just quicker on the Odyssey with sonic changes.

Eh, certain songs and genre. Others get taken out quickly. Right now, KT Tunstall, "Eye to the Telescope" sounds schweeet.

Man, you're getting all kinds of new goodies!