Two Pass Labs Preamps: X0.2 vs. X1
DarqueKnight
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Introduction
One of Sinter Klaus' elves, dressed in brown, recently dropped off my end-of-the-year audio reward. Although I haven't always been good this year, I have been very good at not getting caught.;)

Figure 1. I like the way Pass Labs puts a couple of large stickers on their
shipping boxes announcing the box contents along with serial numbers.:rolleyes:
I actually intended to get an X0.2 last year, but I took the advice of my dealer and got the X1 because, according to him, the X0.2 was twice the money [footnote 1] but just a little bit better. He said that he had listened extensively to the X1 and X0.2 and that the X0.2 was only somewhat better-- lower noise, better imaging, slightly better bass and treble. Nevertheless, he uses an X0.2 in his personal audio system.
The dealer advised that it would be better to get the X1 and live with it for a while in order to better gauge if the upgrade was worth the price. If I decided to upgrade at a later date, I would receive a generous trade-in allowance.
Another fellow gave this candid comment when asked if there was a substantial difference between the X1 and the X0.2:
It's a matter of opinion. The 0.2 is better, but it does cost twice as much, and it does not sound twice as good.Nelson Pass
A well known audio reviewer expressed similar thoughts after comparing the X1 to the X0.2's predecessor, the X0:
"I did not find significant sonic differences between the X0 which I believe is true state of the art and the X1. The X0 is just a bit quieter; you can listen a bit deeper into the sound floor; and the deep bass may be just a bit better. In a truly quiet room, the X0 fades a touch more into the background, and may also be a little faster and more detailed, particularly on really complex and demanding musical material.
Both the X1 and X0 had the kind of air and natural harmonic sweetness you normally hear from tube preamps and from a handful of transistor designs. Both also had the kind of dynamic life I associate more with tubes."Anthony Cordesman, February/March 2001 issue of The Absolute Sound
Mr. Cordesman obviously believed the X0 was worth the extra money because he used one in one of his reference systems for several years. He subsequently upgraded to the X0.2 when it became available.:)
Competent, informed counsel is a useful thing to have. Personal experience is even better. After living with the X1 for over a year, I decided it was time to take a personal look at the X0.2. I was thinking that a monoblock preamp would be a great complement to my monoblock power amps...and I was right!

Figure 2. My X0.2 preamp made it through the UPS system without
being abused or pilfered. It's true: Miracles still happen.

Figure 3. The X0.2 offers more input/output facilities than the X1.
I only plan to use two of the inputs and one of the outputs.
The Sound
I expected that the X0.2's triple chassis design, with separate chassis for the left and right channel circuitry, would provide better imaging and soundstaging performance. I was not disapppointed. In fact, I was thrilled. To summarize, the X0.2 provided the following performance improvements over the X1:
1. A little more detail throughout, particularly in the bass. On some songs I noticed little details that I hadn't heard before. If I had to quantify things, I would say the treble and midrange is 10% better (more detailed) and the bass is 25% better with more impact in addition to more detail.
2. I had more of a sense of bass sounds vibrating through my listening chair and body with the X0.2.
3. Piano notes were more percussive with more overtones and natural decay.
4. Stringed instruments had more overtones, weight, and fluidity.
5. While there was not a 2X price/performance correlation for the X0.2's improvements in detail and clarity over the X1, I did realize a spectacular improvement in soundstage 3-dimensionality and weight. I also gained a little more soundstage width and depth. The width of the soundstage increased about a foot (sometimes more, depending on the recording) on each side and the depth increased about three feet. Also, the weight and solidity of images at the outer edges and rear of the soundstage increased dramatically. This difference in soundstage rendering was even more apparent when listening to my analog source. If I had different and/or smaller speakers and listening preferences, I probably would not have been as impressed with the X0.2's spatial rendering qualities. I believe that I received my 2X money's worth in the X0.2's soundstaging and imaging properties alone, therefore I am very happy.:D:D:D:D:D
My euphoria over the X0.2 notwithstanding, I was still very reluctant to trade in my X1, even though I had no immediate use for it. I let it sit on my dining room table for a few days while I stared at it and tried to rationalize keeping it. Eventually, it was shipped back to the dealer. My self-imposed rule against hoarding gear sometimes extracts a heavy emotional toll. However, it didn't make sense to have that much cash tied up in my audio closet when it could be put to better use in my cable upgrade fund [footnote 2].:)
Conclusion
My two channel upgrade project, which began in 2003, is nearing completion [footnote 3]. I have a few more cables to evaluate and I have to construct an AI-1 non-common ground interface so that I can evaluate a couple of power amps I'm interested in. I have already requested a quote from Avel-Lindberg for a custom toroidal transformer with the specifications given by Matthew Polk. I expect to have the AI-1 project completed by the end of this month. With regard to cables and amps, I am not so sure that I will be able to find "better" for (what I consider to be) a reasonable amount of money. I know I can always find something "different". One of the power amps I am considering, the Pass Labs X600.5, does some things better than the JC 1's, but it also comes with some inconveniences and performance tradeoffs...but that is a subject for another thread.

Figure 4. The X0.2 made it home in time for the holidays. Such Good Sound.
Footnotes
[1] MSRP of the X0.2 is $10,000. MSRP of the X1 is $5995. Mint condition used units typically sell for 50% of MSRP.
[2] Cable evaluations are an ongoing thing with me. Sort of like a hobby within a hobby.:)
[3] Product research and evaluation began in January of 2003. Hardware acquisition began in July of 2006.
One of Sinter Klaus' elves, dressed in brown, recently dropped off my end-of-the-year audio reward. Although I haven't always been good this year, I have been very good at not getting caught.;)

Figure 1. I like the way Pass Labs puts a couple of large stickers on their
shipping boxes announcing the box contents along with serial numbers.:rolleyes:
I actually intended to get an X0.2 last year, but I took the advice of my dealer and got the X1 because, according to him, the X0.2 was twice the money [footnote 1] but just a little bit better. He said that he had listened extensively to the X1 and X0.2 and that the X0.2 was only somewhat better-- lower noise, better imaging, slightly better bass and treble. Nevertheless, he uses an X0.2 in his personal audio system.
The dealer advised that it would be better to get the X1 and live with it for a while in order to better gauge if the upgrade was worth the price. If I decided to upgrade at a later date, I would receive a generous trade-in allowance.
Another fellow gave this candid comment when asked if there was a substantial difference between the X1 and the X0.2:
It's a matter of opinion. The 0.2 is better, but it does cost twice as much, and it does not sound twice as good.Nelson Pass
A well known audio reviewer expressed similar thoughts after comparing the X1 to the X0.2's predecessor, the X0:
"I did not find significant sonic differences between the X0 which I believe is true state of the art and the X1. The X0 is just a bit quieter; you can listen a bit deeper into the sound floor; and the deep bass may be just a bit better. In a truly quiet room, the X0 fades a touch more into the background, and may also be a little faster and more detailed, particularly on really complex and demanding musical material.
Both the X1 and X0 had the kind of air and natural harmonic sweetness you normally hear from tube preamps and from a handful of transistor designs. Both also had the kind of dynamic life I associate more with tubes."Anthony Cordesman, February/March 2001 issue of The Absolute Sound
Mr. Cordesman obviously believed the X0 was worth the extra money because he used one in one of his reference systems for several years. He subsequently upgraded to the X0.2 when it became available.:)
Competent, informed counsel is a useful thing to have. Personal experience is even better. After living with the X1 for over a year, I decided it was time to take a personal look at the X0.2. I was thinking that a monoblock preamp would be a great complement to my monoblock power amps...and I was right!

Figure 2. My X0.2 preamp made it through the UPS system without
being abused or pilfered. It's true: Miracles still happen.

Figure 3. The X0.2 offers more input/output facilities than the X1.
I only plan to use two of the inputs and one of the outputs.
The Sound
I expected that the X0.2's triple chassis design, with separate chassis for the left and right channel circuitry, would provide better imaging and soundstaging performance. I was not disapppointed. In fact, I was thrilled. To summarize, the X0.2 provided the following performance improvements over the X1:
1. A little more detail throughout, particularly in the bass. On some songs I noticed little details that I hadn't heard before. If I had to quantify things, I would say the treble and midrange is 10% better (more detailed) and the bass is 25% better with more impact in addition to more detail.
2. I had more of a sense of bass sounds vibrating through my listening chair and body with the X0.2.
3. Piano notes were more percussive with more overtones and natural decay.
4. Stringed instruments had more overtones, weight, and fluidity.
5. While there was not a 2X price/performance correlation for the X0.2's improvements in detail and clarity over the X1, I did realize a spectacular improvement in soundstage 3-dimensionality and weight. I also gained a little more soundstage width and depth. The width of the soundstage increased about a foot (sometimes more, depending on the recording) on each side and the depth increased about three feet. Also, the weight and solidity of images at the outer edges and rear of the soundstage increased dramatically. This difference in soundstage rendering was even more apparent when listening to my analog source. If I had different and/or smaller speakers and listening preferences, I probably would not have been as impressed with the X0.2's spatial rendering qualities. I believe that I received my 2X money's worth in the X0.2's soundstaging and imaging properties alone, therefore I am very happy.:D:D:D:D:D
My euphoria over the X0.2 notwithstanding, I was still very reluctant to trade in my X1, even though I had no immediate use for it. I let it sit on my dining room table for a few days while I stared at it and tried to rationalize keeping it. Eventually, it was shipped back to the dealer. My self-imposed rule against hoarding gear sometimes extracts a heavy emotional toll. However, it didn't make sense to have that much cash tied up in my audio closet when it could be put to better use in my cable upgrade fund [footnote 2].:)
Conclusion
My two channel upgrade project, which began in 2003, is nearing completion [footnote 3]. I have a few more cables to evaluate and I have to construct an AI-1 non-common ground interface so that I can evaluate a couple of power amps I'm interested in. I have already requested a quote from Avel-Lindberg for a custom toroidal transformer with the specifications given by Matthew Polk. I expect to have the AI-1 project completed by the end of this month. With regard to cables and amps, I am not so sure that I will be able to find "better" for (what I consider to be) a reasonable amount of money. I know I can always find something "different". One of the power amps I am considering, the Pass Labs X600.5, does some things better than the JC 1's, but it also comes with some inconveniences and performance tradeoffs...but that is a subject for another thread.

Figure 4. The X0.2 made it home in time for the holidays. Such Good Sound.
Footnotes
[1] MSRP of the X0.2 is $10,000. MSRP of the X1 is $5995. Mint condition used units typically sell for 50% of MSRP.
[2] Cable evaluations are an ongoing thing with me. Sort of like a hobby within a hobby.:)
[3] Product research and evaluation began in January of 2003. Hardware acquisition began in July of 2006.
Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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Comments
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Gorges... I love your setups, so clean. I wanna hear em!Terps Swimming!
HT Setup
TV: Vizio VX32L
Reciever: Pioneer VSX-D914
HD-DVD Player: Toshiba HD-A2
Fronts: Polk R50s
Surounds: Polk R30s
Center: Polk R20's
Subwoofer: SVS 20-39PCi
2CH Setup
Integrated: Onix SP3 Tube
CD Player: Sony CDP-CX355
Speakers: Onix Strata Mini in PR Finish
Signal Cable: Classic Speaker, Analog 1 IC
Headphones
Grado SR 60, Bang & Olufsen A8, Shure e3
Other Stuff in Use
Onix xls, Dual Onix x-subs, Onix Ref .5, Dahlquist M903, Teac A-1D, Marantz 1060 -
Excellent review, as usual and very great eye candy!
As far as your reluctance to part with X1 I know how you feel. Since I've obtained the Tri Vista 300, I have my Spectral DMC 10G sitting in the rack with its outboard power supply sitting there and I keep staring at it. I've had this awesome piece of gear for 25 years and recently had it refurbished and can't seem to part with it.
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hearingimpared wrote: »Excellent review, as usual and very great eye candy!
The pictures are always so crisp. Do you have any photography background? Whats the secret?Terps Swimming!
HT Setup
TV: Vizio VX32L
Reciever: Pioneer VSX-D914
HD-DVD Player: Toshiba HD-A2
Fronts: Polk R50s
Surounds: Polk R30s
Center: Polk R20's
Subwoofer: SVS 20-39PCi
2CH Setup
Integrated: Onix SP3 Tube
CD Player: Sony CDP-CX355
Speakers: Onix Strata Mini in PR Finish
Signal Cable: Classic Speaker, Analog 1 IC
Headphones
Grado SR 60, Bang & Olufsen A8, Shure e3
Other Stuff in Use
Onix xls, Dual Onix x-subs, Onix Ref .5, Dahlquist M903, Teac A-1D, Marantz 1060 -
Do you have any photography background?
Yes. Photography is one of my other hobbies.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
NICE! I think I have a chubby.
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hearingimpared wrote: »Why, because I asked to move in with him?:D:p
I don't know about you Joe, I saw you drinking a cup of coffee with your pinky finger out:
:eek::D Probably nothing...:D "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
pearsall001 wrote: »I don't know about you Joe, I saw you drinking a cup of coffee with your pinky finger out:
:eek::D Probably nothing...:D
Uhem, that is called class my friend something you could benefit by!
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those are real beauties.. enjoy!PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
Vancouver, Canada Sept 30th, 2012 - Madonna concert :cheesygrin: -
hearingimpared wrote: »Raife, can I move in with you?:D
Housing/displaying two audio/video gear collections would be a challenging logistical problem. Has anything like this ever been done?
Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Just like two people on the second marriage you combine the good stuff and then have a yard sale with the rest.:D
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So much for me "Keeping up with the Joneses"

Congrats Raifepolkaudio SRS (rdo194 x 8)
Dodd ELP (separate power supply)
JC 1 blocks ( strapped )
Rega Apollo
MIT (speaker cables) Outlaw (ICs)
polkaudio SDA2(rdo194x4) (front) polkaudio CRS (rdo194x4)(rear) polkaudio 400i (center)
B&K 505
Samsung LCD
VIP 622
HSU STF-2 -
That's a smoking pre-amp and it sounds even better than it looks.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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Great acquisition. I was considering the Pass Lab stuff when I was shopping for a used pre. Unfortunatly, it was still out of my price range. I really like the look too.:)
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Looking good Raife, congrats!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Absolutely gorgeous gear!! If they sound 1/2 as good as they look...well, need I say more. Congrats & enjoy!"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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hearingimpared wrote: »Why, because I asked to move in with him?:D:p
You audio **** you! I am just jealous. And Krell-Less.
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congrats, DK!I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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Time to resurrect a thread from the dead...
DK, I have a chance to grab this pre at a very good price, and was wondering what your long term perceptions have been and how these might pair with some high powered tube amps?The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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After over 4.5 years, my long term perception is that the X0.2 has been outstanding in every stereophonic performance aspect.
I can't offer any insight into how the X0.2 might work with your custom tube amps. I would email (or call) Wayne Colburn at Pass Labs with your amp specs and see what he advises.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Just the fact that the pre has remained in your rig for almost 5 years should be a testament to it's performance. Very nice DK, very nice.
John, if you can snag one for a good price, jump bro. You don't see these too often on the used market for a reason.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's







