Help on choosing a amp and subwoofer

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bobobob
bobobob Posts: 24
edited December 2007 in Car Audio & Electronics
Hello all,

In my 96 honda civic i'm running a Kenwood KDC-W6527 head unit, some 6x9's MMC690 in the back , and a set of DB6500 in the doors.
I use to have a 5-channel Hifonics zx8000 and a 10" Alpine type-r woofer, and since the last 2 got stolen i am looking for a new setup.

Now i'm looking for a new amp(s) and a subwoofer.

I know the speakers should get about a 100 watt each. And could someone recommend a good subwoofer. Looking for a nice clean sound. It doesnt have to be obnoxious loud, as long as i'm getting a precise, clean, and loud base i'm set. It probably going to be another 10" or even 8" to save some room in my trunk

Thanks for your help!
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited January 2007
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    http://www.polkaudio.com/caraudio/products/subs/10inch/
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  • bobobob
    bobobob Posts: 24
    edited January 2007
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    yes i was thinking about getting the db series but i can't find a shop overhere that hass them in stock.... soi don't know how they sound
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  • Polkemon
    Polkemon Posts: 144
    edited January 2007
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    I have heard the DB subs and they sound OUTSTANDING for the price. How much are you wanting to spend on amp/sub? This will help as to what would be good for your $'s.
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  • bobobob
    bobobob Posts: 24
    edited January 2007
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    Polkemon wrote:
    I have heard the DB subs and they sound OUTSTANDING for the price. How much are you wanting to spend on amp/sub? This will help as to what would be good for your $'s.
    Donny

    Well my last setup was a Hifonics zx8000 and a 10" Alpine type-r, i think that was about $750

    I am willing to spend that again since i'm leaning towards getting 2 amps now, i've read somewhere overhere that the mmc690 can even hold 200 watts rms. But finding an amp that produces 4x100+ AND a strong enough fifth channel for a sub is impossible.

    So i'm probably looking for 2 amps a 10" sub for around $750!
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  • 1996blackmax
    1996blackmax Posts: 2,436
    edited January 2007
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    bobobob wrote:
    And could someone recommend a good subwoofer. Looking for a nice clean sound. It doesnt have to be obnoxious loud, as long as i'm getting a precise, clean, and loud base i'm set. It probably going to be another 10" or even 8" to save some room in my trunk

    Thanks for your help!


    The Soundsplinter RL-i10 sounds like what you are after. I owned one of these in the past and was very satisfied with both the SQ and output that it provided. For that price, I don't think that you'll find anything comparable.

    RL-i10:
    http://www.soundsplinter.com/rli_ignition_series_8_inch_and_10_inch_diy_subwoofer_drivers.html

    http://www.soundsplinter.com/rli_series/rli_10_inch_DIY_car_and_home_subwoofer_driver_information.html
    Alpine: CDA-7949
    Alpine: PXA-H600
    Alpine: CHA-S624, KCA-420i, KCA-410C
    Rainbow: CS 265 Profi Phase Plug / SL 165
    ARC Audio: 4150-XXK / 1500v1-XXK
    JL Audio: 10W6v2 (x2)
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  • bobobob
    bobobob Posts: 24
    edited January 2007
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    1996blackmax, those subs look great and ive read great things about it. Only problem for me is that i'm from europe, and shipping on a sub would probably cost as much the woofer itself....

    did you ever heard a Alpine type-r and the RL-i10 ??
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  • 1996blackmax
    1996blackmax Posts: 2,436
    edited January 2007
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    I've heard the Type-R's, but in a different setup.


    I've heard good things about Rainbow subs, and I know you guys have those over there :). I do not know how they compare to the Type-R's price wise though. Might be worth listeting to them.

    Why don't you want to go with the Alpine sub again? I am assuming you liked them.
    Alpine: CDA-7949
    Alpine: PXA-H600
    Alpine: CHA-S624, KCA-420i, KCA-410C
    Rainbow: CS 265 Profi Phase Plug / SL 165
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  • bobobob
    bobobob Posts: 24
    edited January 2007
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    yeah i really liked the alpine, but wanted to try something else....

    who makes the rainbow subs?
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited January 2007
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    bobobob wrote:
    who makes the rainbow subs?

    Raindow.

    But do you really want a panzy name like Rainbow. I mean, only a real girlie man would run Rainbow speakers.







    :p:D
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  • Bill Ayotte
    Bill Ayotte Posts: 1,860
    edited January 2007
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    Those subs sound mighty not straight:D
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  • 1996blackmax
    1996blackmax Posts: 2,436
    edited January 2007
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    Well, if you guys do not enjoy listening to music that is produced faithfully, these products may not be for you .........;)
    Alpine: CDA-7949
    Alpine: PXA-H600
    Alpine: CHA-S624, KCA-420i, KCA-410C
    Rainbow: CS 265 Profi Phase Plug / SL 165
    ARC Audio: 4150-XXK / 1500v1-XXK
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  • 1996blackmax
    1996blackmax Posts: 2,436
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    bobobob wrote:
    yeah i really liked the alpine, but wanted to try something else....

    who makes the rainbow subs?


    These guys make very high quality products. I am very happy with my German handmade speakers.... have tested very well in Europe and can hang with speakers costing much more.


    Here is their site.....

    http://car.rainbow-audio.de/home/home.php?lan=2


    http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products/introduction.php?lan=2&pro=2
    Alpine: CDA-7949
    Alpine: PXA-H600
    Alpine: CHA-S624, KCA-420i, KCA-410C
    Rainbow: CS 265 Profi Phase Plug / SL 165
    ARC Audio: 4150-XXK / 1500v1-XXK
    JL Audio: 10W6v2 (x2)
    KnuKonceptz
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  • bobobob
    bobobob Posts: 24
    edited January 2007
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    ok, thanks.... i'll have a look see
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  • bobobob
    bobobob Posts: 24
    edited January 2007
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    does anyone has any advice on an amp? the mmc690 and the DB6500 are rated 100W rms so i was looking for a amp with at least 100w p/c @ 4 ohm.. @ 4 channels

    the Polk C400.4 is rated at 75 w p/c but i've read a lot of reviews that it is way underestimated, is this so??
    And how about the mmc690 crossovers, i dont need these anymore??
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  • deepinya
    deepinya Posts: 199
    edited January 2007
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    Polk gives you a birth sheet of the actual RMS since the 75w is a conservative number. Mine said 94w per channel.
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  • bobobob
    bobobob Posts: 24
    edited January 2007
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    hmm ok, that would be good enough, since my last amp gave 55w p/c this would be a big improvement

    so these would work with the mentioned speakers right (RMS 100w)?
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited January 2007
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    The 400.4 would be a great match for those speakers.
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  • bobobob
    bobobob Posts: 24
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    ok, so the 400.4 it will be for the speakers. I'm also thinking about getting the 500.1 for a sub, since those two would look great together.

    Now i'm just thinking about which sub to go with..... Alpine type-r, a Soundsplinter, or a Polk :confused:

    I can listen to a Alpine and a Polk in a shop probably but not the soundsplinter.....Does anyone has some more info about these?

    Oh well have to wait a while for the pay check any way, got mail from the insurance company today that they wont give me money for my stolen amp and sub because i never let them know i had these....:o

    And also i was thinking about purchasing the amps at www.sonicelectronix.com, does anybody know if this is a reputable company? Since i'm in europe and only for the 400.4 the asking price is $657.-
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  • bobobob
    bobobob Posts: 24
    edited September 2007
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    Ok to bring this back up, i'm still in the market for another amp. The polk
    c400.4 is just a little to pricey over here. And some online shops in the US which i emailed do not ship to europe because of the agreement they signed with polk.

    Are there any (affordable $300.-) amps out there that put at least 4x100 watt rms?
    Recently a audio store has opened close to me who has brands like Power Acoustik, Boschmann, Earthquake, Soundstream,
    some of these brands sound kinda familiar, is there anybody here who has some real experience with some of these brands?
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  • eloplayspolo
    eloplayspolo Posts: 1,117
    edited September 2007
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    does cardomain not ship to europe? if not do u have somone u can trust that they can ship to in the US and then have that person ship it to u in europe?
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  • bobobob
    bobobob Posts: 24
    edited September 2007
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    eloplayspolo wrote: »
    does cardomain not ship to europe? if not do u have somone u can trust that they can ship to in the US and then have that person ship it to u in europe?

    yeah that was my second option, just shipping it to a friend of mine in the states, and let him ship it to me...

    Anyone have some experience with the brands mentioned above?
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  • JoshParsons84
    JoshParsons84 Posts: 565
    edited December 2007
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    What about MB Quart? I have some MB Quart Q-Series components on layaway and I'm also looking for an SQ sub, but will also need a nice sub amp. Not too worried about the amp right this minute, but wanting a nice SQ sub that will put out some nice deep bass if the situation calls for it.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited December 2007
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    While I love MB Quart speakers, I never was a big fan of their subs.
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  • cam5860
    cam5860 Posts: 632
    edited December 2007
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    Theres only a few companies that make all products lines top notch. For instance alpine and pioneer have solid product lines. But take a company like polk while I have always be a fan of the way there full range speakers sound. I have never been sold on the subwoofers they are weak will not hold up and don't get that loud. They have sorry xmax always have and the spiders come apart on the momo's after 6 months of use.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited December 2007
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    Well mine is 3 years old and has been working just fine. Itll reproduce the 18 Hz note on the IASCA disc with authority all day long. And nothing has ever come apart on it despite the fact that the amp Im using is slightly more powerful than its rated for.

    Polk subs are excellent.
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  • eloplayspolo
    eloplayspolo Posts: 1,117
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    to say that pioneer is all good stuff is a joke... their low end stuff is a joke in itself.
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  • cam5860
    cam5860 Posts: 632
    edited December 2007
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    I don't see any negative reviews on pioneers 60 dollar subwoofer over at crutchfield. Besides what I was saying is companys capable of making top notch stuff across all lines.

    Now Mac don't get me wrong polk subs sound good they have good sound quality at moderate levels but polk subs cannot stand to be pushed very hard. They work good for you because you are a heavy metal guy.
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  • JoshParsons84
    JoshParsons84 Posts: 565
    edited December 2007
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    Hey I am a heavy metal guy myself. Maybe I should be looking into Polk for my SQ subs as well?
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited December 2007
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    Polk subs do well for what theyre designed to do. Theyre designed to provide good SQ, theyre not designed to get loud.

    What youre saying is comparable to saying, a Honda Civic isnt great because they cant tow a trailer...well no ****, theyre not designed to...
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  • JoshParsons84
    JoshParsons84 Posts: 565
    edited December 2007
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    Well I'm wanting a really great SQ sub but can also get very loud if it wants to.
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